you guys shoot this one?

http://static.crakmembers.com/fhg/si...alleries/2.jpg

This should have been deleted long time ago.

when we started the program the content director in place had no clear directions and stance over the content he used..and got replaced for that reason... after that we hired jason (corrupted here) and he did a massive clean up and spent a fortune to clean the content, shoot and buy exclusive and non exclusive content.

please jman verify that we have no trace of this shit anywhere anymore, this should have been deleted long time ago.

We are working hard to get to a point where we will be able to convert as good as other programs filled with jailbait and scraped content... we decided to take the hard road.. and we will succeed.

be patient , work with us and we will make sure we can all make tons of legit sales while working with content producers and legit amateur selling us their content.

I have an emo site too.
I sent 15k visitors to crakcash via plug (900 join submits, 0 sales :mad:)
amakings 1:3000 still (last year: 1:600)

All ratios have been dropped since half way October 2011. I promote same niches (also a bit Amakings) and all my sponsors have been hit. I now have days of 1:10.000 (yesterday) and this situation is just insane. I hope it's the combination of the time of the year + Euro disaster + Economy and that this will change quickly into the right direction!

Yes! Another person that had the same problem as me! I was having a shitload of join submits and no sales with CrakCash...I emailed them asking them what the problem is and never heard back until a random email 1 month later that said something about using other content to promote their websites and that can cause charge backs? I've never had a charge back with them and have only made 2 sales...the only blog I promoted CrakCash with used ALL CrakCash FHGs lol so what the hell? Their rep must have been smoking some good shit. I responded back and they never replied to that email. I haven't gotten a very good impression of them so far.

Situation does not clear up: 1:13061 today... can you believe that? niche: amateur + girlfriends.

mature/milf is slightly better: 1:1653...

One of the amateur programs that I am pushing since 2005-2006 and that makes me on average 10 new sales per day makes me now 3 new sales... in 4 days...
WTF is going on in adult???

1:13,061

damn that sucks man

I did okay with AMAkings once upon a time. Okay as in 1:1,4xx, but considering the traffic wasn't all that targeted I thought it was pretty good.

Not the case anymore though. Last time I was sending them traffic it was more like 1:7500.

and to be honest, I'm not sure it has to do with any specific ex GF-program. I just think the niche in general has run it's course.

It showed up EVERYWHERE, on every TGP, tube, adult theme'd mainstream site, etc. It will still convert but not like it did just one year ago.

what type of traffic do you have? tube/tgp/blog
?

I'd say 70% blog, 30% tube.

Yes this is exactly what I've noticed. The first half of Oct was great and then everything went to shit. Although that happened for a lot of things I promote so I figured it was an internet wide thing. My SE traffic also went WAY up recently but sales aren't changed or gotten worse.

Either way, there's no way these niches just tired themselves out suddenly like this. Something was changed.

What program or webmaster owns that???

yeah amakings have been really crap lately. have you been paid by GirlfriendTraffic? It looks promising

Just to back up Ama a bit:

http://hostones.com/temp/Roald/amakings.JPG

:2 cents:

Roald's screen capture is suppose to mean everything is okay ? ...
Well it's not okay for many of us ...

LOL ...
I would imagine sending 199513 unique hits like Roald they would be 1:750 ...
What about the rest of us ?

You're saying all other AMA sites are crap besides "Watch My Girlfriend" ?
So promoting those other AMA sites are to blame for the dramatic decrease in AMA sales ? ...
Is that what you're trying to say ?

They buying lots of traffic since september (exoclick im ads, popups on tubes etc.) --> ratios dropped.
http://traffic.alexa.com/graph?&w=40...=watchmygf.com

fair enough, but post stats for same period in 2010

So maarten, why don't you guys do anything about the stolen content??? Our dmca's get ignored...and I don't care to take additional action unless we have to.

Uniques / signups / ratio
257840 351 1:734

You ain't doing that bad with us as well for 2010 Eh :winkwink: Hit me up when you have a minute Roald please.

Nice of you to ignore the question, Maarten. But just in case you missed it, here it is again.

Wow, so you actually do business in adult and you're not just some creepy old guy? Or are you just acting?

Usually the more hits you send the lower (and more average) the ratio becomes. 1:750 for that amount of uniques would be very satisfactory, especially at this time of the year.

:1orglaugh @ your idiocy.

Marteen, you don't think the Refunds have something to do with the Pre Checked Cross Sales?

I just ran a report for my biggest sponsor in the AMATEUR/GIRLFRIENDS niche.
This is the one that I send the most traffic in this niche and so this is the most accurate way to see any trends. My traffic is very steady and has been about the same since I started promoting this sponsor at the end of 2009.

My average ratio for the whole year 2010 (12 full months): 1:705
My average ratio for the whole year 2011 (till 2011/OCT/27): 1:799

2011/OCT/01 till 2011/OCT/12: 58808 uniques: 92 signups + 43 rebills (12 days) ratio: 1:639

2011/OCT/13 till 2011/OCT/27: 76420 uniques: 31 signups + 32 rebills (15 days) ratio: 1:2465

As you can see the ratios between 2011/OCT/01 till 2011/OCT/12 were just better than ever before this year. Than 2011/OCT/13: the ratios dropped suddenly and I just don't know why.

If I should run a report for all my sponsors in this niche it should be even more dramatic.

Are those stats for ama or another program? Are you seeing the sudden ratio drop across multiple programs?

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

You did what all the other GF programs did. You start with hijacked, some underage, stolen content, and if you are smart enough you will restructure fast enough after you are making $30-50k a month to slowly become legit. Which you are "doing". This bullshit about blaming a content director is non-sense and insulting. In reality, you probably gathered content, made some money, then hired some grunt worker to gather content off boards and other gf programs for you and now you claim you had no idea what he was doing. Even though majority of your FHGs were stolen content. Poor you. Now you are trying to make yourself sound like superheroes "taking the high road".

Let's all be honest here for a moment, your licensed content will NEVER convert anything near the real deal. Stolen REAL homemade content is a gold mine if you are the first to scrape it from the source and send it out by the masses to your affiliates in promo tools. That's how the GF game works. Be first to steal. Buy all the content you want, there are ZERO content producers out there that can produce real looking GF content. Period.

Seriously, all you broke dicks out there have to do is borrow $1k from your mother. Spend $750 on high risk visa fee with CCBill, get a decent server for $250 or less. Buy a few domains, gather as much stolen content as you can. Build simple amateur looking tours, get them approved by visa with your bullshit wordpress member's area which only takes 1-3 weeks. Build promo tools for each paysite you create. Spam the hell out of webmaster forums and get your FHGs in tgps. Get your stolen videos on tubes with your illegal watermark. Wait for a month or two and you will be sitting on a profit of $5-10k. Keep building up your member base and don't forget to ass fuck people on double pre-checked cross sales. Thats where the real money is btw. I would recommend making deals with other webmasters that buy xsells for $25-30 a pop, because chargebacks will be heavy and you don't want that. Throw up some banners in your members area to some dating sites and other GF sites, you will make another couple grand a month. Oh, and lastly, don't forget to remove content immediately, otherwise you will be tied up in a U.S. court system ( Even if you are outside the US ) because you posted a nasty pic of an underage girl that is now looking for you to pay for her $100k university tuition. After a year of thinking you can actually fight this lawsuit and spending $50,000 on a lawyers to file bullshit motions that only piss off the court, you will realize you have no chance and settle for six figures. Even though you thought your retarded idea of blaming the minimum wage "content director" would cover your stupid ass.

So long story short, go ahead and start a GF program, just hope that when you get sued the underage girl only wants money and does not file criminal charges as well.

P.S. Keep up the good work Niktamer, "covering" your ass with bullshit posts that do nothing but help you sleep a little better at night.

Begin bro club flaming now.

Sad but true, it is an AMATEUR niche after all.. unless you have some amazing actors (extremely rare in porn), you CAN NOT pull it off.

Great post BTW.

One question I have though: if these "stolen" videos or pictures really are submitted by people, then who does it belong to? Obviously the sponsor doesn't have 2257 docs but if a couple really did submit their video/pics then what is the problem with using it for promotion and members areas if the people want it on the site?

I get a LOT of submitted gf pics often submitted by the girl herself, and I know they are really submitted by her because I also often get removal requests from the girl explaining "I've changed my mind and no longer want these posted on the internet", of course I remove them ASAP, but what is the problem with allowing her to post her nude pics on my website?

95% of the GF content that you see have been posted originally to adult forums such as phun.org, or 4chan, and a few others. In reality, the problem exists because the males post these photos on the internet with or without the other parties ( Girlfriend ) knowledge. Legally, if both the parties are over the legal age, the photos are owned by the person that took the photos. It is that person's responsibility to keep them private, or to have legal 2257 docs in place by all bare ass naked people involved. If they distribute or sell these photos, they need to provide these 2257 docs to the secondary producer because they will be distributing them to their surfers as well.

The problem is, 99% of these people are not willing to give up their scanned IDs and signed documents. So there is no way to tell they are of legal age or not. Basically, if you refuse to comply with 2257, you better be able to show and prove that you have at least some type of excellent process involved for accepting submitted content. If you are accepting anything that comes your way, without verifying content, you will be PERSONALLY liable ( Even if you think you are covered by your corp as a director, the judge will pierce the corporate veil in an instant to get to the bottom of the case, meaning you are fucked. ) for your actions of harming an underage person. However, you may get lucky if you have some type of verification system in place ( Even if it does not comply with 2257 ) showing that somebody else uploaded the content to your automatic system and you were not involved ( Think facebook type community ) then you may get a lenient judge to agree with you that you are not liable. My assumption though, is that you would still have to pay some type of penalty for not complying with 2257, but you may be safe on the distributing CP charges.

I specifically said the males post these photos, and thats true 95% of the time. Some of you may ask "what about self shot pics?". They obviously sent these photos to their boyfriends, and not to the whole world. The asshole boyfriends then uploaded them around the web and to their friends.

Fuck, if Roald is only doing 1:743 the rest of us should just hang it up. :1orglaugh

WatchMyGF does great for us. Added last night and instantly some cash, even without tons of uniques :-)

Thumbs for Amakings

On a daily basis we receive tons of user submitted photographs ... Our submission guidelines require a electronically submitted photo ID prior to any image being posted ...

We've also become somewhat skeptical of scanned IDs ... Over the years we have had three legal issues with women stating they never scanned their ID let alone submitting compromising photographs of themselves ...
Upon the woman's investigation the sources always turned out to be either a disgruntled boyfriend.. husband.. and even their girlfriends ...
If possible.. request a self shot of the woman holding her ID ...

Do not delete any emails as for they contain vital information of the sender in the event legal action takes place ...

That percentage is a little high ... Offer cash incentives by way of contests.. girl of the month.. couple of the month including purchasing photo sets and videos and watch that submitted ID percentage drop to 40% ...

In this day and age money talks and if you're searching for unique amateur content this is the only way go ...

Great posting btw Zoxxa ... You gave me some ideas ... :)

No, my stats are for another program but it is in the same niche as AMA.
I am sending some traffic to AMA too but it is just a little bit. My overall ratio with AMA is arround 1:1500 but it is with a very small amount of traffic. You can see the trends better as you send a whole lot of traffic.

I have seen a drop for other programs too. Also in other niches. The first 12 days of October were just amazing good and the rest of October is really shit. There are some days (like yesterday) with good sales but most of the days after the 13th were just really bad.

looks like you got it all figured out :Oh crap

We are 100% legit, all docs & IDs are there, never stole content.


http://www.madporn.org/free-pics/Ang...madporn-03.jpg


http://www.madporn.org/free-pics/los...madporn-05.jpg

Why complain when Homegrown can solve the problem?
 

I see these complaints about ratios and stolen content, even worse - underage content scraped from wherever - and I just want to freaking scream.

WHAT THE FUCKING FUCKITY FUCK FUCK FUCK!!!

If you value your business, care about not ripping off content, care about PROTECTING MINORS forchristsakes, then maybe it is high time you figured out what kind of company we are and why we have been around so long... and continue to convert.

Always been legal. Always been the real deal user submitted content. In fact - we have the distinction of being the FIRST company to collect authentic homemade videos and pics... And always have policed our content so that our affiliates and licensors have never, ever been put at risk. /rant

Stop fucking fuckity fuck fuck fucking around...

I second this, Revenge Bucks has some awesome content, rebills are crazy, and they pay on time...now I just gotta make some more blogs to send em more traffic!

Yes I do.

The GF sponsor in your sig ( http://www.girlfriendtraffic.com/ ) has the rights to these Dirty Daisy photos?

http://ultra5.com/1.jpg

http://ultra5.com/2.jpg


Her site: http://dirtydaisy.com/


Thats a small example, I can see dozens of pics that have been used on almost every GF site in the past 4 years on those tours.

You guys are excellent, and one of the rare few cases that actually follow the law.
I assume you have large issues with many of these GF sites stealing your content all the time.

Amakings, we need to talk, about these chargebacks/refunds, it's really kinda outta control :(

Can't help but laugh at the guys getting burned by excessive chargebacks and refunds after they pushed sites that are well known for being 100% full of stolen content.

It's called Karma, and it's usually a bitch. :2 cents:

$ CAD 0.95 for 1 day(s) will upgrade at $ CAD 38.95 after 1 day(s) if not cancelled and then recur at $ CAD 38.95 every 1 month(s) until cancelled.

** for just $ CAD 0.95 for 2 day(s) then recurring at $ CAD 38.95 every 1 month(s)
*** for just $ CAD 0.95 for 2 day(s) then recurring at $ CAD 36.95 every 1 month(s)

wonder why?

Your input is valuable but if a sponsor were to start messing with affiliates in most cases you guys would be one of the last ones they'd screw with because you have volume and are high profile. It might not be the same for a smaller affiliate who sends 1/1000th of the traffic you guys do. I've long since suspected that some of the more shady players like to shave many of the little guys because it's harder for them to detect and they have less clout to do anything about it.

This is true. If someone screws someone else then odds are soon enough you'll be next if you aren't already being screwed by them already without realizing it. It's always been this way. Either someone is honest or they're not. There's very little in between when it comes to this business and affiliate programs.

It's funny though actually, how these content guys like to fire away at gf sites...... about "stolen content" when their content are not even stolen LOL

.... the gf sites, true amateur stuff is much better content than any real content providers studio stuff

they are angry cuz they cant convert as well anymore and the gfs sites are (were) in prime time

but anyways...

ps, i dont mean to defend gf sites, i dont think they are totally right either

but just funny how ppl (mostly content ppl) take aim at them, take cheap shots at them, when they never even intend to use ANY of their contents, and if they do, usually by accident and they'll be more than happy to remove

wanna take aim at anyone, tubes/torrents, they aim to steal EVERYONES contents

really now?