We have not had much success in promoting many programs other than ours, we did try AMA as well as others but with not much luck, possibly our traffic is not condusive to their taste, we can't coment on many other programs as we have never done well promoting others for some reason.....we make a very decent living but since May our programs have had a major sudden increase in sales, not doing anything different at all but the sales have closer to doubled, Sept was not that great but Oct was back to what it was prior, Nov is great so hope it carries on, we don't rely on affiliates as we do produce 95% of our own traffic and we are doing more sales than we did in 1993 which was a great year....let's hope it continues, 2011 could be our best year yet........here is hoping.......

You drunk and trolling tonight? You and I have discussed this before and you said then than you know many of these sites steal their content. Now you say it's not stolen? Ahhhh... you want your refunds and CBs taken care of. I get it now. :thumbsup

Besides the fact that I know a guy who is paid a salary to steal content for them, I'll also pretend their content is not stolen and hope that it helps everyone get paid, so they can do it all over again.

Huh? I have no idea what you are talking about. I do know that, most of the active bigger gf sites do not aim to steal any of your studio produced contents, aiming more to rip real amateur stuff that none of the people here at GFY own.

ALSO, I do know that they (and even me too) get tons of real submitted contents too.

There have been many threads and attacks on gf sites for using an image, here and there that is owned by content producers, and they usually take them offline VERY quickly, 99% of the time

Do you require two forms of ID?
Do you require a photo of them holding the IDs?
Do you have a signed model release from each participate?

Thats good to know that you stand behind people that are stealing and spreading content that is partially underage and appealing to pedophiles. If they were stealing from content producers, at least then they could show a judge that they knew the girl's were of legal age.

Before we get too deep into this "argument", it is probably only fair that you know I was one of the first to create a GF empire ( Over 2 million surfers a day ) and establish the business model it has taken today in this industry. I currently have nothing to do with it, and I am only participating in this thread as a warning to others. I guarantee jail time is coming soon to some of you, I absolutely fucking guarantee it. That applies to you affiliates as well that pretend "I Knew Nothing!!!" :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

It's all fun and glorious until a much larger competitor with connections fucks your whole life.

Keep pushing Amakings and pretending you are on the "good side" of this argument, and see where it gets you. Good luck.

Just to be dead serious for a moment, we all joke around a lot around here. A lot of idiots around here make excuses for GF programs and sites because they are converting better than normal paysites. I sincerely hope that at least one person has read what I have typed and realizes that life gets dead serious really fast when you get served with a distributing child pornography lawsuit worth twice as much as your house. That is of course, if you aren't arrested first up on criminal charges. Let's see how much you support these programs after that happens.

i agree. and funny how the program owners push that off onto the affiliates.

i'm not taking any side btw,
so you have that part mistaken

I just think it's funny how some content producers take aim at gf sites, when they aren't usually the ones even stealing from them

Yes, AMA steals and they pay Filipinos to steal it for them.

Sure, some get submissions AFTER THEY OPEN. Not before.

That said, not ALL of the GF sites steal. But most of them do.

I send several DMCAs a week JUST to GF sites. They steal from everyone.

The do what they have to do, and I accept that, but lets all just be honest about what it is and call it as it is. No need to try to cover for them. I'm not even mad at them, but I'm not going to blow smoke up anyone's ass and pretend it's not happening.