It's not the tenderness I'm writing about. It's the passion. What ever the category a buyer wants to believe in it.

And people who think they can recreate that by using the same camera or cell phone the husband would use. Are showing they haven't got a clue. A bad scene shot on a cell phone by a stranger without a clue doesn't transform it into great porn. Well only in the eyes on the people pushing it to consumers.

Fabian is clueless about porn. He's a programmer and little more. his porn knowledge is limited. His prejudices are limitless. I shot for him a decent scene for a man whose condition is clear from Reggies documentary. Yet Fabian goes by what people n GFY think. Yes Pornjew, Warchild and other assorted idiots are his guide to good and bad porn. :upsidedow

His editor is clearly someone who can use an editing program. Nothing more and nothing less. To cut out the beginning and end of the scene proves that. The instruction I received to shoot the scene were lacking in so many ways it's sad. But he has a lot of traffic to waste and sell cheaply. So his porn knowledge has to be great.

And there is partly the reason for the poor conversions and retention figures. People look at a site and sponsor and judge his success on his ability to throw a lot of traffic at it. Let Fabian deal with that side, let a pornographer deal with the porn side. The two jobs have no similar skills.

Solution = Don't produce pulp porn at cut prices.

The skill required to shoot good porn and to get models to do good scenes doesn't come at cut price rates.

Funny how your posts continually rely on the incredibly misguided idea that everyone (an entire industry in fact) is doing it wrong... and the only right way is to pay someone like you much more to do it YOUR way.

Of course, if you were right about anything, people would be doing that already... but they're not.

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Maybe you need to read my post again? It seems a few people agree with me, maybe you read it wrong.

Your video seemed fine to me, not my niche, but it looked fine to me. No matter how good it is, if it's not my niche, I wont buy it.

I see a few of the top videos on that site have higher views/votes, and some really really really shitty porn.... like the fake plastic big dicks or girls eating a gallon of cum from 20 guys, not so real, yet ranked higher than yours.

I'm sure the surfer thinks max hardcore is real, but that doesn't mean everyone buys it. Real or not, I find it to be total trash - yet respect it because someone buys it.

The reality is, you're wrong... people like every niche, flavor, good, bad, real, fake, mixed with every niche in the world - not everyone wants it to seem real, some just want to see fucking, or sucking, or just the cum shots - and they don't give a rats fuck of the quality, story, or the rest of the porn or if it's real or not, they just like it because that's what they like.



I've seen you several times make the claims that my post said.... which is why it was quoted.

Stupidest post yet.

Conversions are shit. Terrible shit. The sites that break this mold are the good ones. Yes some very big people can do well by throwing millions of hits at a site.

The industry is shrinking by the day. Because fewer and fewer people have any reasons to sign up.

It only took online porn 10 years to kill the Goose that laid the Golden Egg. This is a success. If that was the aim.

If you think delivering a, generally, crappy product to a repeat buying customer is a way to keep him buying. You're more stupid than I thought. Now that's an achievement.

The history of online porn doing the stupidest of things to get rich quick is too long to post and if squealer doesn't know it, he's more stupid than I just downgraded him to. :1orglaugh

For once. Paul has an excellent point there.
Check out x-art. Slowplaying it, really loving it.
Not some whore screaming like she is the devil.

K paul. Good point this time.

OK I assumed it was the same old theme of posting the link thinking the scene was bad.

Agreed not everyone wants to see real people getting into some real sex, some want to see fake sex, they are happy to get off to any thing that meets their needs.

And they are spoilt for choice. Now the law of supply and demand kicks in. Just one example.

If every site achieves the same level, accept one who goes to the next one up. That one site converts better, retains longer and makes more money for it's owners and affiliates. The examples of this are there and we all know them. In all niches.

Today so many sites don't achieve this and the surfers know it and very wary. No matter how much "marketing" is applied it all counts for nothing once the CC is approved. Then retention or a CB s on the content's shoulders.

It's not that only my way works. So much as the other way is saturated to death. Because producing a porn scene with real emotions comes at a higher price than churning out pulp porn for a low price. And so many have done it. To death!!!! :winkwink:

Thank you.

Put simply here's the foot notes.

Simple things can be done by 1,000s and they will do it. So selling it is very competitive with a low return.

Hard things can be done by a few and they charge more for their skills. Selling it shod be easier, because it's less competitive.

Of course you can argue that Brazzers makes more in a minute than I made in a lifetime. Empty argument. How much more could that of made by having something less generic and more special?

Would adding 2 great scenes a day of retained better than adding 3 not so good ones?

Would the extra retention of paid for 3 great scenes?

Producing a scene, what ever niche, style, theme, style or any other excuse you need. That has real appeal and draws people to want more ofthat work. Is tough and simply can't be done for 3 scenes at $2,000. Or BG for fr $2,000.

It needs more than money. It has to have people in charge of the product production who know what they're doing.

Would you put me in charge of programming? No, of course not.

So why have a programmer in charge of product production? Why does a programmer or traffic man or so many people who have never shot porn, think all it takes is a camera and naked people?

why did i click another horrible Paul Markham thread... :disgust

Nah my point would be more - every song gets overplayed if you hear it too much. Pulp porn would do for me when I was a porn rookie and porn was scarce, but I am not even interested to play a second of it anymore even I can get it for free.

For me for example - I like the kind of Vivid, Wicked movies from the 90's etc. because you had your stars and there was more chemistry. I assume they knew each other well and could actually enjoy sex in front of the cam.

But you'll find thousands of people who'll tell you it's too "old" for them. And you'll for sure find millions of people who enjoy exactly that fake porn that I can't stand.

So at the end of the day the only thing you can do is to bet on something you do well, market the hell out of it and hope it works out, product stand alone won't do anything to your bottom line unless you can effectively target its audience.

If I could own all the huge tube sites and a great portion of porn traffic I'd try to gather as many preferences as possible, see what gets the most loyal return visitors, most bookmarks etc. and target it as precisely as possible.

Quantity might not be the answer anymore on the super oversaturated market, you gotta segment and target.

I don't think anyone would really disagree with Paul that this kind of stuff can sell. I have seen it sell, and sell well. Couples especially love this kind of shit. The problem is, the other stuff? The stuff that some of us may find crude and offensive? The niches that we think sound borderline ridiculous? The stuff some of us have never even heard of? That sells to.

This is a wide market. Saying you make and sell porn is like saying you make and sell dessert--lots of variety in types.

OK nearly there. Yes there was a lot more "enjoyment" in performing in porn scenes in the 90s. Today's models don't seem to have the same sense of fun, unless they are very new and encouraged to be enthusiastic.

The style can be 2011 or even 2021. Still needs that same sense of enjoyment to be generated to make the scene stand out.

Yes Glen it can be crude and offensive, it can be extreme or soft, solo of gang bang, "Valley Porn" or reality, teen, MILF or Granny, straight or gay, BDSM or feather tickling. The buyer wants to see the enjoyment in the scene. Or the not enjoying it in an abuse scene. Unless it's the abuser.

Please people I'm not talking about any particular niche. theme, style or camera. I'm talking about a model getting right into what she's or he's doing. Stop trying to pigeon hole the thread.

It's about generating the passion of the sex scene. Which is all I saw in the scene in Original Post I made. To be honest it's not very "HQ" or clever. Accept he made 2 girls make love and let them get on with it. Bit slow but it can be cut or faster. The 2 girl boy scene had the same passion. I just let 2 horny girls fuck a nice guy and filmed it.

http://xhamster.com/movies/265560/pa...threesome.html

No spitting on cocks, useless porn phrases, just good old fucking, licking and kissing. :thumbsup

It's easy to shoot. In any niche, style or theme.

More nonsense. I am sure you just write any old bollocks that comes into your head because you have some need to be the center of attention. Why you look for it here and not in your home is a puzzle, but very sad.

To address the point,

What you want is good action shot well.

The clip you posted is OK but lacking in any real ideas, and is not well lit, shot or edited.

You think shooting video is easy, but you have failed to do it. You have never read a book about, never studied it, never done it.

You do not shoot in shots to be edited into sequences.

You think it is about making the model work, and you demonstrated that by the scam you did here on this board with Nathan. You took $3000 made the model do all the work for $500 and kept $2500 for doing fuck all. No idea, no plot, no set, no sexy clothing, no lighting, no shots, no sequences, no editing, no ideas, no chemistry, no atmosphere, nothing, nada, nic zero... You added no value at all

Proving the exact opposite to what you rant on about here, why waste money on a shooter when the result is worse than amateur?

OK let's test our porn's popularity.

You put up one of your scenes on a Tube and I'll put one of mine. We'll see who get the best votes.

Your problem, which is why you have no budget to shoot with, is not many people want to buy what you make. Something if I had suffered from, I would of been out of porn 33 years ago. So take all your books and stuff them up your ass. Because they will soak up some of your shit. :1orglaugh

If you look at Cherry's movies you can see what I'm saying is right. His stuff lacks any passion, warmth, emotion. Models clearly not sure what it is they are doing, being stopped and started all the time, so he can get his cuts in. And he's one of these amateurs who loves to bore the pants off a girl trying to impress them with how clever he is.

Problem doing that with a girl who has worked with some of the best is. They know he's talking bullshit. And laugh at him behind his back to old friends when they meet up for a coffee in Brno. :1orglaugh

Seriously some of the CZ girls you shot, do you know who they have worked for over the last 5-6 years? Guys who really know what they're doing and have the kit to show they are really in the business. Don't you think they can't spot an amateur a mile off?

Not his problem, he's just doing what 99% of amateurs do. Now run along, because you make the same mistakes here. You fool no one of any value. We see you for what you are.

Yes Paul, we all get it. The only porn is your porn and your porn is expensive.

We also get that you understand paysite sales and conversions since you've made 3 sales in the last 10 years and 2 of those somehow occurred with broken join links. I'm sure you're converting at 1:1. Don't worry about posting stats, we'll just trust you because you say you're an expert.

We all know that according to you, great content is everything and you are sitting on terabytes of great content that you can't monetize even though you like to preach about how to monetize content. Quite the conundrum.

We all know you know more about paysites than all the successful people running paysites and we all know that you understand everyone is doing it wrong... even though you've never done it successfully.

We all know that there is only one taste in content, one way to shoot content, one niche of content and that surfers only prefer how you do things which is why you are living on government pensions and not your content sales.

Traffic is easy. Content is king. You have no traffic and can't sell your content. Hmmm....

We also know you're expensive. You love telling us that. You also have put yourself out of business and ultimately failed.

We understand its hard for you to reconcile the fact that you want huge amounts of money to shoot "good content" and no one comes to you anymore for it. Obviously, the only conclusion is that people pay for crap. Otherwise, what other conclusion could there be? Clearly people aren't supplying what the market demands - because you said so.


Paul, you're a dinosaur.

Business is about supply and demand.

There is no longer a demand for your supply.

Get over it.

Get over yourself.

this is some kind of real life porn, so it's popular, and everybody likes it...

Damn, talk about summary of the year.

One thing I absolutely hate is that stupid played awkward phrases in all the american movies..

"oh yeah, fuck me baby" , "oh my god" , "ahaa, sssssssss, ahaa sssssss" - who the hell wants to listen to this retarded annoying shit? Fuck, no girl I ever had screamed such stupid words during sex.

Even more annoying is a music during the scene, shit do we want to see a music video clip? No, we want to see a sex scene, why the hell those idiots connect sex with music is beyond me.

Could it be that we have seen girls dancing?

I have also seen more sexy music videos that porn clips.

Music is very erotic.

In fact jazz was slang for fuck

i agree music during porn is corny as fuck and a total boner kill.

Could it be that out there somewhere is also a retired guy that scores music for 80's porn who is complaining incessantly that porn today doesnt convert because the music sucks - and argues that all music is wrong and that good porn music costs money and no one wants to pay for it anymore which is why the business changed so much. In between begging for money to feed his family and lecturing on porn music forums, he too is probably franticly banging out daily emails to pornhub, telling tem that they're doing it all wrong.... perpetually shaking his head in complete disbelief that no one is listening to him.

The key to success in that post.

broke + unable to sell content + unable to generate traffic = paul markham

= Porn made for virgins. :1orglaugh

True, unless what you're marketing is no better and no different than 100s of other sites.

Still when the CC gets approved. Marketing is over. 1, 2, 3 or 12 months relies on the shooters ability, not the marketing man's. Would you rather send traffic to a site that retains 3 months or one that retains 4 months? 50% rev share and all other things being equal. Which I know there not, still everyone gets the idea.

For the last 10 years I've been here, the same picture of a business model has been constant.

To spend top dollar on traffic. To devote as much time, energy, resources and thought to driving traffic to the door. Never cut corners in the marketing.

Cut prices on the product. Give as little as possible time, energy, resources and thought to the product. Getting 5 sets for the price of 4 is great. Always cut corners on the product.

Would any sponsor create a Dutch Auction on traffic?

Yet on the product this is the way it's done.

OK some do it differently and you all know them by their conversions and retention rates. It's the general business model.

Think of what that has cost you in sales.

Good music does not distract from erotic content.

Dance is very erotic. :2 cents:

Then you never fucked a porn model? When you fuck them they make the same noises as they do on a set. Well with me they did. Maybe that was because of me? Fat ugly boring dude with a small penis? :1orglaugh

GREAT THREAD PAUL!!!! AND NICE TO SEE PEOPLE TAKING YOU SERIOUSLY.

When i look at your avatar, its hard to imagine you ever fucked anyone that was conscious, not restrained or crying uncontrollably.

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http://i.imgur.com/URvC7.jpg

Old/new/shitty/good dvd content all niches. I don't give a damn if other people are doing 1:20,000 because I'm not them, why do you care about them so much Paul?

Take your amazing ideas and go put something together so you can blow our minds with your creativity and knowledge of internet porn sales. We will all promote it if it sells and you will become a millionaire (again).

..LMFAO? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

What the hell does normal dance have in common with a boy/girl fucking??

I know and like that clip and song, but why the hell do you compare Shakira TV clip to a retarded cheap porn music?

In a porn movie, we want to hear a lot of moaning, that nice sound of a wet pussy getting drilled , natural behaviour and not stupid tunes in the background!

FUCK I dont want to dance during masturbation! :321GFY

how true :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

If the music is spot on and adds to the mood, then fine. In most cases it's over loud, doesn't fit and not required. Maybe to cover up the poor sound from the scene.

Getting great live sound on a scene requires a sound technician with a mixing deck and a few mikes. This costs money.

You demonstrate your ignorance on more and more subjects.

God damn, guess I should throw out all my home movies since I didn't have a sound technician, mixing deck and a few mics. They're worthless! :1orglaugh

Paul is like an audiophile for porn.

Jesus christ, threads of Paul are like a bad tv show but you keep watching just to get annoyed and start talking shit all the way through. Paul you are the master of tedious and annoying repetitive threads. FUCK

Something like that.

Then opening them and reading them isn't very clever. Bumping them is sheer lunacy, because it gives me the opportunity to bump back.

Thanks Mate. :thumbsup

paul got banned