100 polls :Graucho

Me?

He appointed geithner to treasury, and in every other way stacked his cabinet with the people who caused the collapse, and who had no intention of doing anything to craft a new economy to replace the old one which failed, and is still failing, taking us into a deadend path into the future. They continued to strip the real wealth out of the country.

Every action he took was basically a continuation of republican policy that had already proved that it could not cope with the complexities of a global economy. As examples, the health care bill (a badly designed copy of a republican plan), the stimulus, the continued bailouts, the free pass given to wall street.

His stimulus was too small, poorly planned, poorly administered, and doomed to failure because it stimulated the wrong parts of the economy.

He took no action on things which might have made a difference, such as a push for science and technology infrastructure, education, and development.

He said he would be different - what he did was more of the same. He outdid Bush in every significant way.

He said he would leave the states to administer their own medical marijuana programs - the one breath of fresh air and freedom in four years of suffering - but is letting the IRS attack them thru the back door and quietly turning the dogs in Justice on them as a sop to the right.

He kept us in the pointless wars - until it's time for the election, then he pulls out of one.

I could go on and on - but most of what I would say I'd have to explain, because it's outside the dialectic of partisanship.

Like clinton, he's been a republican in everything but name. That's not what we need now, nostalgia and timidity, and being a pet of wall street, won't help us in a global economy. It only helps wall street, and they already have one foot out of the country.

And it feeds right into exactly the types of silly claims the right wing is expert at crafting. Obama was the right's wet dream - a white republican president in blackface, the perfect target for hate and prejudice, while actually doing every single thing the republicans wanted, and never once standing up to them like the leader we needed.

Like the idiot republicans say - hows that hopey/changey thing working out?

Presumably you are talking about teabagger candidates - thats the only example of revenge voting I can think of recently that might fit your description.

But yes, the point is to put real fuck bubbles in office. To initate shocks that have a chance of waking people out of the fever dream. Wake them before it's too late.

I agree, the republicans are vicious idiots without a plan, a clue, or balls; they are feeble minded lap doggies barking at the instruction of wall street. And they are betraying the country because they hate having a hahahahahaha republican in blackface in the white house.

Most of the republicans and teabaggers here at gfy couldn't have an original idea to save their lives - and they are too weak to see that all they do is parrot Murdoch propaganda.

Over the past four years I have described obama's betrayals many times, I'm tired of writing it out, but I did a few lines in another post here.

You are an asshole.

Some of you still don't get it.
Left/Right. Democrat/Republican, Two wings. Same stupid fucking bird....

Was Bush a failure in my view. Damn right he was.
Is Obama a failure in my view. Damn right he is.

They both are puppets of the guys that really run the show.
Is Obama what the Repubicans wanted?
No, I don't think so. McCain was who they wanted. But what difference is there between McCain and Obama besides skin color. They are both liberal progressives.

This coming election is going to be Romney vs. Obama if the media gets their way.
Which one you vote for doesn't really fucking matter.
They are both puppets of Wall Street bankers.

We are FUCKED!
Vote for someone that does NOT have their head stuck in the Wall Street slop trough.
Unless you have a personal vendetta against this country.
And in that case. you're welcome to GTFO

Maybe so, but I will take being an asshole over being a blind dumb fuck like yourself any day.

Are you still in the 14th grade?

You need to get yourself some knowledge so you do not continue to embarrass yourself.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/28/op...-campaign.html

You might not be able to understand this editorial so you might want to get a grown-up to help you with the big words.

Ummmm... let me get this straight. I said:

"Maybe so, but I will take being an asshole over being a blind dumb fuck like yourself any day."

And your reply was:

Boy, what a great retort. You sure put me in my place and embarrassed me. Clearly you are intellectually superior to me. I am humbled in your presence and stand corrected.

Oh, by the way dumbass- there is no such thing as "14th grade" imbecile.

Thank you for clarifying why you are an Obama supporter.

Holy... fucking... Christ.

Put down the crack pipe bro. Seriously-

Don't have the balls or are smart enough to know HE WOULD NEVER WIN?

I suspect the latter.

Obama only betrayed those that believed and voted for him. He did not betray me.

I support Ron Paul and his racist newsletters.

That would be fucking awesome.

http://www.sfmusicbox.com/wp-content...-munchkins.jpg

My first line, about not having the balls, is essentially a childish, tho rhetorically effective, taunt. I know the republicans won't nominate Paul, making this whole discussion essentially pointless and moot. But taunting them to nominate him has it's satisfactions.

And if they did nominate him it would, you must admit, be hilarious.

By definition obama only betrayed those who voted for him. He did everything the republicans wanted, so by definition he did not betray republican voters.

He did betray people like me.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

What has he specifically done that the Republicans wanted?

kept open gitmo, extended tax cuts, extended patriot act, caved on tax hikes for rich, let wall street banks off the hook, caved on elizabeth warren appointment.

Yup, and now he's onboard with WWIII... ummm, I mean, war with Iran, for no good fucking reason whatsoever.

Let's see how much more he can disappoint his progressive base during his second term...

Democrats also voted in favor of the things that you have mentioned...he had little choice in the matters.

what joshgirls said is good enough an answer I suppose - my immediate thought was that it's easier to name the few things he did the republicans did not want, like the personal banking and credit card regulations passed the first year. They were riddled with loopholes, and the regulations were written by wall street insiders, but, it was not republican.

If you have some favorite event or decision that you'd like to offer as a refutation of obama's essential republicanism, state it, I'll look at it.

My judgement is not based on one thing but on an ongoing series of capitulations. I can't think of a single time he stood on principle. Everything is political expediency and doing what wall street told him to do.

But, I am not a centrist, or a moderate, or a center-right safety-netter like the majority of democrat voters, I am a radical progressive with specific interests in science, technology, energy, futurism, and competing in the global economy.

For my interests, obama was a disaster, and I hate the fucker. No matter what happens, I will never put a mark next to his name on a ballot again. Nor will I give money to the democratic party, and I give a lot of money to political causes. Fuck them.

He had the choice of leading. He had the choice of standing up and saying - this is wrong.

He has been a follower, a pet of wall street and the corporations and monied families that are the power behind the democratic party, who are in no meaningful way better than the monied powers behind the republican party.

What you offer as a defense is actually a condemnation.

It means the dems are exactly the weak girly pussy party the republicans claim. They use that frame in their rhetoric very effectively.

We didn't need or want a pussy president. Especially following bush, whom the republican idiots thought was a tough guy, but who was actually a gigantic pussy; all hat, no cattle.

I think you need to repeat the 14th grade my friend :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

this thread proves america is doomed.

Many things prove america faces problems on a scale we've never seen or imagined before. We are well and truly fucked.

But your comment is unhelpful. You should demonstrate the courage of your convictions and say why you think this thread in particular proves anything.

obama being hard left? He is just another puppet, just like bush was. What really changed aside from some ignorable small things the people don't even notice in everyday life? Nothing, this administration is exactly the same as the administration when bush was their puppet. They keep on pushing the war -> power agenda and keep making personal freedoms for their own people smaller and smaller, doesn't really sound hard left to me. Don't forget, all of a sudden ghadaffi was an enemy, and had to be removed to have another country under control of US administration: this all happened under the so called 'left' obama. It's all the same.

This is funny - republican girl cries after reading lines about israel in a ron paul book.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/watch...for-christmas/

Apparently she gets really mad and sad reading that paul considers israel an 'apartheid state".

Crazy that there are such people, that reading such a thing is so offensive.

succesful brainwashing at work, exactly like the north koreans crying in rows when kim jong il died. This is exactly the same.

I wasn't sure I really got the point of it as propaganda, tho it does have that feel.

Is it supposed to show that republicans cry a lot? Or that girls cry a lot? That republicans are like girls?

Or, that republicans love israel? Some of my old military/militia buddies will get a chuckle out of that.

porno_jew has no courage, or convictions :upsidedow

It's common for people to say such things about other people with who they disagree politically or socially.

We've already figured out you and pj disagree about ron paul.

Just like safetynet/bignusines dems outnumber hard progressive dems on my side, leaving hard progressives like me out in the cold; on your side anti-safety/bigbusiness republicans outnumber libertarian-influenced paulian republicans. Sorry, you also are going to be left out in the cold.

For starters, I am not a Republican. Secondly I don't say that about porno_jew simply because he disagrees with me. I said it because he is a disgusting excuse for a human being. Lastly, it's not me that's going to be left out in the cold. I have eyes and can see, unlike the majority of ill informed people on GFY and America in general, so I have already left the US. You guys are the ones getting yourself and your wives and kids molested at airports by pedo's, now at NFL games, shopping malls, etc. so have fun with that. Actually, I see cuckolding is becoming to be a bigger and bigger fetish niche these days so maybe you guys actually do get off on it, who knows- :1orglaugh

Well, I dont fly or go to big public events, so all this security theatre has little effect on my life. It sucks to be them, american normals, but, they seem to like that kind of thing, they were all scared, now they pay the price, it's no skin off my nose.

Thing is, you are debating with the wrong people, the people you need to convince aren't the pornojews, who doesn't seem immediately like a republican type, altho who knows - you need to be talking to the hardcore republicans, and be effective at convincing them.

I was reading an article about santorum's sudden jump - all the evangelicals and american taliban are suddenly flocking to him - reading why they support him was just jawdropping, it amazes me that the republican party embraces that kind of hatred for faggots - but it sure is funny to see santorum start to seize center stage with his anti-anal-sex message.

Good luck with that...

keep telling yourself that...

You pick an odd subject to respond to and emphasize.

Like I said, you need to be talking to the republicans, and refining your message to them. Bitching at people like me is a waste of your time.

http://www.truth-out.org/if-ron-paul...ory/1325514942

I was not bitching at you, I was simply saying good luck with your perceived isolation from the system

http://greatwonder.files.wordpress.c...7/misscleo.jpg

miss cleo :pimp

Damn, this thread is full of super genius guys who sit back on a mountain top and are unaffected by the events in the lives of us poor normal folk who are just sheep.

It's kinda like sitting at the feet of the wise old masters like a bad episode of "Kung Fu" heh-heh

Yeah, that actually does describe me pretty well, except for the super-genius part. I'm at best smarter than average. I do live in the hills. I'm not normal.

If getting patted down and molested at the airport bothers you, I hope you take action about it. If you go to nfl games, well dude, I got nothin, I figure you are just fucked.

So, would you vote for Paul, if he pulls off a republican miracle and wins the nod?

Hell yeah I'd vote for Paul.

As far as airport TSA goes...it's a miracle I haven't been thrown in prison already. My wife DREADS going on a flight with me because I give them HELL. Same when a cop pulls me over and starts ordering me about like a child.

It just sets my temper off badly.

My wife has had to get used to the idea that I don't want to fly. Luckily, there's plenty to do without flying.

Like I said, I'd vote for paul too. Sadly, I don't think the paul supporters are effectively organized and messaged, and, well, the corporations won't allow it, your mainstream bigbusiness republicans and the professional republican class won't allow it, so that's pretty much that.

My side is stuck with that buttlicker obama, so you can take some comfort in that.

lol, gadfly greenwald comments on the irony...

http://www.salon.com/2011/12/31/prog...gleton/?mid=56

Bunch of fucking RACISTS in this thread.
Won't vote for Ron Paul because he's white.
You people disgust me.

fuck whitey

I find it fascinating that with 150 votes cast and Ron Paul beating Obama 2 to 1 that virtually no one has even commented on it. The silence speaks volumes-

So are we gonna start a "pornographers for Paul" site?

Drudge is having a poll and Ron Paul is winning. I just voted.

http://drudgereport.com/

this is a more enlightening read.

http://ww4report.com/node/10685

Interesting way to put it as I think that is basically the same thing Obama preached.

Then he like all the others and most likely like Paul will do allowed the politician in him to get out and get paid.

Really? I didn't see anything in your piece that particularly interested or impressed me. In fact, it embarrassed me - why are supposed progressives writing like hysterical women about something that doesn't matter?

It ignores greenwalds point, which is that it's embarrassing that a rightwinger is the only one propounding an end to the drug wars and an end to the empire.

I could care less if paul is racist, hates pussy, and has his tongue so far up corporate ass he can taste the filet mignon - it's silly to worry about that, the professional republicans can't allow him the nomination, he can't become president, and if he did, he couldn't actually do anything he says he would do.

It's childish to believe otherwise.

It's the philosophical and moral dimensions of his presence in the race that are interesting.

You are wasting your time worrying about his candidacy, but it wouldn't be a waste of your time to wonder what would happen to a liberal candidate that also said we should end the wars.

And who meant it, unlike that corporate rimmer obama, who lied like the fucking sack of corporate buttboy shit he is.

In case you are confused about this, PJ, paul is a republican, which means, by definition, he's racist, sexist, and never met a corporation or a billionaire whose dick he didn't want to suck.

This is a given, an absolute. Wether or not paul is a racist sexist corporate buttboy is NOT IN DEBATE.

He is, we all know he is, everyone knows he is, especially the republican voters know he is. That's what makes him a republican, and eligible to be a republican candidate. Thats why republicans like him, allow him to exist, and dont want to kick him to death.

None of this debate is about wether paul is a decent guy, he wants to be president, he's a fucking monster.

Ron Paul would rather be drinking a beer on the back porch than doing this. He's 76.