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A decent solution to piracy would be a la carte bandwidth. If someone has to pay an extra 50 bucks (or more)per month because they need to download more than the average person, then you'll see a huge drop in piracy.
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Remember the rich are rich because they have taken more than they should from the majority, or have just stolen it .
Like Facebook, takes everyones data and sells it. Is it really theirs to take? Or land, taken by the gun in the past and used to perpetuate social inequality now. |
So you think that paying $10 to see a movie is too much to ask for.
I gave this some thought while I was on working on this beautiful Sunday morning. Let's take the first Sherlock Holmes movie in 2009 - Grossed Five Hundred and Twenty-three dollars to date. That's a lot and even more so when you figure it only costs them one hundred million to make. But you need to look at the bigger picture. That movie was made by Silver Pictures, which makes a film or two a year. That same year they also made another movie that was a complete loss. Then factor in the amount of money they spend on advertising, which isn't included in the cost of production. Sherlock Holmes made them a lot of money, but but other movies were made at a loss. Then factor in that half the money made was shared with another production company. And when you spend $10 for a movie, not all of that money goes to the production company. Your paying for the theater itself, it's staff, it's insurance, it's advertising, etc etc etc etc. Makes you think, doesn't it? |
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How about $100 for a cinema ticket? If you think that is greed, then the only difference between you and them is that you differ on the number. If the ticket was $5 who's to say ten times as many people would watch? Also, it assumes everything is equal. You might not mind paying $10 for a good movie, but unfortunately most movies are complete shit. That's theft, ripping people off with an overpriced, substandard product.
Plus I'm pretty sure cinemas make their money on the overpriced popcorn and coke. Shit even Murdoch complained about it. |
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Here's a clue: ALL societies run on GREED. Capitalism is an economic system that turns this TRUTH into an engine that benefits a wider group of people than other systems. It's not perfect but the alternatives suck.
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Greed is when you don't give back to your co-workers, industry, community, etc.
Whether you are an individual or a corporation, the source of greed is not how much money you make after expenses; but, what you do with the extra after all your needs are met. |
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The Fords and the other capitalists did not give workers good wages, Trade Unions and workers working together for the benefit of all fought for living wages. The working class and left wing parties fought tooth and nail for a health Service for all in the UK, the opposite to greed. During the Cold War when the capitalist class shit its pants in fear of communism, there was free education, free dentistry, unemployment pay, in lots of the West etc etc, showing that Soviet Communism benefited the Western working class. Communist countries did everything western capitalist countries did but without a class of the super rich. Now after 20 years of casino neo liberal capitalism the greed is an embarrassment to all, 6000 people own more than $1,000,000,000 each, they own more than whole peoples, its often based on economic technological accidents, like who invents a piece of simple software first. or land stolen hundreds of years ago , or whole industries With this wealth they buy the politics, the culture and the soul of whole nations. With whole countries and communities dying from lack of jobs or water or peace it is time to end this system of greed. |
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I don't work for charity. I work for the greater good of myself and my family. That drive... that quest for bettering yourself... That's where innovation comes from. I don't think you watched the videos. These people are brilliant and very well informed. |
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A lot of things are overpriced. The solution is not to steal them. The solution is to not buy them. It's totally unreal that people think they have some basic entitlement to entertainment and if its not made available on terms they personally find agreeable - then they are ok to steal it. :2 cents: |
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You are also free to not watch movies at all. You are free to rent that same movie a couple months later on DVD from Redbox for $1.00 per night. You are free to watch TV for free. You are free to pay for Cable and have 100s of channels to watch, 24hrs a day. Your real issue is that you simply want everything on your terms and hate the fact that life doesn't happen on your terms. When you grow up, you'll finally start to get it. Why am i denied the opportunity to own and drive a new Bugatti Veyron? I might just have to get on your bandwagon and steal one because i'm on board with your sense of entitlement. Why should i be denied the experience of driving a $1,000,000.00 vehicle even if i didn't earn the right? |
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As for having to 'earn the right' to watch movies or listen to music... :Oh crap |
The conversation began about theft... you twisted it into something else playing semantics.
However, copyright infringement is illegal. "Illegal" since you're so thick, means "you do not have that right" And... i'm not losing sleep over anything. I personally don't care if you download movies. I do it all the time. however, i'm not so retarded that I argue that i'm entitled to do so, make absurd comparisons to human rights, argue that its not illegal or argue that its my right to do so. I do it... and I know i'm wrong for doing it. I know its illegal. I'm not such a weak person that I would deny those simple facts as most seem to do. The argument is about "right" or "wrong", "Legal" and "illegal". It's wrong. It's illegal. End of story. The law tells you its wrong and that you have no such right. In fact, every developed nation the world agrees with that simple point and with the need to protect intellectual property and its creators as one of the many fundamental mechanisms which drive an economy. :2 cents: |
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what about if the other family cant afford it ? they are both working minimum wage but one family's parents spend all the money on crack. Its ok for them to steal the food then is it ? copying is not even theft ? are fucking huffin paint mother fucker ? if you ever contemplate breeding let me know and I will crush your fucking nutsack with a mallet free of fucking charge |
Bought a domain for $7 and sat on it for 2 years, got an offer for $7500, felt guilty and lowered it to $6500, so think I thought of myself as greedy, he was a nice guy so lowering it was easy :1orglaugh
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Name the Communist countries that have true open elections. Name the Communist countries that have true open media. Name the Communist countries that have a living standard to compare with western capitalist countries. Name the Communist countries that have a health service to compare with western capitalist countries. Name the Communist countries that have a benefits system to compare with most western capitalist countries. Don't just name the US as the example of all the rest because it suits your flawed debate. In truth there has never ever been a real Communist country run by the people and for the people. Because it's doomed to failure. Immediately after the Russian Revolution millions died of starvation, while there was food waiting for a committee to decide whose job it was to distribute it. Mao killed millions with his radical Communists ideals. You hate big powerful men getting to run big powerful companies for their own ends. The problem with Communism is those people still exist and with even more power. They end up running the whole country and setting their own rules. |
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:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh Sure, buddy. It's only not considered stealing when it benefits the thief. |
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Orange juice ain't fresh? Return it. Store's policy is posted clearly prior to purchase being made. Everything is agreed upon. VISA provides buyer protection, too. Just because you don't know how this particular orange juice tastes does NOT give you the right to consume it without paying for it. |
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"Legal" is fact. "Wrong" is an opinion or feeling. And - I repeat, to see if it sinks in - if you genuinely think something is wrong, you simply do not do it. The fact that you do it demonstrates that you think there is nothing wrong with it, so stop pretending otherwise. Quote:
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Most people work together to make things, on farms, down mines, in factories or even on forums sharing ideas etc. Industrial societies are cooperative efforts that produce goods with less and less labour power. People who work like this see the advantage of working together and having reasonable demands as to rewards for their work. Trade Unions ask for a living wage, good housing, overtime payments, good health care and schools. The don't demand a million dolar bonus for each worker. A special group of people, think they are different, born to rule, and to consume as much as possible, while children die due to lack of clean water. The task to create a society without the greedy for the needy. |
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You have never read any Marx. Marx lived in poverty most of his life. The communist countries played by different rules.... They aimed to feed, clothe and house everybody. They gave everybody access to health care and schools. I provided jobs for everyone. These societies were some of the poorest and least developed but if you compare them to equivalent capitalist countries you can see better. Compare Communist Cuba with Dominican Republic or Haiti Communist Poland with Brazil Capitalism is only interested in people with money. If you have no money you are free to die. |
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Are you going to tell me I'm not worthy of reaping the reward for working that hard? And if not, how much less hard should I be working? I'll be awaiting your reply. I want to know how much less hard I need to be working to achieve the goals you have for me. |
Wanting to sell something you create at a price you think it is worth, is not greed. It is being paid for your work. Or if you want to just give it away, it's the choice of the creator.
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I speed. I do not have the legal right to speed. What rights I have and do not have are in our founding documents and are codified, defined and/or restricted by law. Speeding does not mean I believe I have the right to do so. I can break the law without believing I am right to break the law or that the law doesn't apply to me. I certainly can't argue that I have the legal right to do something illegal as your pea brain seems to be suggesting, being that its such an obvious contradiction. "Rights" are not some abstract idea on a sliding scale that you adjust to suit your wants and whims that day... or depending on what movies are released that weekend and whether you wish to pay 4.00 for the matinee or 9.00 for the evening. You have no legal right to illegally copy the work of another. One would think that to be self evident given the fact that you know its illegal. Doesn't seem like a complex concept to wrap ones mind around.. yet you just can't seem to. Anyway, this is why I post less and less here. Too many idiots. Too little time. Too much work to do. |
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