Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 18866153)

I don't know the full story for this case but affiliate reps should watch out if their employer asks them to basically commit fraud. In some jurisdictions it's possible that falsely claiming payments have been sent in order to get an affiliate to continue sending traffic (a good or service) while having good reason to know that the payment has not and likely never will be sent might be considered a fraudulent activity. If the amount were $xxxx I personally wouldn't be beyond contacting my local authorities as well as those in the sponsor and rep's jurisdiction about possible criminal charges. I'd do it out of principle and to make life hell for someone who cheated me because I know the squeaky wheel often gets the grease.

Claiming you were just following your employers orders is no defense to fraud. While it's unlikely to actually lead to persecution stranger things have happened and that doesn't mean a pissed off affiliate couldn't try.

Originally Posted by porno jew (Post 18866407)

you guys have no clue. smutnut is entirely correct about how this media revenue rep deals with everything. "sorry but please send more traffic." predictable that the bros and fellow reps come in here to save him.

just shows who the spineless cocksuckers are on here.

Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 18865872)

I didn't know there was any drama with Sarah and Fleshlight. Does that explain why she's not around here? I don't think one incident where she fought on the wrong side due to information she didn't have is a terribly high hurdle to overcome, but I never used the program and missed the drama entirely.

Anyway about this thread.. Derek seems to be really posting professionally and it's impossible to not respect that. Just imagine if he were your employee. Wouldn't you want him to keep his cool and make whatever offers he could towards resolution? It's not simple when you're in between the affiliate and the department that the affiliate has a problem with is all I can tell you. I do hope it resolves in everyones favor.

Originally Posted by Supz (Post 18866704)

I met dwreck at a show once and he seemed like a top notch stand up guy.

Originally Posted by ajrocks (Post 18866691)

I think I have a clue, regardless of payment or not, you shouldn't be threatening violence or be making personal attacks on an affiliate rep; he has nothing to do with late payments.

The program should pay on time 100% for sure and it sucks but you need to try and control yourself and not act like a child.

Warn people of the issue, ask people for help, call attention to the issue, but you don't need to take it to this level.

Originally Posted by Supz (Post 18866704)

People can deflect very professionally. It doesn't mean he is not deflecting. I met dwreck at a show once and he seemed like a nice guy. I am quote sure this is not his fault and he probably has no control over the money, but as some point, when someone isnt getting paid, its more professional for him to say "Dude, I asked to get you your payment, it hasnt gone out yet, I dont know why, its not my fault, please contact accounting, I am doing my best to help but its not going anywhere, I will continue to help as much as I can" anything besides that is reflecting if you ask me.

Originally Posted by Babaganoosh (Post 18866576)

You'd have to find another job, duh.

You may not be able to keep doing what you want to do for a living but there are jobs out there. Hell, I was hurting for money in 2003 or so and I took a job doing T1 support for a hosting company. It sucked but it paid the bills and I wasn't a willing participant in ripping anyone off.

Originally Posted by ajrocks (Post 18866691)

I think I have a clue, regardless of payment or not, you shouldn't be threatening violence or be making personal attacks on an affiliate rep; he has nothing to do with late payments.

The program should pay on time 100% for sure and it sucks but you need to try and control yourself and not act like a child.

Warn people of the issue, ask people for help, call attention to the issue, but you don't need to take it to this level.

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 18866754)

My point is it's not 2003 and you can't just "find another job". I have industry friends who have worked in this industry for fifteen years who have been unemployed for six months.

Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 18866749)

Key word is "seemed" that's the whole issue. Understand? That's how you do it, you SEEM.

Originally Posted by Supz (Post 18866704)

People can deflect very professionally. It doesn't mean he is not deflecting. I met dwreck at a show once and he seemed like a nice guy. I am quote sure this is not his fault and he probably has no control over the money, but as some point, when someone isnt getting paid, its more professional for him to say "Dude, I asked to get you your payment, it hasnt gone out yet, I dont know why, its not my fault, please contact accounting, I am doing my best to help but its not going anywhere, I will continue to help as much as I can" anything besides that is reflecting if you ask me.

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 18866754)

My point is it's not 2003 and you can't just "find another job". I have industry friends who have worked in this industry for fifteen years who have been unemployed for six months.

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy (Post 18866776)

I will close this thread and file it "under investigation" ...

Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 18866774)

Yeah I agree. That's how I'd have handled it if I'd been under the impression that pay went out already. I hadn't read all that ICQ stuff.

Originally Posted by StripperCash (Post 18866773)

To sum up this thread in pictures...

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http://humormood.com/wp-content/uplo...rying-baby.jpg

http://brianmaines.com/wp-content/up...0-dollars3.jpg

http://humormood.com/wp-content/uplo...rying-baby.jpg

Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 18866789)

I got paid dude, but people keep talking. Not sure you shouldn't let them cause I'm sure this shit is happening to someone as we speak, but I'm all good just so you know. It took this though

Originally Posted by Supz (Post 18866817)

Is anyone else not getting paid by them? Hopefully if that is the case someone will speak up, but so far no one has..

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 18866754)

My point is it's not 2003 and you can't just "find another job". I have industry friends who have worked in this industry for fifteen years who have been unemployed for six months.

Originally Posted by cybermike (Post 18866855)

This thread made me ask dwreck if I had any pending payments.. he found 2 and said checks are running slow.. I gave him paxum and got paid less than 30 min.. I was kinda shocked at how fast it was.

Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 18866815)

Absolutely. Shamelessly. Just don't expect many to want to be too involved with your new social network since we now know which side of the fence you are on.

Originally Posted by StripperCash (Post 18866876)

Yeah because calling you out for being a crybaby is going to deter others from wanting to make money. Makes sense.

Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 18866749)

Key word is "seemed" that's the whole issue. Understand? That's how you do it, you SEEM.

Originally Posted by Supz (Post 18866767)

well, you have to remember, hes just an employee. This was the same story with Micheal O and Epassporte, he was called scum, then said he didnt know anything, then he wasnt scum. Whats the difference here?

Originally Posted by American Psycho (Post 18866889)

dude chill dwreck is solid from what i know... u on the other hand seem like an unstable loon...

Originally Posted by Smiley (Post 18866898)

glad you got paid man....

see you soon after your lil vaca :winkwink:

Originally Posted by anexsia (Post 18866918)

It's funny watching program after program not being able to pay out some small change in a timely manner. Sure you could argue that people shouldn't bitch about a hundred or a few hundred bucks but why the hell can't a program pay that out on time to begin with if it's such a small amount?? I can understand a payment being a week or so late due to some unforeseen issue but when you get over a month it gets a little ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 18866754)

My point is it's not 2003 and you can't just "find another job". I have industry friends who have worked in this industry for fifteen years who have been unemployed for six months.

Originally Posted by Babaganoosh (Post 18866931)

Like I said, you might not be able to keep doing what you want to do for a living. You might have to go out and get a real job.

Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 18866382)

Dude you're the only one who gets my side. If not for you I would be thinking I was wrong, seriously.

Originally Posted by Far-L (Post 18866976)

I actually see your point too. Further, even as a program owner, I agree. You have a right to be pissed and Derek has been in this biz long enough to know better than to tow a line on making excuses for his employer because that is only going to come back on him like this - as it has.

There are many folks he goes way back with here, that like him, or at least have no reason to dislike him, including myself. But truth be told, when messengers deliver bad news then they have to expect to have their heads chopped off and sent back in a box to make a point.

If people don't like the way you made your point then I would like to refer them to what "GFY" actually stands for... besides, you were considerate and professional for a reasonable duration by the looks of it in that transcript.

Just calling it the way I see it.

Originally Posted by smutnut (Post 18866952)

God forbid. :1orglaugh

If i were fifty years younger I would be selling my ass pussy :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by Babaganoosh (Post 18867002)

Anyone who is intelligent, well-spoken, polite and out of work is just plain lazy.