DramaLlama

Hey buddy, I don't give a fuck what you think about me, Elliot or anything or anybody else. All that matters to me is that I follow through on my offers and anyone who works with me needs to do that same.

I can't be responsible for everything they've ever done or will do, I just fix what I can and if the trauma is just too deep, as appears to be the case with you, then there's not much I can do, after all the world is a tough place and weak minded people just have it harder. Not gonna lie, not everyone is going to make it.

I offered you compensation for the dissappointment you suffered at not getting a free t shirt for the HUGE investment of posting in a thread and you declined it, proving that you are a whiny little bitch who'd rather have something to cry about than a t shirt.

I have dealt with a lot of people like you and they all had one thing in common, they were all bitches. Most of them had vaginas, but hey there's exceptions to every rule, right?

New way of turning the tables?
I smell fake drama, created by gimme website himself to make him look like a victim

she... not he

..... :Oh crap your serious shitting me?

What a bitch fight

wow her work does suck compared to other "newbie" designers

TBH, I've seen your name a bit but have never looked at your work. Seeing the way you have handled this thread and the people who have backed you up, I'm going to take a look now.

Yesterday I had a falling out with a new mainstream design company I've been trying to work with. I had to file a charge back because they refused a refund (after two weeks up bullshit work and missed deadlines) and once they saw that, they went ahead and returned my money.

This is not my first bad experience with a designer and when I read your above statement, it made me question if I may be somewhat to blame. Can you elaborate a bit on what you mean here or give us specific suggestions on what you like to see in a client?

AaronM

My perfect client comes to me with a clear picture in his/her mind of the project.
They have a basic understanding of how things work and how a website is put together.
We may make designs day in day out, but we are not mind readers. 90% of my work is paid per project. So if the client hasn't done his homework beforehand it makes life difficult. I only get paid for the final project.. I dont get paid for chatting for 2 hours on icq or 50 emails. So your initial project brief is critical. I need to understand what the heck your saying to me..Clear and fast!

Things that annoy designers.
Your client wants to be your new best friend.
Your client de-values your time.
Your client really doesn't know what they are talking about/doing.
Your client asks for a 'quick favour' and ends up taking half your day..
BUt the WORST client "Im a designer too".. As soon as i hear those words. Im off....They will always think they could have done a better job than you.
SO why hire us?

The main thing to understand is that we (well i) arnt paid by some company. Anything that takes time away from 'Working' .. is bad. I lose money, and my next client has to wait even longer and obv he gets irritated. And the happy feeling leaves both clients......and me.

The worst thing that can happen is the project goes way over time quoted. If it's becuase ive mis-quoted, i have to take it on the chin and take the loss. And if its the client that has caused the delays.... its VERY hard to confront them about this and ask for more money. (this is why we use manictime and rescuetime to track our projects).

Some historical examples.

I was hired to do a sologirl paysite. The client didnt understand the CMS and constantly asked me to write out 'quick guides', and talk him through setting up a gallery via icq chat ect.
This went on for several days and when I said to him "look.. your running out of hours on your project with all this extra stuff".. he says "i only pay for results.. You get no more money until the project is completed".. Difficult situation.

I was hired to do a banner pack. (i offer them at 250 for a pack of 16)
HE also agreed an extra $$ becuase it meant i would be working xmas.. i think that is fair enough. Pay extra.. or wait..choice is yours.
When it came time to get the content off him, we discover they are .dng format. And they are 20 megs each.. with about hundreds to selct from.
But no way of viewing thumbs......And he persoanlly wants to sign off each banner. ..We both lost money on that job.

Weekly we have instances where a simple task as adding our IP to a FTP whitelist ends up taking 3 hours of our time. "is it working yet"... "no........" " Try now.. " "no.......Still not in". Again we dont get paid for this....

As for your specific situation, its very hard to judge a mainstream companies skill level by thier portfolio. Adult is easy, its plain to see who does nice work. Its very easy for a clueless nobody to make a profesional looking mainstream folio.

Maybe you just plain annoyed them? I have one or two clients ive let go recently simply becuase they ALWAYS cost me money.
And some people.. there will be personality clash. WHen you pay a designer, in our head we are in the driving seat.. when someone starts leaning over and taking control of the wheel the master/slave relationship changes. You no longer feel like you are being employed for your expertise. CLients like that dont get a second chance to hire me after project completion.

Not sure if ive been any help. And im sure the trolls will jump on my every word and pick it apart to make me look like scum. BUt there ya go. Theres my thoughts.

No .. 100% not the case. However if im working and a random icq comes through.
If its a work enquiry i have to take as much time as the client needs.
BUt if its just someone who wants to "chat".. I remind them that my fee is 60 bucks an hour.

Not so much to have them pay me to talk (never happened).. but to remind them what while they may have all the time in the world, I DON'T...And they are COSTING me 1 dollar a minite.

:1orglaugh Here we go....

....troll door is open. Expect them any minite.

On a seperate note.. Cyberhustler.. How does the davinci compare to the iolite wispr.
My buddies iolite packed up after 1 month usage. and he is seeking another alterantive.

I actually agree with most of this, gimme-website :)
I recently told a client I don't want to work with him anymore because, when he saw the preview for a logo, he said "I could've make it!". Well, go ahead... Of course, this was followed by 10 "I'm so hurt" emails, but business is business. He's no longer my client :)

And a "client from hell" situation: the guy wanted 20 banners but he would provide the text for them after I have made them, because he didn't had the time at that moment. "It will take 5 minutes to replace the generic texts, why do you insist???" :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

HEy loreen. you wanna swap places for a few days. Ill be you and you can be me.
COuld realy do with a change of scenery ... ya know.

SO anyone that doesnt want to hire me .. try out loreen. Shes VERY good and fantasticly priced.
As is Deej..
If ive left your name off... sorry.

Is it cold in Finland? Cause we're having some HOT days here. I could do with some rain and stuff :laughing-

ok am i being stupid or what can i smoke weed with one of these and there is no smell

There is a slight nutty taste.. but its pretty much odorless. But the important thing is.. its as discreet as you can get.
and doesnt irriate the lungs. My buddy is a proffesional athlete and this is the best way for him to enjoy his medicine without lung damage. Simply.. there is no lung damage from vaping.

Show my tits for a vape? Wrong designer honey xxx

Il be in touch though...Def want one of these.

I live at lat 61. Its minus 20 celcius for 4 months. We saw minus 35 (-31f) for a few weeks this year. We dont realy have a spring as such. As soon as the snow melts the sun arrives...

If you like trees and lakes (we have about 144000 lakes/islands), then finland is for you.
We also have wolves,bears,moose,reindeer and if your REALLY lucky.. wolverene.
And of course the MOOMINS..
No poisonous spiders... the only snake is the adder. BUt mosquitos are a huge problem.
As are drunk finns......

And we have everymans right of access. Within reason i can enter any woodland/forest/lake/farmers feild...and itch my tent up for a few days.

And you might be suprised.. It is also possible to grow the plant that you need for the divinci... outdoors! Runderelis hybrids do very well in our midnight sun.

Where are you again loreen?

GFY takes time away from working, so go away. You're not going to get out of that total fucking meltdown you had. It is going to stick with you.

I recommend you disappear for at least a year. Maybe go back to flipping burgers or sucking cock, I don't know, but whatever it was that you did before you had the brain fart to become a designer. You suck at it. You don't know how to treat people, and you don't know how to handle yourself professionally.

You have this bloated sense of entitlement. Nobody owes you anything, and I swear to GOD, the next time, and EVERY OTHER TIME, you post in ANY other design thread that isn't your own, and it looks like you are trying to spam your half-assed services... I will fucking throttle you! Got it? Get a professional clue, cunt.

Oh, and fuck you.

What's the fuck?

HEy sid. welcome to the dribblers thread......LOve your work btw
Homefry.. man up. Enlighten us to what is is you actually do and how much you earn from your endevaours.

Serious .. lets get our cocks out and compare.. I dont have one, but I bet its bigger than yours.

Thank you! Right back at ya!

I saw your edit...And I wish that was the case.

Apparently I read it wrong, that's why i edited that.
And if there is not the case show us your tits!

Ive has to say this twice today... your thinking about THE OTHER well known female 'designer' on this board.

There's only one person having a meltdown here.....YOU.

I think it was you.

HAve any of you stopped for one second to concider that I might actualy be right and telling the truth about recent events??? Lets not let little things like the truth get in the way.

funny thread :1orglaugh

Anna, a little advice.... and I'm saying it sincerely.

Your work is good... but your attitude is total shit, and stinks of cunt.
This is why nobody gives a shit about your "truth".

I'm on GFY perhaps once a month, but your posts continuously leave a bad taste in my mouth, to the point you stand out as a problem, not a solution... and many others react the same way I'm sure.

Once you learn this, your stay on GFY will be much more productive.

You either need to STFU or allow someone else to post on the board for your company, before over time, you alienate half the board.

I believe you believe you are telling the truth. That's not the point.

I think you probably had the bulk of the moral high ground on your side.
Magically, and defying explanation, you somehow turned nearly every single soul against you, basically losing the argument through sheer willpower.

Fris is obviously liked, and there's one or two complete ass lickers that just would not quit their rimming in that thread, but I don't think that was what turned the tide.

I'd use you, but you do, even in my fairly neutral-third-party eyes come with a bit of a warning label. 'contents may explode'. That's OK, it's mutual.

Anyways, certainly showing your tits at least might not be the complete worst thing you could do, I mean, hey, it might regain you some lost popularity, you never know. :)

gimme-website - I also agree that your attitude totally sucks. I have contacted you long ago regarding a question I had about a website design along with my budget and you basically laughed at me treating me poorly. Oh and you told me to go to fiverr instead so I did and then I had a great time there. lol Anyways, your work might be good (or not?) but after that encounter with you via e-mail and also on this forum I would never even think twice of going to you. You act as if you are the shit and know everything. Then again you probably will reply back calling me a cheap ass and other names so go ahead - be you. :)

Word to your mother.

When 9 out of 10 people tell you that you've got a shit ass attitude, it's time to step back and reevaluate.

Unless of course you're a stubborn twat. Then you just keep spinning and making yourself look even worse. As if that was even possible at this point. :1orglaugh

Anybody have contact information for Gimme - Website name address other personal public info? My lawyer will be in contact shortly we are asking that gimme website domain and url's become our posession until she pays up.

You "remind them" that your fee is $60/hr? WTF Just the fact that you "remind" your potential clients that they are costing them $1 per minute is f*cking twat like. Seriously. Why would anybody want to work with a person like you? I get that you have to a line to those who waste your time but sh*t girl that is a very poor attitude. If you think people are wasting your precious f*cking time just tell them to f*ck off and don't talk to them instead of "reminding" them that your minute is worth $1. Who are you anyways? How do you even sleep or eat? Because that certainly costs $1/min of your day too. Jeesh. Possible clients should be aware of this before even asking you questions or trying to explain what they are exactly wanting. Not everybody knows about web designs like you (including myself). Get the stick out of your ass.

Her rate is $300/day. If we assume an 8 hour day, that means her rate is only $37.50/hr. Not $60.

The issues this C*nt has with clients are novice issues. Any real professional knows how to deal with clients and how to process clients correctly and effectively. She just blames them and thinks it's their fault that she's a bitch.

Question. I have to look for a web designer very soon here. So let's say she claims she charges $300/day for working 8 hours. How do I know that she has worked 8 hours on my website a day for her or anybody else to charge me $300/day? I don't, right? So why not just charge based on a website she completes instead of charging per day? :disgust

Who want's to make $100 for a Tango Down @ Gimme-Website :321GFY

Isn't/wasn't she part of Frisky/Jack Sparrow circus crew? Now I remember. :thumbsup

You don't know how long she (they) spend on the project. She should charge based on the project. That IS the standard way to bill. Doing full wishlists, requirements, SOWs, timelines, proposals and agreements.

Day Rate billing is novice at best. From my perspective, it's a lazy way to bill. It indicates that they don't want to put the effort in to write up a full proposal or do any research to fully understand what you are asking for. It also tells me that I am not going to get the same value for my dollar that someone who did put the effort in, and did time & cost estimates along with a full scope write up is going to give me.

I think you need to learn to read, troll.

@kelly.. I will post as I see fit. And I really dont care what you think of me. DOnt like.. dont read. And this thread is all about me... SO ill post as much as i damn well like.
IN fact i will post in any damn thread I like. And i always respected you as a friend/colleague. Guess i was wrong.

@misshappy. I have to estimate a time to give you a quote. SOme jobs take hours.. some take days. And if you hear the $1 a min line from me.. its becuase I want you to go away. And I use manictime to track how many hours i take on a project.

@quitewebmater. YOu cant afford a lawyer, You cant afford a big mac.

NOw when the Trolls/nobodys and second nicks come out in force to defend Fris... it kinda says it all. Don't you not have any bro's with a reputation?? No.. just trolls..Cuz thats all you got....... TROLLS to back up your stirling reputation.

CAnt you read? I stated earlier 90% of my work is paid per project. I have to guestimate a time when i quote you. Those are the figures I use...If I billed daily, I would cost even more.

100 gimme website scams :2 cents:

This snatch will never change her attitude. People here will ride her ass every time she posts from this point out.

1 smelly cunt can't out stink all the dirty assholes here on GFY :winkwink: