I was here!

hmm ... as long as the constitution was left unchanged ... yer losing rights for some time already and yet pretend to live free ... i doubt the military will attack citizens, but they could be deployed to a) stop riots (protests against the loss of freedom or such) b) support local authorities to enforce laws (that may or may not be constitutionally compliant) c) make mass arrests and pretty much more ... politics aint black and white - it has many grey tones ... makers of laws dont break laws - they change them to fit their needs ... maybe you should look at it from a different angle before you consider yourself 100% FREE and SAFE!

Great post :thumbsup

I'm back, but it looks like several other people also see this the same as I do. Not sure there is anything else to debate.

Have a nice weekend :)

Ninavain, it's always great to come across someone who sees through the repbulicrat official story/truth blackout this once incredibly awesome country has been subjected to.

you know what i'm saying :winkwink:

I hear what you're saying, but i disagree. Soldiers follow orders. That's what they're conditioned to do. Soldiers (and their families) who disobey orders are in for a world of shit.

I was in the Marines, and we had a huge training area. And the truth is, after a year of training, you pretty much know every last square inch - which completely defeats the purpose of the training.

On top of this, they don't have massive urban training centers. We had "combat town", which was nothing more than a small collection of buildings, but nothing is going to make it more realistic and force them to face real world challenges than doing it in a real urban center.

Well that's some bullshit right there.

Illegal detention = CIA
No US laws broken. US laws don't apply outside the US. I could care less what the CIA does outside the us.

Illegal hits (murders) = FBI/CIA/Presidential Cabinet
Never heard of that before. Whatever. We impeached Nixon, but I'm sure Bush and Obama just orders the FBI to whack American citizens for whatever reasons.

Anti-Protest laws = secret service/presidential cabinet
Are you talking about the laws that protect the President? So I can still protest pretty much any place I want? I"m okay with that.

Phone-taps = can't disclose
Yeah, because that hasn't been going on for the past sixty years. But clearly suddenly it's a huge concern.

edit..

trying to educate those that don't want to be educated is a fool's errand

Yeah, I could see it happening with cops no problem, Military.. lol. no, not so much, a good portion of them would take those "tanks" and go after the cops.

You are also misinformed. Know your history. :2 cents:

Kent State, 1970

And as I posted earlier, new laws have passed allowing US military to hunt down Americans civilians anywhere on earth, and kill them, if need be. If they THINK they have anything to do with terrorism.

Read this: http://news.yahoo.com/obama-lawyers-...154313473.html



See post above.


The CIA admitting to trying to assassinate Fidel Castro on numerous occasions. Sanctioned "hits" are illegal now, so they wrap it under the guise of terrorism, where it's perfectly legal to assassinate boogiemen.

Anwar al-Awlaki was an American. He was an alleged terrorist, but he was American, and they assassinated him, bypassing due process.

Terrorism was invented, and wasn't even a big issue until 9/11. NOW news stations won't shut the fuck up about "terrorism" and it's all bullshit.

You are four times more likely to be killed by a lightning bolt than by a terror attack

http://reason.com/archives/2011/09/0...rrorism-should

I was attacked by wasps last week and that sent me on a "how many people die from bee stings a year" search, and I was happy to learn that lightning kills more than bee stings.

Having said that, I actually met someone who had been struck by lightning. It made one of their eyes go cock-eye.

President Nixon was not impeached.

He would have been if he would not have resigned.

That is not a fact but just your opinion...now isn't it?

Looks like Simon hasn't taken his meds in the last week or two. Why not get the fuck off of GFY and make some more comic books, you fuckin moron.

What's interesting is the DHS ordering 450,000 Hollow-Point bullets - aka COP KILLERS - and enough body bags that there is a body bag for literally every US citizen.

I am not suggesting anything, but read into it what you will. The DHS now has the resources ON-HAND to wipe out virtually all of the US.

Considering that the DHS' job is supposed to be protecting us from outside threats to US sovereignty ... They must be prepping for one hell of an invasion!! :eek2

what do you propose WE do?

That's a historical fact, not my opinion.

I know you're a psychotic dolt, but please try to keep up with American history. I would expect more from someone who claims to have served his country. But then, you did fake your own online death, so all bets are off with you.

You are now dismissed.

Kill whitey! Oh wait, that was another revolution. Kill the lawyers! Wait, that's Shakespeare. Kill everybody! Wait, that's the Taliban! Goddamn, I'm sure there's revoluting coming somewhere. It's either kill the poor people or kill the rich people, I get confused. For sure, get a gun though. Could be the fucking Chinese. We need to kill something though and soon.

Your paranoia and refusal to see the world in its entirety is making you see an enemy in the mirror.

In the event of a financial collapse, the US can put up the middle finger to any other nation that it owes financial debt to. Guess who owns the most US debt and likely would be the primary nation to want to put up a fight over such a development? And take a gander at the size of their army while you're at it.

JHC does it matter what you advertise in this niche or is it just a case of creating topics on blogs and purely making money via AdSense?

China :disgust

I reckon America would win if it came down to a war but looking at history it's unlikely to be one country Vs another. :Oh crap

Massive difference between the CIA "trying" to assassinate the leader of a foreign country forty years ago and "illegal hits" by the FBI.

He was a terrorist.

Being as the United States has no legal authority outside of the United States, and the only way it can stop terrorists from committed acts against the US to take them out - being as we cannot arrest them. The fact that he was a US citizen is pretty much irrelevant because US law does not apply in other countries, and US citizens are not covered under American law.

I don't loose any sleep over what happened to Anwar al-Awlaki.

I just hope that my favorite pornstars are abroad for that time ...

I don't lose sleep over that shit stain either, but US law does follow all Americans abroad. We not only have to abide by local laws in the country we are in, but we also have to abide by American laws and can be prosecuted in teh USA for things done abroad, even if it was legal in the other country, but illegal in the USA. This is another joy of freedom.

Back to Anwar al-Awlaki, we only know he was a terrorist because we were all told he was a terrorist. The Gov and media said he was, so that is that. Now he's dead. The problem is, he did not have due process. What if it was just a big misunderstanding? What if Gov Intel was wrong? They fuck up ALL THE TIME. They are wrong about where terrorist are hiding and we blow up wedding parties and homes. They were wrong about WMD's and we invaded a country who showed no aggression towards us, and we're STILL there murdering people BASED ON MISTAKES AND LIES. So is it plausible that Anwar al-Awlaki wasn't as bad as they say he was? Absolutely. A fair trial may have sorted that out.

The US government ordering the execution of an American, terrorist or not, without due process, is wrong. That is one of the things that used to make America, America. Now that anyone can be labeled a "terrorist" and held without trial indefinitely or executed without due process, that is as un-American as it gets and it shits in the face of everything the USA is supposed to be.

Rochard, I don't know the reasons why you served, but if you buy into the idea that the military is fighting for our freedom, then you have to swallow the fact that you are also fighting for the freedoms and rights of bad Americans like Anwar al-Awlaki, and his right to a fair and speedy trial. It's a sour pill, I know, but such rights should not be conditional based on if you are a patriot or not. It's like freedom of speech, we have to take the bad with the good, even if the bad is horrible and offends us greatly.

I am fully aware of the events and I also am aware of this "the likely prospect of losing the impeachment vote in the full House"...so no one will ever know for a fact that he would have been impeached...now will they sport...so it remains as I stated..."just your opinion".

They will remain in denial until the very end...

The government passes a law saying that U.S. citizens can be indefinitely detained without trial and these clowns think there's nothing weird going on lol..... nothing to see here, carry on with your little sheep lives with your heads in the sand....

Is this clown actually advocating the murder of U.S. citizens without a trial? Scary times we live in.....

Thanks very much for such a detailed reply JHC! Much appreciated :thumbsup

Every time I see one of these threads, it makes me ponder getting into the conspiracy theory "market". The level of stupidity, lack of common sense, and gullibility must make that market insane.

Yeah, if your leaving the country with the intention of having sex with minors, yeah, that's a problem and we should punish it.

He was a self proclaimed terrorist. He didn't hide it, he told everyone.

Your making it sound like a junior level clerk decided he had to go and it was done. There was hearings about it with the highest levels of our government, including Congress and most likely the US President.

Did he have a trial? Nope. But he could have turned himself in at any time and had one.

When we are at war - and make no mistake about it, we are in fact at war (remember 9/11?) - there is no trial by jury. We do not pull aside every enemy combatant and offer them a trial.

That's how you see it.

While I am not a huge fan of Bush, I see our actions in Iraq as being the fallout from the original invasion of Kuwait in 1991. You think we went in because WMD and that might be how it was sold to the general public, but I see it from a strictly military stand point - Iraq invaded another country, got it's ass kicked, signed a peace treated, then claimed it won and violated the peace treaty at every chance it had.

Any time any country shoots as a US warplane it is in fact an act of war. The entire time Clinton was in office they were shooting at us and we were shooting back at them.

But this is the way it's always been. You seem to think that "everyone has rights" yet the CIA has been quietly doing the dirty work behind our backs without us knowing. We've been killing and assianating people for the past one hundred years, no trail needed.

No, American citizens are not protected by the US constitution when they leave the country - at all. It's not even open to discussion. Your seeing Anwar al-Awlaki as an American citizen; I'm seeing him as an enemy combatant who is helping the enemy. Do this inside the US you get arrested and you get a trial; You do this in a third world country where the local government is unable to assist us you get killed.

Rochard, you are forgetting that the U.S. continued to bomb Iraq for 10 years after the Gulf War ended. You are forgetting that millions of Iraqis died because of sanctions the U.S. enforced. Half a million innocent children starved to death :(

so what are we supposed to do about it all?

Increasing my post count......increasing my post count.....when the war comes I'll still be increasing my post count.....going for the Green, going for the Green.....carry on.

so many lunatics on this board these days.

I wonder how many of them are broke and never leave the basement though?

get a life... seriously.

No, I'm not forgetting that at all and even mentioned it. We signed a peace treaty, and the terms of the peace treaty was violated within the first six months. The peace treaty included no fly zones intended to protect both Kuwait in the south and the Kurds in the North. Iraq started shooting at our planes, and we shot back. A defacto state of war existed, the press barely mentioned it, and the American public generally speaking didn't care.

As for the sanctions, that was up to Iraq, it's leaders, and it's government. When your shooting at American planes, your going to get massive sanctions and worse.

If you live in America you really shouldn't get your news from any other source than MSNBC. Even then it's slightly conservative. Don't be brainwashed by the right wing.

Rochard = moron
Why even talk about it? You are one of the largest and oldest clowns on this board. You are following the same path as Paul. Good luck.

Wake up and realize you are being trolled into long, unsubstantiated garbage posts.

kiss your ass goodbye


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