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Tijuana_Tom 07-02-2012 06:09 AM
The American government forces you to do things every day.

The problem with people is they are very self centered they only see this as "I have to give up my money to help support the country."

Is the American Way to be completely self centered and say fuck everyone who isn't me? :1orglaugh

You have to buy car insurance based on WHAT IF and other people's behavior. I spend over $4k a year on car insurance and I've never had an accident or a speeding ticket in 20 years of driving.

You claim Auto insurance only protects once person well that's a very ignorant view.

It's the same ignorant view that Healthcare only protects the person who is sick.

This thread is a perfect example of why the American Government and the Adult industry is failing hard.

Fucking morons. :1orglaugh

Paul Markham 07-02-2012 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 19034941)

There is a lot of fat in the system and they are protecting the corporate (profit and non profit) "pork" in healthcare spending. Manufacturing businesses go broke or outsource with the healthcare industry becoming the new profit center -- this cannot be sustained and we are seeing its economic results.
Fat to you, padding the bill to me. so long as you know you pay for it more than you should all's fine.

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If people are uninsured because they want to game the system they should not receive any services that they cannot pay up front for Cash, VISA/MC ...
What about those who lose their jobs and have a house. Those on low wages, but not low enough. Those who discover the insurance company found a loop hole in the small priny, etc?

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Paul FYI, Medicare government healthcare for retirees (65+) and SSI (disability). Medicaid is government healthcare for public assistance (welfare or 'on the dole') recipients and some working poor or dependent children whose parent's employers do not cover them
I know how it works, just not the names of it and the fine details. I have family over in the US and they are middle class and have basic cover, which is shitty. Except my Mother and Brother. Mother when she was working didn't qualify and as a diabetic couldn't get covered. Well not at a rate anyone could afford and not for diabetes. She was slightly better off when she retired. Of course no pension, that came from the UK and her sons.

My brother until he got Prostate Cancer when he was between jobs and then couldn't get covered. But he had a house. Or fly to the UK where he's still a citizen. Now it's $1500 a month and no cover for cancer. That costs more.

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If you can afford it and have the top flight insurance, you're better off in the US. The Health Care for the rich is great. You would be paying the same or even less for a similar service here in EU, public and private linked. We have BUPA as well as the State.

Barry-xlovecam 07-02-2012 08:46 AM
Peasants in China don't pay for shit ... They live like shit too ...

Whatever ... I consider being fortunate to be able to get private insurance with pre existing conditions ((like your brother's dilemma )) ... My life is worth more than the $1,000 a month the insurance costs. Unfortunately, I am getting more than my money's worth.

You cannot make any money if you are dead -- that is what I keep telling myself.

OK -- you know the US system then I just thought you were confused ...

Paul Markham 07-02-2012 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 19035223)
Peasants in China don't pay for shit ... They live like shit too ...

Whatever ... I consider being fortunate to be able to get private insurance with pre existing conditions ((like your brother's dilemma )) ... My life is worth more than the $1,000 a month the insurance costs. Unfortunately, I am getting more than my money's worth.

You cannot make any money if you are dead -- that is what I keep telling myself.

OK -- you know the US system then I just thought you were confused ...
My point is for what Americans pay, they're being ripped off. Your life is worth a lot more than $1,000 a month. The problem is to cover it in America to the same level some are in Europe can be done far cheaper.

All the costs are carried by US industry and passed down in the prices you pay in shops. Which is why so little is "Made in the US". This makes US goods harder to sell. Just to feed the multi trillion dollar health industry.

Minte 07-02-2012 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19035299)
My point is for what Americans pay, they're being ripped off. Your life is worth a lot more than $1,000 a month. The problem is to cover it in America to the same level some are in Europe can be done far cheaper.

All the costs are carried by US industry and passed down in the prices you pay in shops. Which is why so little is "Made in the US". This makes US goods harder to sell. Just to feed the multi trillion dollar health industry.
Identifying problems is a simple task.

Solutions, those are harder.

Barry-xlovecam 07-02-2012 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 19035299)
My point is for what Americans pay, they're being ripped off. Your life is worth a lot more than $1,000 a month. The problem is to cover it in America to the same level some are in Europe can be done far cheaper.

All the costs are carried by US industry and passed down in the prices you pay in shops. Which is why so little is "Made in the US". This makes US goods harder to sell. Just to feed the multi trillion dollar health industry.
Get ripped off or die ... It's becoming the "American Way"

Most European countries have socialized medicine. In the Western EU and Scandinavia it's pretty good -- public healthcare sucks in a lot of Eastern European countries. I hear the horror stories daily from Romania in particular.

And in the European countries with good public healthcare there is a high tax burden; for starters the VAT tax 17% - 23% on everything so when you factor in the cost of living I am not so sure it's really the most efficient way.

A lot depends on if you are a net donor or recipient. The thing is 80% of us will become recipients but everyone has different needs. Here you have tiers based on income levels and there are losers and winners in the game, a life is a life, but life is not fair always.

MaDalton 07-02-2012 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 19035456)
Get ripped off or die ... It's becoming the "American Way"

Most European countries have socialized medicine. In the Western EU and Scandinavia it's pretty good -- public healthcare sucks in a lot of Eastern European countries. I hear the horror stories daily from Romania in particular.

And in the European countries with good public healthcare there is a high tax burden; for starters the VAT tax 17% - 23% on everything so when you factor in the cost of living I am not so sure it's really the most efficient way.

A lot depends on if you are a net donor or recipient. The thing is 80% of us will become recipients but everyone has different needs. Here you have tiers based on income levels and there are losers and winners in the game, a life is a life, but life is not fair always.

i have czech health insurance. i dont know how much i pay per month but its some ridiculus amount like $50 or so. my copay when i visit my doctor is $1.50

i feel like i am in good hands but when i was recently at a hospital you could see that they could surely use some extra money for new equipment.

on the other hand every year thousands of students from all over Europe come to CZ to study medicine

another example:
i need to take beta blockers - one pill a day. the original stuff in Germany was 50 Euro a month, the generic stuff about 25 Euro. here in CZ it's 8 Euro a month (my copay).

i wouldnt want to live without health insurance, i have witnessed in my own family how costly it could become without one very quickly. with my fathers history we would be bankrupt by now.

and insurances only work when the healthy also pay, otherwise it's useless

but in the US pharma companies and profit oriented insurance companies and hospitals rape the system, thats something that would need to be stopped.

Barry-xlovecam 07-02-2012 12:23 PM
Oddly enough the Beta Blocker I take is $15.00 retail a month Atenolol

My copay is $20 generic exception to the rule ...

*breaking news GlaxoSmithKline agrees to $3 billion settlement with Justice Department in largest sum of its kind over health care fraud http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_1...th-care-fraud/

Just Alex 07-02-2012 12:55 PM
Dont blame the playa, blame the game!

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Paul Markham 07-02-2012 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 19035456)
Get ripped off or die ... It's becoming the "American Way"
True. The US Health Industry has you by the short and curlys.

Comparing Rumania in this discussion is pointless. If you want a comparison find a country that spends as much as the US per person and then compare infant mortality and life span.

Whoops, you had best not, it will make you cry.

Trend 07-02-2012 06:15 PM
Great for us actually. We just got rid of all employees. Everyone is now either outsourced or 1099'd :thumbsup


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