find out who is doing this and give them a surprise knock on the door - that shit works wonders in my part of the world :P

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which is the real deal?

Google doesn't include them in the algo anymore. They used to get you fucked over, but when competition started using it as a tool Google responded. Thank God!

The links actually may be helping you in Yahoo and Bing. They are still stupid as fuck.

so Negative SEO it's old news :question

dont thing google mark you down for badlinks, but you can remove someones youtube, twitter or facebook for a tenner on fiverr, especially twitter, they have a stupid velocity based follower algo. so the faster you can add followers, the faster they will remove you

Is there any .htaccess expert around here?

Negative SEO? I don't even know what that is.

Is this a way to tell google not to include those shitty spam forums ?

" Quick update on link messages from last Thursday: we can't easily change the old msgs, so we'll send the more specific messages later today.
from Matt Cutts "

I can do it but I'd rather not post it here since first of all my way needs to be using an Apache server and can rewrite the incoming urls to look like inbound links or block those links altogether but there can still be problems like Google Bot and others detecting 403s everywhere, causing even more problems..

I would either suggest just reporting it to Google if they pay attention to the request or just make a bunch of good related links to compensate for the bad ones :thumbsup

Interesting update from Matt Cutts.

one of those codes will make the deal in my case. time will tell :)

The second one looks good. I can test it tonight or tomorrow if you'd like.

of course i've tested and both are working, time will tell if they work in seo I was meaning..

:thumbsup

Keep us updated, sounds like this could be helpful. :upsidedow

MKA, what exactly are you trying to get at with the .htaccess? Trying to forward the bad links to Google?

after all we are here to share :)

I just had a bag of doritos and the bag was clearly still air tight, but when I opened it all the chips were stale.

What the fuck?

I'm not trying anything actually but someone mentioned the htaccess stuff.
Is that even possible ?

I am not that good with htaccess. I know that if someone links to a page on your site and you remove that page and return a 404 then Google does not consider that link a back link to your site. However, if you re-route traffic from a bad link using .htaccess then I am not sure what the search engines would consider that link. Plus, your .htaccess page could be filled up with the types of back links that we are talking about in this thread.

Yea I think so too

That's the problem when discussing things like 'negative seo'.

'Negative seo' is kind of a catch-all phrase for "techniques that harm the SERP position of a site". Some tend to focus on the potential negative effects of certain types of links when discussing the subject when in reality the bag of 'negative seo' tricks is filled with a lot more stuff than simple link spam.

Is it possible to harm a competitor's site? Definitely. A combination of fake dmca notices, joejobs, link spam on boards and blogs you know to be heavily moderated, fake complaints etc can easily harm a site's position or at least make the webmaster's life hell.

Imo, people worry too much about things they can't control such as links pointing to their site. I say: focus on what you can control. Build more sites, diversify, hide who owns your sites, continue your 'positive seo' work as if nothing happened,...

Doing spam tactic might produce better results lol

Funny how everyone is suggesting some course of action... when there is no penalty involved. Besides, you have no clue how many inbound links there are. You see 100s... there could be 100,000 because there is no good source to show all inbound links to a page. Google doesn't show but a tiny fraction of them. Most of you guys fretting over crap like this, don't even seem to understand the most basic things about Google.

What is Google supposed to do? Manually make your site number 1 for the phrases of your choice if you pester them enough - or do your bidding until you're satisfied?

Discovered some interesting stuff on the spam forums mentioned earlier.


yobt.tv got hundreds of new phrases on other sites like this:

http://www.yobt.tv/content/256179/ti...hard-fuck.html
"Tiny Tit Get Hard Fuck"

http://www.yobt.tv/content/283351/fr...rn-action.html
"Free Weird Porn Action"

It means anchor fit the url while other sites (the ones that got fucked over spam) has anchors like "asian girl fuck with animal" and other unrelated fucking shit pointed directly to our sites.

anyone from yobt.tv in here or yobt.com ?
Is this guy spamming his site positively while he tries to fuck his competitors with shit spam ?

I did a reconsideration and mentioned ALL forums i tracked through webmaster tools (download all links)

I just had to check the cgi forums from past 3 months to find out why i was hit.
The problem is, i got a message back from google saying there are still unnatural links leading to my site. I'm afraid they do nothing with the forum links i send to them.

MKA it sounds like you are going to have to go thru every link to your site if you are penalized for unnatural links and google has sent you a letter confirming this.

I actually did.
about 16.000 links were mentioned in the list webmastser tools provided me, all the way back to 2006.

Except for those shit forums (about 150) all other links are from (active) websites I trade traffic with, mostly nofollow. (video plug trading etc, toplist trading)

I'm pretty sure those 150 forums in a time period of 2 months fucked everything up. Google should first degrade those assholes and then check my backlinks again.
From day 1 i managed my site myself, one man company so i know every single link pointing at my site. All good links and maybe a few bad ones but a few won't make you drop 75% in SE traffic but 150 shitty spam forums can.

I was reading up on seo today (I do that every day) and read this in an article about types of links to avoid:

Blog Rolls

Blog rolls can be good for traffic and publicity, but they have limited SEO value. Most blog rolls appear in sidebars and on every page. Without knowing exactly how search engines count blog rolls, it is probably safe to consider these as one link per site. Chances are good that search engines count them, but greatly depreciate them.

Text Links

Avoid off-site text links outside of content, especially in sidebars and footers. Site wide text links are especially ominous. Imagine how having Colorado Fine Silverware link to your website from the footer of every page on numerous sites looks to search engines.

Legitimate text link ads do exist. Search engines try to ignore these, but probably have limited tolerance. Buy too many ads and it begins to look like rankings manipulation. If search engines identify your text link ads they will not help SEO, but buy too many and it could hurt.

Most adult webmasters are hesitant to put a link on their page anywhere but the footer. I think that in the long run, and possibly even it is already happening, having footer links on your site can get your site penalized. Having too many incoming links from other sites' footers can get you penalized. Same thing with side bar links and site wide links.

AKA you may want to consider the above also when looking at your back links.

I heard this story too (or read somewere) before and it could make sence.
I do have a lot of "footer" trades, however all the sites that are ranked in the top 10 for the keywords i got punished for do use an exact same strategy when it comes do "footer" trades.
I know the sites, most of them are people i do business with for over 6 years. Same work, same type of sites, same way of trading.
Only difference is that i got spammed on forums and they don't..

The quickest way to get a penalty is to link to a site that is either banned or under a penalty themselves. I believe that you don't necessarily get a penalty if there are a lot of crap links pointing to your site. I think google builds a backlink profile and if say you have a super high unusual amount of pr0 backlinks with irregular anchor tags they will apply a penalty. You can attempt to off set this with authoritative backlinks and bring your backlink ratios to a more normal ratio. I think there is some sort of tipping point where if too many of your backlinks look shady they drop your ranks. For example let's say you have 10k backlinks but only 100 of those backlinks have an anchor tag for your site title "Debauchery" google would send up a flag. Or if say all your backlinks say "free porn" or something. First thing I would do is thoroughly check your on site outgoing links for crap. Delete those guys. Then try to get a diverse backlink profile. Good Luck.

Also as a side note I have seen a lot of spammers ranking high for a lot of keywords that are clearly using a some sort of submission form spam bot.

I suspect that the folks at Sextronix will know who they are...if you click on any of the banners on those spam pages they all go thru TEXASCARSUSED.COM and all redirect to a Sextronix account # 113170

This is something which should be investigated.:thumbsup

jesus thats messed up. hopefully it didnt mess up your seo too bad.

Sextronix.. you there ?

I sent Itchy at sextronix an icq but haven't heard back from him yet. If anyone knows the folks over there you may want to send'em to this thread.

I know I'm late to this convo, but I do have quite a bit of experience with this. These links won't hurt you and you should not waste any of your time worrying about them.

There are a lot of myths in SEO, one of them being negative SEO. A lot of people out there think that it's possible to hurt your competition by building loads of spammy links, but it's simply not true. If this was possible there would be hellfire on the Internet.

If you're still worried, consider this. Google knows that it's easy to build thousands of shit links in no time, for a couple hundred bucks a month you can have a VPS running 24/7 building tens of thousands while you sleep. For $5 you can buy an xrumer blast on Fiverr. Because of this all those links carry no value and therefore can't hurt you.

In my experience this isn't true.. I don't think blogroll and footer links cause penalties, they're just devalued and therefore don't help much. This is because these kinds of links are typically easy to get and are usually obtained through link trades. (And yes Google can detect ABCD trades). There's a big difference between penalties and link devaluation.

Im back from days off I'll look into this and hit you on ICQ to see what can be done