Dont think that will do anything because this is not manual penalty,it's algorithm penalty.I think only way to beat that negative seo is to get tons of real organic links.

So this is An Adult Webmaster Community :thumbsup

seriously thanks for this thread DaCaptain.

stop questioning negative seo, It Exists :Oh crap

http://www.seobook.com/stop-questioning-negative-seo

I'll send them at least 50 consideration request daily untill they do something. Or else, i will do the same shady fucking spam tactic to destroy all sites that are above me in rankings untill i get on 1 again.

maybe these 143 bad links are not the only reason of your bad ranking

penalized

It is..
I know my website and i know i have never did anything shady.
100% fair work from the day it got online many many years ago.

Besides, it's google who noticed me of the bad links.
I needed to find out myself which links and it took me a half day to dig into a list of 16.000 urls from past years and find these fucking 143 shit forums.

Dropping from a high rank on page 1 (many many years) to page 143241234 is not just having a bad day/week/month. That is manipulated shit.

Of course it exists, but there's not a lot you can do about those links and stuff or to prevent it from happening again. Besides, real bh negative seo goes a lot further and is a lot more evil than a few xrummer blasts.

The best way to handle it is the same way you handle all other seo related risks: don't put all of your eggs in one basket.

Instead of building one site and hoping for the best and begging Big G to reconsider when they drop/penalize your site, just build more sites and hide who owns them.

A swarm of mosquitoes is harder to hit than an elephant.

You're welcome.

MKA, I don't think that sending Google 50 requests per day is the answer.

Django, my site has over 1300.

Google considers a penalty to be a manual action. If something causes the algorithm to not rank your site as high as it has been, Google does not consider that a penalty. Any webmaster that has enjoyed years of top rankings, however, does consider it a penalty whether it is manual or algorithmic, when their site falls.

That said, if someone else causes your site to fall, even if it is algorithmic, Google should at least know about it. One webmaster reporting it won't make much noise, however if a group of webmasters approaches Google they could change their algorithm.

I am not convinced that those links have hurt my site, however it is suspicious that whoever is doing this does it to numerous sites and continues to do it to this day. Normally, people will not continue an action (especially over a period of years) without some return in their investment of that action.

I suspect that there are quite a few websites that have fallen, and that this could be part of the problem at the very least, and that the owners of those websites are either under the impression that it was something that they themselves did that caused their sites' fall, or just algorithmic changes that they have yet to keep up with/discover/whatever.

Panda, Penguin.. are algorithm changes (April 2012)

u-Bob is always very clear :thumbsup

ok

find out who is doing this and give them a surprise knock on the door - that shit works wonders in my part of the world :P

between

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2

which is the real deal?

Google doesn't include them in the algo anymore. They used to get you fucked over, but when competition started using it as a tool Google responded. Thank God!

The links actually may be helping you in Yahoo and Bing. They are still stupid as fuck.

so Negative SEO it's old news :question

dont thing google mark you down for badlinks, but you can remove someones youtube, twitter or facebook for a tenner on fiverr, especially twitter, they have a stupid velocity based follower algo. so the faster you can add followers, the faster they will remove you

Is there any .htaccess expert around here?

Negative SEO? I don't even know what that is.

Is this a way to tell google not to include those shitty spam forums ?

" Quick update on link messages from last Thursday: we can't easily change the old msgs, so we'll send the more specific messages later today.
from Matt Cutts "

I can do it but I'd rather not post it here since first of all my way needs to be using an Apache server and can rewrite the incoming urls to look like inbound links or block those links altogether but there can still be problems like Google Bot and others detecting 403s everywhere, causing even more problems..

I would either suggest just reporting it to Google if they pay attention to the request or just make a bunch of good related links to compensate for the bad ones :thumbsup

Interesting update from Matt Cutts.

one of those codes will make the deal in my case. time will tell :)

The second one looks good. I can test it tonight or tomorrow if you'd like.

of course i've tested and both are working, time will tell if they work in seo I was meaning..

:thumbsup

Keep us updated, sounds like this could be helpful. :upsidedow

MKA, what exactly are you trying to get at with the .htaccess? Trying to forward the bad links to Google?

after all we are here to share :)

I just had a bag of doritos and the bag was clearly still air tight, but when I opened it all the chips were stale.

What the fuck?

I'm not trying anything actually but someone mentioned the htaccess stuff.
Is that even possible ?

I am not that good with htaccess. I know that if someone links to a page on your site and you remove that page and return a 404 then Google does not consider that link a back link to your site. However, if you re-route traffic from a bad link using .htaccess then I am not sure what the search engines would consider that link. Plus, your .htaccess page could be filled up with the types of back links that we are talking about in this thread.

Yea I think so too

That's the problem when discussing things like 'negative seo'.

'Negative seo' is kind of a catch-all phrase for "techniques that harm the SERP position of a site". Some tend to focus on the potential negative effects of certain types of links when discussing the subject when in reality the bag of 'negative seo' tricks is filled with a lot more stuff than simple link spam.

Is it possible to harm a competitor's site? Definitely. A combination of fake dmca notices, joejobs, link spam on boards and blogs you know to be heavily moderated, fake complaints etc can easily harm a site's position or at least make the webmaster's life hell.

Imo, people worry too much about things they can't control such as links pointing to their site. I say: focus on what you can control. Build more sites, diversify, hide who owns your sites, continue your 'positive seo' work as if nothing happened,...

Doing spam tactic might produce better results lol

Funny how everyone is suggesting some course of action... when there is no penalty involved. Besides, you have no clue how many inbound links there are. You see 100s... there could be 100,000 because there is no good source to show all inbound links to a page. Google doesn't show but a tiny fraction of them. Most of you guys fretting over crap like this, don't even seem to understand the most basic things about Google.

What is Google supposed to do? Manually make your site number 1 for the phrases of your choice if you pester them enough - or do your bidding until you're satisfied?

Discovered some interesting stuff on the spam forums mentioned earlier.


yobt.tv got hundreds of new phrases on other sites like this:

http://www.yobt.tv/content/256179/ti...hard-fuck.html
"Tiny Tit Get Hard Fuck"

http://www.yobt.tv/content/283351/fr...rn-action.html
"Free Weird Porn Action"

It means anchor fit the url while other sites (the ones that got fucked over spam) has anchors like "asian girl fuck with animal" and other unrelated fucking shit pointed directly to our sites.

anyone from yobt.tv in here or yobt.com ?
Is this guy spamming his site positively while he tries to fuck his competitors with shit spam ?

I did a reconsideration and mentioned ALL forums i tracked through webmaster tools (download all links)

I just had to check the cgi forums from past 3 months to find out why i was hit.
The problem is, i got a message back from google saying there are still unnatural links leading to my site. I'm afraid they do nothing with the forum links i send to them.

MKA it sounds like you are going to have to go thru every link to your site if you are penalized for unnatural links and google has sent you a letter confirming this.

I actually did.
about 16.000 links were mentioned in the list webmastser tools provided me, all the way back to 2006.

Except for those shit forums (about 150) all other links are from (active) websites I trade traffic with, mostly nofollow. (video plug trading etc, toplist trading)

I'm pretty sure those 150 forums in a time period of 2 months fucked everything up. Google should first degrade those assholes and then check my backlinks again.
From day 1 i managed my site myself, one man company so i know every single link pointing at my site. All good links and maybe a few bad ones but a few won't make you drop 75% in SE traffic but 150 shitty spam forums can.