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Sly 09-09-2012 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DamageX (Post 19178736)
The average guy, maybe. The average American, I don't think so, because he's obese and he didn't get there by eating for only $30/week.

Fat and poor. Chicken and egg?

woj 09-09-2012 10:37 AM

Sly is completely right, there is no reason why someone can't live off of <$100/month, I've done it for years while I was in college... it wasn't even that hard, it just takes some getting used to....

DamageX 09-09-2012 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by woj (Post 19178739)
Not being able to afford to over-eat is a pretty good reason to get your shit together and to start eating healthier... :2 cents:

No argument there. Would be curious to see how it plays out for them. :)

Sly 09-09-2012 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by woj (Post 19178744)
Sly is completely right, there is no reason why someone can't live off of <$100/month, I've done it for years while I was in college... it wasn't even that hard, it just takes some getting used to....

In college I lived on chicken breast, canned tuna, potatoes, and rice. Could not stand Ramen. I probably spent less and ate better than all of my friends.

SilentKnight 09-09-2012 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 19178704)
No problem!

Note: I eat actual serving sizes. Not the make-believe serving sizes that so many Americans do with their giant bowls and plates.

Breakfast: lets be simple and say oatmeal with raisins.
Oatmeal: http://www.samsclub.com/sams/quaker-....ip?navAction= $7.58, over 100 servings. Less than $0.075 per serving.
Raisins: http://www.samsclub.com/sams/sun-mai....ip?navAction= $7.98, 60 ounces. We'll add an ounce to our oatmeal. $0.13 per serving.
I like my oatmeal with water, not milk. But feel free to splash a little milk in. Maybe have a glass of milk as well. Let's add $.50 for your milk usage.
Breakfast total for the week: $4.94

Lunch: continuing on with simplicity, we'll say grilled chicken, rice, vegetables and water.
Chicken: http://www.samsclub.com/sams/daily-c....ip?navAction= $10.98, 24 servings. $0.46 per serving.
Vegetable, we'll do canned because it's more universal, but if you stay seasonal you can get good deals on fresh vegetables: http://www.samsclub.com/sams/del-mon....ip?navAction= $8.38, roughly 30 servings. $0.28 per serving
Rice: http://www.samsclub.com/sams/kraft-m...navAction=push $5.38 (you can get cheaper than this), 72 ounces, 36 servings. $0.15 per serving.
Lunch total for the week: $6.23

Money left for dinner: $8.83

Dinner: tilapia, bread, vegetable, fruit, water
Tilapia: http://www.samsclub.com/sams/treasur....ip?navAction= $12.98, 48 ounces. 12 servings. $1.08 per serving
Vegetable: http://www.samsclub.com/sams/del-mon....ip?navAction= $5.88, roughly 30 servings. $0.20 per serving
Fruit: http://www.samsclub.com/sams/bananas-3-lbs/156801.ip $1.47, 3 pounds, 12 bananas. $0.12 per banana
Bread: http://www.samsclub.com/sams/grant-s...navAction=push $3.98, 40 ounces, roughly 40 servings. $0.10 per serving.
Dinner total for the week: $10.50

Overall total: $21.67

Overbudget by $1.67. You can find better deals on fish and produce locally, usually chicken as well. Especially with coupons or at the discount grocery stores.

I'm not saying that I eat like this now, but I have in the past (for even less) and would have no problem doing so in the future if I had to. It's obviously nothing fancy, but it provides you with protein, fruit, vegetables, and healthy grains. It could probably use a little bit of fat somewhere, but overall not bad.

Active people would obviously need more calories, but if you are active, you can find a way to make more than $20 for food. ;-)

Impressive! :thumbsup

TheSquealer 09-09-2012 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by helterskelter808 (Post 19178654)
Because that's not a fucking society, idiot.

Yeah, i've seen the error of my ways and in my thinking.

I like your way.

I need to start to appreciate the fact that I have to stand in line behind 20 broke fucking idiots buying lottery tickets instead of groceries, every time I walk into a gas station to get something to drink.

Of course, we all agree that people need help... except no one seems to mind taking a poor persons money by encouraging them to gamble against impossible odds with government lotteries... then encourage that behavior with 8 figure marketing campaigns. I like your world. It makes perfect sense. Start taking 80% of their money, then give them back 20% in social services. Brilliant stuff. After all, the cornerstone of Liberal thinking is that people need to be protected from themselves.. so its consistent.

I've often asked myself...

When is being poor the poor persons fault?

Never? Really? There aren't any low life douchebags that make shitty decisions? There aren't any young women having 6 kids before 25 years old and raising them as a single mother? There aren't any drug dealers that just like being drug dealers? There aren't any people drawing state/federal funds just because they can? Interesting. I always assumed the situation was more complex than it is.

According to most, anyone who rents 24" wheels for their 1500.00 car is just a victim of circumstance... .not a fucking retard. I always assumed the opposite. I see how I was wrong.

I am 100% for helping people that can be helped.

I am 100% opposed to the idea that everyone can be helped if you just throw money at them.

alias 09-09-2012 11:34 AM

Sly is one frugal motherfucker, good for you.

TheSquealer 09-09-2012 12:00 PM

LOL @ Sly. Good stuff. :)

helterskelter808 09-09-2012 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19178811)
I need to start to appreciate the fact that I have to stand in line behind 20 broke fucking idiots buying lottery tickets instead of groceries, every time I walk into a gas station to get something to drink. Of course, we all agree that people need help... except no one seems to mind taking a poor persons money by encouraging them to gamble against impossible odds with government lotteries... then encourage that behavior with 8 figure marketing campaigns.

Nobody minds? I'm surprised you do, I thought objecting to the lottery rackets would be considered "socialist". I would have them banned outright, like ponzi schemes and other scams are.

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When is being poor the poor persons fault?

Never? Really? There aren't any low life douchebags that make shitty decisions? There aren't any young women having 6 kids before 25 years old and raising them as a single mother?
It's not a case of never, obviously there are exceptions, but it's also not a case of "always", which seems to be the right-wing stance. And is it really the fault of the person bringing up the kid, rather than the deadbeat who abandons both of them?

If not, then instead of scapegoating single-moms, it should be recognized what an important job it is they're doing, for society. And if they can't do it adequately, because no father is there to help them, then everything should be done by the rest of society to help them, because helping them helps their child become a normal, functioning member of that society.

If the society stops giving a shit about people, abandons them because - for whatever reason - they're in a mess or need help, then how do you expect them to behave? What incentive is there for them to contribute to a society that doesn't give a shit about them?

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There aren't any drug dealers that just like being drug dealers? There aren't any people drawing state/federal funds just because they can? Interesting. I always assumed the situation was more complex than it is.
If you think it's more complex why are you attempting to simplify it to a few basic strawmen arguments that I haven't made? I'm sure there are people who like being dealers, because there is always going to be a criminal element in society. However we can also look at what things should and should not be crimes. If drugs were legalized, and the supply controlled, then how many people would be out there dealing?

There's no problem admitting that a tiny minority of people are 'bad' in a society, but unless that's all you're saying why bother mentioning it? Problem is many people cite the tiny minority of bad apples and use it as evidence that everyone they have an axe to grind about is the same.

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According to most, anyone who rents 24" wheels for their 1500.00 car is just a victim of circumstance... .not a fucking retard. I always assumed the opposite. I see how I was wrong.
Again, I seriously doubt that accounts for more than a tiny minority of poor people. And if people are being led to believe that what they own (or can show off) equals 'success' then it's not 100% their fault if they feel pressured or influenced into buying shit like that.

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I am 100% for helping people that can be helped.

I am 100% opposed to the idea that everyone can be helped if you just throw money at them.
I'm 100% opposed to using a tiny minority of people to draw conclusions about the majority.

DBS.US 09-09-2012 12:09 PM

Let them eat cake

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TheSquealer 09-09-2012 12:19 PM

Obviously we aren't going to agree. I'm not going to continue as i'm also working. I believe in helping people but I believe in the need for society to start holding people accountable for their behaviors and decisions. There needs to be standards and expectations. It's not OK with me for someone to pump out 6 kids by 25 as a single parent and expect me to pay for them.

Solving poverty in the USA is a two way street. It requires the active participation of society and the individual who is poor. You can't make an addict sober by throwing money at him. He has to understand he has a problem, he has to understand what the problem is. He has to understand what the solution is. He has to understand he needs to change and then want to make that change.

Walk down any street in the USA and tell a broke 25 year old that they don't need a new Iphone, expensive shoes, gold chains or nice wheels on their piece of shit car and see how far you get in changing people and their behaviors.

The US has created a society of increasingly self entitled, irresponsible and unaccountable people that have dramatically shifted in their thinking which built the nation in the last 40 years or so from "i'm going to live the american dream, work hard, sacrifice and build a better life for me and my family" to "hey man, you owe me".

....

By the way,,, yeah, I object to lotteries and gambling made easy. I don't object to gambling when someone has to have a job, save money, buy a plane ticket, hotel rent a car to do it. I object to gambling when someone with kids to feed, who is broke, unemployed or on welfare can walk into a gas station and blow their money because they are too dumb to do the very simple math and because the state is telling them its OK, because its for a good cause.

helterskelter808 09-09-2012 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 19178891)
Obviously we aren't going to agree. I'm not going to continue as i'm also working. I believe in helping people but I believe in the need for society to start holding people accountable for their behaviors and decisions. There needs to be standards and expectations. It's not OK with me for someone to pump out 6 kids by 25 as a single parent and expect me to pay for them.

I don't support that either. For one thing the population of the US is mushrooming; doubling about every 50 years. I just don't believe there are actually that many people having 6 kids by 25. Ann Romney certainly knows how pump them out though.

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Solving poverty in the USA is a two way street. It requires the active participation of society and the individual who is poor. You can't make an addict sober by throwing money at him. He has to understand he has a problem, he has to understand what the problem is. He has to understand what the solution is. He has to understand he needs to change and then want to make that change.
I don't know who you think is disagreeing with that.

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Walk down any street in the USA and tell a broke 25 year old that they don't need a new Iphone, expensive shoes, gold chains or nice wheels on their piece of shit car and see how far you get in changing people and their behaviors.
Companies spend billions brainwashing people into thinking they need shit they don't. Of course, right-wingers have no problem with that. That's what America is all about, right? No, it's about (or should be about) looking out for each other; not trying to screw the last possible cent from everyone.

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The US has created a society of increasingly self entitled, irresponsible and unaccountable people that have dramatically shifted in their thinking which built the nation in the last 40 years or so from "i'm going to live the american dream, work hard, sacrifice and build a better life for me and my family" to "hey man, you owe me".
I agree. And the man responsible for that disease of individualism, selfishness and sheer greed, Uncle Ronnie, is a hero to Republicans.

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By the way,,, yeah, I object to lotteries and gambling made easy. I don't object to gambling when someone has to have a job, save money, buy a plane ticket, hotel rent a car to do it. I object to gambling when someone with kids to feed, who is broke, unemployed or on welfare can walk into a gas station and blow their money because they are too dumb to do the very simple math and because the state is telling them its OK, because its for a good cause.
My objection is that gambling generally targets (rips off) people who can least afford it, the poor and the desperate.

TheSquealer 09-09-2012 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by helterskelter808 (Post 19178905)

I agree. And the man responsible for that disease of individualism, selfishness and sheer greed, Uncle Ronnie, is a hero to Republicans.

Yes, Ronald Reagan had the idea to give every child a participation trophy no matter how bad they suck, lowered educational standards and produced tons of children's programming where the only message is "you're special" all while making sure black families have no fathers so both kids and fathers can reunite and spend quality time together in the worlds largest prison system which we all pay dearly for.

This nation had values. Today it has no values. Ronald Reagan's message was never "its not your fault".

Believing societal problems are either the fault of, or will be solved by a political party is silly.

Though I am pretty conservative in my thinking, I hardly think republicans are going to solve anything. Nor do I think the democrats are the cause of everything. In the grand scheme of things, we are talking about generational problems and when involving politics, trying to look at them in 4 year increments. The problems and root causes of the decline of an empire are never going to be found in the White House. The USA was founded and grown by people who were hungry for success. That was the national identity. Success was what it meant to be American. Today, that idea is dead. That hunger is gone and all that is left is people holding one hand out for donations as they use the other hand to point at anything and everything besides themselves for their position.

Paul Markham 09-09-2012 02:48 PM

Go read the article and see the video. http://money.cnn.com/2012/09/05/news...html?hpt=hp_t3

They could of found better examples.

Drake 09-09-2012 11:09 PM

Sly that's terrific! :)

papill0n 09-09-2012 11:17 PM


papill0n 09-09-2012 11:21 PM

party time is coming

the old madness will end

and a new madness will begin

CurrentlySober 09-09-2012 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DBS.US (Post 19178878)

You have aroused me....

_Richard_ 09-10-2012 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 19178704)
No problem!

Note: I eat actual serving sizes. Not the make-believe serving sizes that so many Americans do with their giant bowls and plates.

Breakfast: lets be simple and say oatmeal with raisins.
Oatmeal: http://www.samsclub.com/sams/quaker-....ip?navAction= $7.58, over 100 servings. Less than $0.075 per serving.
Raisins: http://www.samsclub.com/sams/sun-mai....ip?navAction= $7.98, 60 ounces. We'll add an ounce to our oatmeal. $0.13 per serving.
I like my oatmeal with water, not milk. But feel free to splash a little milk in. Maybe have a glass of milk as well. Let's add $.50 for your milk usage.
Breakfast total for the week: $4.94

Lunch: continuing on with simplicity, we'll say grilled chicken, rice, vegetables and water.
Chicken: http://www.samsclub.com/sams/daily-c....ip?navAction= $10.98, 24 servings. $0.46 per serving.
Vegetable, we'll do canned because it's more universal, but if you stay seasonal you can get good deals on fresh vegetables: http://www.samsclub.com/sams/del-mon....ip?navAction= $8.38, roughly 30 servings. $0.28 per serving
Rice: http://www.samsclub.com/sams/kraft-m...navAction=push $5.38 (you can get cheaper than this), 72 ounces, 36 servings. $0.15 per serving.
Lunch total for the week: $6.23

Money left for dinner: $8.83

Dinner: tilapia, bread, vegetable, fruit, water
Tilapia: http://www.samsclub.com/sams/treasur....ip?navAction= $12.98, 48 ounces. 12 servings. $1.08 per serving
Vegetable: http://www.samsclub.com/sams/del-mon....ip?navAction= $5.88, roughly 30 servings. $0.20 per serving
Fruit: http://www.samsclub.com/sams/bananas-3-lbs/156801.ip $1.47, 3 pounds, 12 bananas. $0.12 per banana
Bread: http://www.samsclub.com/sams/grant-s...navAction=push $3.98, 40 ounces, roughly 40 servings. $0.10 per serving.
Dinner total for the week: $10.50

Overall total: $21.67

Overbudget by $1.67. You can find better deals on fish and produce locally, usually chicken as well. Especially with coupons or at the discount grocery stores.

I'm not saying that I eat like this now, but I have in the past (for even less) and would have no problem doing so in the future if I had to. It's obviously nothing fancy, but it provides you with protein, fruit, vegetables, and healthy grains. It could probably use a little bit of fat somewhere, but overall not bad.

Active people would obviously need more calories, but if you are active, you can find a way to make more than $20 for food. ;-)

a dream..

:thumbsup:thumbsup

Colo_bitch 09-10-2012 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by papill0n (Post 19179543)
party time is coming

the old madness will end

and a new madness will begin

poetic indeed


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