The single-girl whale yes, the one who spend all on a same girl.
But there are multi-girl whales too, these in most cases are 50+ years olds full of cash and free time with the hobby of try every and each new cam girl in the site.

Some of those guys who waste $10,000's with the girls, for then discover she live with some boyfriend, at times write to the site: "the girl X is a liar, I sent her $5000 to cure her sick brother, and I discover she got no brothers, you should fire her". One it was quite funny, he complaints he go meet her and she smoked, while she said she is not smoker!?

So we had to address this (the fact the girls will be liars and ask money but that's them idiots and not site's fault, to believe them and to send them money) in the terms of service every user agrees to - and more we print everywhere "this girl is a liar", and more the guys believe her, so that's fine on a legal standpoint for us:

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13. TRANSACTIONS, CONTACTS, AND DISPUTES BETWEEN THE USERS

... we cannot guarantee the authenticity of any data which Users may provide about themselves or relationships they may describe. Please note we are independent from any so called studio bosses, model managers, or any person or organization renting equipment to Users.
You agree that we cannot guarantee, and assume no responsibilities or liabilities for verifying, any inaccuracies, intentional or unintentional, in the information or Content provided to you by any User. This includes age, marital or relationship status, health condition, sexual preferences or habits, their feelings about you, having no children, loving you or others, betraying you or others, being a student, non drinker, non smoker, wishing to marry you or others, etc.

= this means if a girl say she love you this is a lie for sure and we told you in advance so don't complain with the site please.

No third parties, including so called studio bosses or model managers, are authorized to speak or act on our behalf.
You are warned that if you decide to send money to any User, they may not use it for the purpose declared to you, and they may be also receiving other and possibly larger amounts from other sources not stated to you. Users may urge you to donate for specific purposes, including paying for university studies, expiring loans or debts, medicines for sick relatives or other, but we advise you of the possibility of different usage for the money, such as luxury clothes and gadgets, vacation packages, gifts for local boyfriend, with whom they may live without your knowledge.

= all the examples above are took from real facts, for ex. we got a guy who sent money to a girl for sick relative medicines and she buy a motorbike to his boyfriend with that :)

You are solely responsible for your interactions with other Users. You acknowledge and agree that TubeCamGirl shall not be held responsible in any way for the outcome of any contacts outside The Service or meeting between the Users, whether in person, by telephone or any other means, resulting from or related to Video Chats use.

= if you go to meet the girl that's your problem really, we warned you

In the event that you make deals with other Users in Video Chat, including payment and delivery of goods or services, you agree that TubeCamGirl shall not be involved, and accordingly not responsible or liable. TubeCamGirl reserves the right, but has no obligation, to monitor disputes between you and other Users.
You release TubeCamGirl and its affiliates from claims, demands and damages (actual and consequential) of every kind and nature, known and unknown, suspected and unsuspected, disclosed and undisclosed, arising out of or in any way connected with such disputes, contacts or transactions outside The Service, even if negotiated using The Service.

= call us only for private chats issues, the rest we warned you not to do, bad bad kid!
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Also someone complaints the wife busted him and got a divorce which costed money we should reimbourse him (!?), so had to list this as exempt of liability we warn guys about:

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20. LIMITATION OF LIABILITY

IN NO EVENT SHALL TubeCamGirl AND ITS AFFILIATES BE LIABLE FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, CONSEQUENTIAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR PUNITIVE DAMAGES RESULTING FROM ANY LOSS, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO LOSS OF USE, DATA, PROFITS, HEALTH, ** MARRIAGE STATUS **, REPUTATION, CONFIDENTIALITY OR PRIVACY, ARISING OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE USE, MISUSE OR INABILITY TO USE THE SERVICE,
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http://www.tubecamgirl.com/terms-condition.php
http://chatgf.com/index.php?_o=Default&_m=tos

There is a filipino cam site displaying a very big text permanently on side of every page including private chat ones, that states DO NOT SEND MONEY TO THE GIRLS THEY ARE ALL LIARS, and despite this, the guys send. Further these guys think: "if the site so much does not want we to send money to the girl, it means the site is evil and wants to profit from the poor girl, so I will save her from slavery and send her all my money and I will go in heaven" or something like that.

Hilarious!! These stories are great - the cam girl business is amazing. I bet it is hard to get into though, at this point.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

when I lived in the Netherlands, there was this premium sms contact ad on the tv at night...Dutches will recognize this.. maybe they are still active after midnight... The ad displayed girls that wanted to meet for sex... There was a text under the ad saying "physical contact is not possible, these are not real girls" or something like that... and yet... I bet they made bank from guys trying to meet to with the girls by sending premium text messages :1orglaugh

I guess some guys like to be fooled... even if they are aware of it

They still have to do that yes

Do you know any that were before? now that would be great.

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Would also be news to me. :1orglaugh

has anyone ever done a documentry or something on the life of a camgirl...follow her through her day

Not really.

The name of the game, like everything else, is money (having it to start helps a lot) and running a tight ship business.. all for the sake of making money/profits.

There are still so many ways for someone to come in and "change the game" through just one of a variety of roles (ie. affiliate, cam model, cam studio, cam site, aggregation, billing, hosting, etc.) that haven't been fully realized yet.

Bottom line, all fun stories aside, the cam side of the adult industry is going to continue to grow and profit for a very long time. Its also one of the most unique, untapped and profitable sub-niches of the online adult industry as a whole.

my thoughts exactly, for example in 15 years you can pay for holographic camgirls talking, dancing, stripping and masturbating in your living room... maybe even smell and touch them. That's going to be something I would even pay for...

They would need to do it though the lives of multiple girls since there are some that are definitely not the sharpest tools in the shed, and others that are really smart.

It would be interesting to see.

I saw a mini docu on the Dutch TV.. "Lange Frans" interviewing and following a camgirl... but is was just a 20 min docu, not deep, just basic info...

but I guess a real docu... it would be a very interesting (and maybe very profitable) thing to do...

I want in :thumbsup

I disagree that there is that much possibility to change the game or realize roles.

The cam world it is quite small: the same girls got accounts in every site (splitcamming or rotating) and the same whale customers got accounts in multiple sites... often I see the same member nickname in room of modelX my site AND in room of modelX in other sites, really a small world. The guy who signed up everywhere even asks to the girl in what site to do private or tips, and usually she recommend him the site paying more % to models. But sites paying only 30%-35% to models can pay affiliates and own adverts more, and so on each cam site excels in something, kicking out anyone who wants to "realize role" further.

I mean the whale guys are addicted to cams and so they are good in find and signup every cam site and if are fixated on some models they will be in her room in every site at same time if she splitcams.

So if you launch a new cam site, how the core models and whale community will care, being it a small world? They tend to stick in the consolidated sites (unfortunately).

You should consider those guys are *REALLY* addicted in fact they write praying to close their accounts, you close, and they make a new one days after, then write asking to close, you close, and they open after a week, some made it dozen times. They can't stop much same as alcoholic or gamblers.

Just today one of them (who had closed-reopen accounts dozen times) wrote me: "please terminate my memberships from both sites immediately" , I was out of office and not replied, when I am back I see he write few hours later a second mail too: "You rude fucking faggot. CLOSE MY FUCKING ACCOUNT, ASSHOLE !!!!", but few minutes after such a second email, he had deposited $$ and booked an appointment still going, so I did not closed his account, but I also replied him, he could avoid to login himself and not to call me an asshole.
Running a cam site it is same as selling alcohool or run a casino, you need some responsibility not to serve the addicted, or they sell own home to chat.
I remember a canadian guy wrote to close account because "I am catholic, what I am doing is bad". I replied if he was sure, if he confirms... and then he replied not to close account, eventually he became atheist that same day.
With those addicted guys it is enough to be late in reply to close account notice, or ask a confirmation, and they change idea always, and anyway if account is closed, they re-open more (this however make a mess in accounting, but that's it).

By the way there's forums with cam girls and they write own stories and stuff so for further reading see this 51 pages thread:

http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sho...e-heard-on-cam

And few smaller threads:

http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sho...e-heard-on-cam

http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sho...assing-Moments

That would make a great program for cable TV.

it still blows my mind how much money people have to spend on cams and how frequently they spend

So why are so many blaming the downturn of paysite on the economy and people who promote webcams blaming Free Cams for a slump?

Seems to me that some can and some can't.

no idea probably because people like to bitch

What he said

This thread delivers!

My conversion rate with for example chaturbate is great :thumbsup
I only need 10 - 100 times more of the same traffic to make bank... that is the hard part...

100 crazy shits:pimp

Stripperweb is great - it reminds me of this site a little, except they tolerate and encourage surfers. I never post there but you can get good data.

So what are you thinking the niches are to get in? Nobody is going to put $300k into any adult biz right now (except maybe Mr. FT) but is there any crossover?

There used to be a show in Canada on Showcase called Webdreams, they would follow different people in different parts of the industry. One was this cam girl, I don't remember much about it, just that she had this super douchey do nothing skater BF who constantly gave her drama and showed up to the studio and things. I am sure you can find it online.

Welcome to the 90s. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Ringley

The cam girls in stripperweb are not nice at all with who is not a cam girl! You can write in their forum only if verified cam girl, hey do not allow to write at all unless you are one of them. Plus they fight and ban each other at times, they banned "bambalina" who was a female Paul Markham, this made the forum very boring to me, like a GFY without Paul Markham (a feminist version of).
I tried to contribute in another stripperweb area where anyone can post, only when they asked stuff regarding how running a cam site (after all it make sense everyone in their business can contribute, even the cam site guy?), but most of them will say site managers are all assholes pimps liars who steal money from the girls, and I gave up, trolls in GFY are way more bro's than those sista's.

About niches to get in... the cam biz?
The issue of cams it is the social factor, the software it is not important, and register 1000 cam girst in a week also not useful, it matters how many regular users you got and keep long term, to have any value. And to get so many regulars in a niche it is even more difficult, as the big generalistic sites got enough models per fetish section to make a separate site, see jasminfetish.com from livejasmin for example. And if your site is "no models online" most time of the day, you're dead no matter what.

I think the last timeframe to launch a cam site easily it was 2005 or perhaps 2006. Note that myfreecams is with us since 2004, it is not true that it is a "new" site, as well as livejasmin, streamate, flirt4free, imlive, everyone is from before, and that counts. Launch now it is "not easy" as minimum. I welcome the chaturbate's, bongacams's and freecamstars's and wish some will rise over the old giants, but I would not bet my cash on it :)
Much like I do not advise to launch competitors of facebook ("I got a software better than facebook" = "I got a cam site better than myfreecams"), I would never advise anyone to invest in a new cam site if I am his friend, even if he got a million dollar to invest in it and he wishes. I know of $500,000+ cam investments gone fail (domain names redirects elsewhere now, or 0 model sonline forever) in past 2 years - I will not tell who, but trust me :)

I would suggest instead to use that cash for merge & acquisition, to buy small old cam sites and consolidate. If he got several million, to buy bigger old cam sites who got revenue and members of course (not to buy dieing site - again not making names here lol).
I am saying with current competition only super corporation mega cam companies who own mega old regular customers databases can do the mega profits with scale economy. It is much like every other business, no more pioneers there.

May you question yourself why manwin buy realitykings, but naked.com cam site NOT part of the deal? May question why manwin buy everyone but cam programs, first and last one it was webcams.com back in 2010, and they do not promote it but streamate in their sites. May you question why who got money to launch or buy cam sites does not make it, and who got no money to proper launch it will launch? :)

good info as always

actually that is strange, never realized it but why don't they push their own platform webcams.com as much as possible?

With all due respect, sw is industry representative-friendly, provided one is not a virtual studio owner, isn't spamming inappropriately or misrepresents his/her role in the company. There are several industry reps on sw who have earned the respect of the community, because they contribute to our community and are upfront regarding who they are and what they hope to gain by being there.

Aside from the aforementioned examples, most of the drama occurs when site reps post about their companies and don't anticipate having to answer questions and receive critiques of their sites or business plans. Camming is a business, yet many of the site reps who post on sw treat the forum as solely an advertising venue, and treat us like errant children who are 'bitches' for asking relevant questions regarding the particulars of their sites. It's ludicrous that so many individuals do not comprehend that, when posting on an industry forum populated by saavy business women who understand the industry, site reps need to anticipate that they will receive industry-related questions and critiques.

SW doesn't work that way, and that won't change. The fact that we are tough doesn't mean we're any less supportive of each other.

adultmobile tell more people about it here.

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Add banners, content, links etc.

I read stripperweb for entertainment. There are a handful of very intelligent professionals there. HOWEVER, that forum is totally tailored to express the views of the site mods/owners so it seems like its not really a place where a person can openly express themselves without being censored which is total garbage imho.

That isn't the header you paid for is it?

Part of what I will miss the most about working at DatingGold is hearing the tales from the WebCamClub staff :)

I could show lots of my posts where girls hate as soon when figure "hey this is a cam site, he is evil". However I want to show the good side of stripperweb, in a few posts I made and they even said thanks, this one I made about how to solve a Flash bug:

http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sho...ance-cam-video

However as soon as it was made a "discussion" like those we may do in GFY, and it was made clear I run a cam site... there it comes the issue "why he is even reading our forum? he will use this information against us", even if a minority would say cam sites give them work and some are honest, then girls starting to fight each other lol.. and such Bambalina and someone else who was opinionated - but at least could make Paul Markhamish discussions with anyone including me - it was simply banned.

No, it's all my own work.

The ever-increasing interest in cams and cam-related stuff is amazing. The true future of porn. The last hope. :2 cents:

I actually think there's some truth to what you're saying, although I attribute the 'slant' of sw (so to speak) to a different source

sw is primarily a place for women who work in the sex industry (dancing, escorting, camming, PSO) so we do centralize our needs and aims. When I stated that it is an 'industry friendly' environment, I should have qualified that. SW is friendly to reps who realize that they are entering a sex-worker space and who are willing to give as much as they take (free publicity, seeking customers and cam chicas for their sites, etc)

The central aim of the camming section of sw is providing emotional support to our peers and striving to share knowledge regarding the skills required to make as much $$$$$ as is possible. We do censor virtual studio spammers, we do censor guys who post in the wrong areas, and we do centralize our needs and goals. Sometimes those goals mesh with those of industry reps, and sometimes they don't. We'll continue to ban anyone who tried to trick chicas into signing up to sites through virtual studios, for example, and we will continue to call out reps who lie about who they are. We'll also continue to mock site reps with half-baked business plans who spam sw trying to find cam chic sign-ups for their new sites. As often as not, though, when a site rep/agent/studio is called out for shady tactics, they're the ones begging for censorship. They want threads locked and deleted so that evidence of their behaviour gets erased.

I definitely don't consider sw to be 'garbage' for setting clear rules on appropriate conduct, rather, I think it's a function of having a clear mandate

As a mod on that site I can say that I strive to make decisions based on what the sex worker members of our site want from our community there, as do the other mods. I really do try not to impose my own personal opinions, but I make no apologies for making decisions based on what serves the needs of cam chicas. That's the primary aim of 'our' section of the site.

Anyway, this is the second time I've derailed this thread having a cool discussion with you, so I'll stfu now :)

back to the crazy customer stories. Why is there no 'dudes who stick q-tips in their urethras' post yet?! :)

If the SW site gets out, it could destroy the whole penis enlargement industry. hahahahah

No the header was free, this is one of the banners I paid for.

First of all, one of the moderators of stripperweb it is also an admin at my sites, but I will not tell who... I mean I respect admins of SW, the issue it is not in admins but the sole fact you can't handle a cam girls forum without end up unfairly pro-strippers, so clean from any trace of risky talk that would "cause emotional distress" :)

Ok about studio and site reps wanting to hire models with shady tactics, and it is hilarions when some scammers are exposed (including copy&paste of yahoo/icq chats, this busting it is what makes boards interesting, including GFY), but I was talking only of the other cases, that you do not talk about.

For example models banned and forever, for talking politics or being a little troll, one I remember it is Bambalina (she just said should boicott sites paying 30% and should do cam girls union so minimum payment is 50%, how cam job was better in 1990's or so, she was not more 1970's and opinionated than Paul Markham in GFY), and there are more girls that was banned. May you tell me how a model it is a site rep with shady tactics?

In GFY, Paul Marlham it was not banned, instead he got his own section :)
Ok, Rothstein it was banned, but VenusBlogger is still there, PIRIOD.
I mean I could understand censorship in islamic or catholic board, but in adult one?

About site reps, I was not banned or scolded by admins ever, as I never asked any model to join our sites, got no signature at all so no way I could even indirectly. But it is the same I was banned because you moved the cam talk to a section I can't write into, only the models can, so it is the same as banning everyone at once, and you had banned a few people who posted industry politics stuff anyway, there's only "emotional support" left, or talking badly of sites as a vent (how can a site talk here lol).

This is not just in stripperweb, I read the russian and romanian language cam girl forums and I got called a "moron" (so google translate say) quite often there too. Note the cam girls from these countries try all the sites, including ours, so they more likely write a report from experience; while stripperweb's are mostly westerns who just sit in same 3 sites: streamate, mfc, adultwork, you see it from topics. the other sites they talk bad without having tried even, just by guess.
Now, the reps of streamate, mfc etc. are not writing in stripperweb, wouldn't it be more cool if they was there writing, like that's a cooperation for everyone to be more happy and do more $$ - but they could not (if they wished), as they're not cam girls.
May I say it is like if in GFY only the verified affiliates it could write, but not the program reps. Would this make sense? no. But in stripperweb, it makes sense :)

:2 cents: My thoughts exactly.

For an industry that leans on the 1st amendment, its very fucking strange to see an adult industry forum being run the way stripperweb is. I can understand deleting spam but I've been told by multiple people that mods will actually delete your comments if they don't like your opinion or if you are too outspoken or "rude" lol.. pansies. Kinda fascist if you ask me.

EDIT: There is still good entertainment there and info for the members

I receive call from one of my models. I was surprised when she told me that she have different "work day.". The client is asked to make pancakes and spread skirt like an accordion.

Why do you care? It's their site; they can run it how they want. If you don't like it, don't go.

Why do you care what he says? It's his post; he can write it how he wants. If you don't like it, don't read it.