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Supz 11-27-2012 10:15 PM

Laura bush killed a guy

brassmonkey 11-27-2012 10:19 PM

this didnt happen in cali :1orglaugh

Mr Pheer 11-27-2012 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 19335814)
this didnt happen in cali :1orglaugh

Nobody said it did.

Rochard 11-27-2012 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Pheer (Post 19335807)
Just for Rochard, because I have a feeling he is going to keep saying a store owner or employee cannot touch you...

California Law concerning shoplifters:

Surely wouldn't be the first time I've been wrong.

Rochard 11-27-2012 11:28 PM

This is interesting...

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Because shoplifting poses a large threat to retailers, the issue of how far they can go in attempts to stop shoplifters has a long history.

Private citizens generally may not legally hold people against their will. Doing so opens the door to civil and even criminal liability for false imprisonment. However, many states have enacted statutes specifically authorizing stores and their employees to detain suspected shoplifters in certain circumstances. These laws serve to protect the stores from lawsuits claiming false imprisonment or false arrest.

Though these laws vary, store owners and their employees generally are allowed to detain an individual when they have probable cause to suspect shoplifting. However, any such detention of a suspected shoplifter must be reasonable in length and manner. Detentions without probable cause, for an unreasonable amount of time, or in an unreasonable manner may leave the store open to liability for false imprisonment and possibly other claims.

What constitutes probable cause to suspect shoplifting comes down to case by case specifics. Mere suspicion typically will not suffice. Most states require that the store or its employees have evidence which would lead a reasonable person to believe that shoplifting had occurred or was in progress. If the store bases its detention of a suspected shoplifter on information from a non-employee informer, that informer must have a reasonable basis for suspecting shoplifting.

The appropriate length of detention also comes down to case by case specifics. However, detention continued for the purpose of securing a confession from the suspect, or for the purpose of getting the suspect to sign a waiver of store liability, would be considered unreasonable under many states' laws. Such detentions could leave a store open to liability for false imprisonment.

In terms of the manner of detention, the use of excessive force may be deemed unreasonable. An unreasonable manner of detention could leave the store and its employees open to liability for false imprisonment and possibly other claims, such as assault or battery.
http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal...oplifting.html

DAMNMAN 11-28-2012 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19335096)
First off, the man was in the process of stealing so I could care less. I know that sounds harsh and that death is not a fitting punishment for stealing two DVD players, but I believe in Karma... You get what you deserve. If he wasn't stealing, he would still be alive today.

Also, I don't think he died because he was put in a choke hold. Most likely he had a heart condition or something.

And... store employees are not allowed to touch you. Ever. No matter what they are not law enforcement, cannot hold you, restrain you, or touch you in any shape or form. If they do, it's assault, plain and simple.

So if the store employees are not allowed (By Law) to put hands on a shoplifter, then the guys family will be rich. Plain and simple........ regardless of what he was doing.
Also:
If he was choked to death it was intentional, I see guys choked to sleep a couple of times a month in BJJ class and they are all still alive. When they go out ya let them go and then they recover in a couple of minutes.

tony286 11-28-2012 06:32 AM

Stopping someone from leaving is all fine.But beating shit out of him and causing his death is a different story. I dont understand why walmart doesnt hire off duty cops to deal with this for big shopping days. Fucking night clubs and office complexes here hire them. They are expensive but you got a armed cop working just for you.

TheSquealer 11-28-2012 07:18 AM

With 4,000,000 employees and being one of the worlds largest companies and definitely the largest in the world catering to thee worst elements of society, I would say its a mathematical certainty that this will happen from time to time. How many people did wallmart catch shoplifting that day alone in that store? I know that if all the merchandise stolen from wallmart annually went to another company to sell, it would put that company high on the Fortune 500 list.

Does anyone deserve to die for shoplifting? No. But how many people get chased out of wallmart's across the nation and restrained everyday? 1000? 5000? 10,000? How many per week? Per year? 1,000,000? One accidentaly died. Boo fucking hoo. Shit happens.

TheSquealer 11-28-2012 07:23 AM

Crazy that we now have a society where people think its ok to steal and no one should be able to stop you as you escape.

V_RocKs 11-28-2012 07:23 AM

Either way.... he deserved what he got... Stealing a loaf of bread? OK... Stealing because you are a shit fuck idiot? You deserve to die.

alex.missyouth 11-28-2012 07:31 AM

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/9897/picture11gip.png
:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Now seriosuly, is there really a need to use a choke fold on a guy? I mean, I'm sure the security guards were bigger than him and trained to immobilize him without using that. I think this was just an act of cruel nonsense violence, regardless of the fact that he was stealing two DVD players.

John-ACWM 11-28-2012 09:17 AM

Indeed Walmart is a scary place! :(

brassmonkey 11-28-2012 09:21 AM

ok picture this people. what if they thought you stole something and wrestled you to the ground? dead mistake? :Oh crap :helpme :disgust it can happen to anyone that shops there. :2 cents:

Tom_PM 11-28-2012 09:24 AM

Sad. But not as sad as the fat ass teacher who sat on a unruly student and he died. What was that, just a year or so ago? I'm betting these were typical overweight people leaning on the guy.. of course he's going to die. It's hard to tell when a struggle to escape has become a struggle for a breath.

RyuLion 11-28-2012 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix (Post 19334567)
i can imagine the lawyers rubbing their chops...if there is someone you want to sue....it is walmart

:2 cents::2 cents::thumbsup

mopek1 11-28-2012 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by freakcore (Post 19335693)
Due to his intention, 4 peoples lives are forever changed.

Not buying that for a second.

dillonaire 11-28-2012 11:01 AM

What im most shocked about is that this day and age someone was stealing dvd player!?!!? Dont they give DVD players out for free with the purchase of a DVD. Or go to the craigslist free section....im sure lots of people listing them for free.

brassmonkey 11-28-2012 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by gamelinkjeff (Post 19336490)
What im most shocked about is that this day and age someone was stealing dvd player!?!!? Dont they give DVD players out for free with the purchase of a DVD. Or go to the craigslist free section....im sure lots of people listing them for free.

new in box = drugs he was strung out

TheSquealer 11-28-2012 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 19336359)
ok picture this people. what if they thought you stole something and wrestled you to the ground? dead mistake? :Oh crap :helpme :disgust it can happen to anyone that shops there. :2 cents:

It can happen to anyone who is being watched and tracked by loss prevention and followed out of the store as they try to run for it and need to be restrained.

They don't randomly stop people or do it by accident. Wrongly accusing someone of shoplifting is an instant "defamation of character" lawsuit/settlement. It isn't going to "happen to anyone that shops there" and the fact that you even suggest that shows how irrational you are.

:2 cents:

escorpio 11-28-2012 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 19334555)
its going to make his family rich :2 cents:

"Mmm hmmm, dat's right! Dis here be a lawsoot! We gon' git PAID!"


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