On the liquor license stuff, simply go through a broker, or do a rent to own deal, plenty of people with 4COP liquor licenses across the country that are not using them other than for an income stream.

AmLex.com is a good place to start, or go with a food & beverage license, it's $2500 a year but you have to have some creative accounting in place to meet the typical 51/49 split of food and beverages.

50 schizos

EDIT: beat me to it :winkwink:

:error50 payments

where we can check status of our rebills and payment history?
or you have in mind to forgive them to us since the program was closed ? ;)

Shimmy dude you are totally fucked up for posting a picture like that.
Douchebag.

He admits that he can't get a job where he is, but can't leave because of his kids. He's the "porn guy" in a conservative town. The guys stuck. Unlike a newbie however, he doesn't have to start from scratch because he's sitting on what was once a very valuable asset. What would be easier to do today? Repair the reputation of a once well converting site and throw it open again to affiliates who are desperate for a known converter in a declining industry or build a new site with no reputation and have it get lost in the 100 new sites that opened yesterday? I'm gonna guess the former.

That he's paying back people is probably proof that he could make a decent living with the traffic he currently has, but knowing (or hoping) that affiliates could send a lot more traffic than he currently has, why not suck it up anonymously online for a while to get a few affiliates back?

Alarm bells should go off if he doesn't offer ccbill as an option for his new site. "Fuck me once, shame on you. Fuck me twice, shame on me." Some of you aren't going to have anyone to blame next time around except yourselves.

Good on you Shane to be a SUG. Sucks about the whole story of the bitch blowing the money. Seems a common one.

Hope you get back on your feet and Hustle to do well.

Like sandman said, you could still milk this with the right partner or sell the entire business to someone who could exploit what is left as much as possible.

Good Luck and Keep your Head High!!!

Shane, that is the right thing to do. Props to you

A paid freeones endorsement :thumbsup He's got families to feed.

Would be nice if he'd let us log to see what we are owed.

http://www.melissamoney.com/external.php?page=access

whwere can I order your music Melissa?

That's not necessary. Send him an email and he'll TELL you what you're owed. There's no reason to believe he wouldn't tell you the truth.

NOT GOOD JOKE. :mad:

ROFL. His NATS is clearly still operating as the affiliate links are still working and redirecting properly. If this guy is serious he should let us back in.

I am not sure if you were the one that called me or not but someone did yes! They called my with threats and curse words when I was already in a very tough time in my life. I am not sure if this was you again but if it was and you got that call at that moment you may have dealt with it similar as well. I am not sure again if that was you but I am far from perfect sir...

My info shows I paid everyone owned any large ammounts of money! What I am not sure about is people who were owed $25-$125.

I wish it was that easy, they pretty much make there own laws and rules here just for me! They even admitted what they are doing to me is possibly illegal but they don't care. They also reminded me they have plenty of money to fight me as long as they want and I WILL NEVER OPEN ANYTHING IN NEBRASKA IF THEY HAVE ANY SAY IN IT?. I have email from the police chief that his job is to protect the citizens of Lincoln from people like me, all because I did an adult website with me ex wife.

Yea that's not happening lol but nice try, she is 31 years old now and lives at church not happening...

In church now, but living with a boyfriend? And in the Midwest? What kind of church is it?

Nope I am also..
I feel bad for them both. I know you guys were so public and it got you a ton of traffic and sales but now you are for ever know as "porn guy"

Ok so I am paying the few people who missed getting there checks as we were closing the program! YES there were some rebills over time even a few now but very little. We had went months and months without updating the site as I had planned on closing it down so 95% of the members cancelled. I am not sure I will be paying out those few rebills that came in over the the last however many months most had like 1 rebill at best so I owe $10-$15. I am not trying to be rude or greedy! I will though pay anyone that is owed money up till we shut down. I will review the rebills and make that decision after the last few people are caught up, one thing at a time please.

The site gets like a couple thousand people a day, almost everyone removed links and stopped sending traffic right away when we shut down. Melissa's name is big enough to get a few thousand people a day but that's nothing. Some months lately I don't even hardly make enough to cover NATS, Servers and what not. Some days we are lucky to get a sale or 2 and even then a lot are $1 trials. I started mailing our members list so I could make enough to try and get things going again. I never said this is perfect but I am trying to do what I can at this point. I will pay all who missed getting checks as we were closing down. I am not asking you to love me or the situation, it's far from perfect I agree but I am trying. I have not decided yet if I am going to keep NATS or switch to CCBILL only so people know they will get paid from here on out since trust will be a big issue.

Looks to me as if somebody never planned on paying but is paying people now because they want something (to get back into the biz)

How is that the right thing to do, hes doing it to meet his agenda. Hes not doing it for you guys.

How is this any different than borrowing money off a friend, never paying them back, laughing about it, then needing a ride to the doctor and realizing that person is the only person who can help you so you pay him just to get to the doctor. Years later.

You do realize paying people back doesn't change that you stole from them. Unless they had no hidden agenda (and were stirctly doing it because they felt bad), then i could understand forgiving. But I notice in the last thread, he mentioned that he hopes people continue promoting or something like that, and also mutt just mentioned that he has a new model?

People here are idiots and forget real quick. No wonder so many people in this industry get burned

email sent.

Thats rubbish.

Lease a 4COP license and your name isn't even on it... If you want to open a bar / club badly enough you find a way to do it.

nice :1orglaugh

You sound skeptical of his motives. SHAME on you for not forgetting the past and being so cynical.

I have met with 4 different lawyers! You fail to understand Lincoln is not like any other place. It's like that crazy place out of the movies that you think to yourself that can't really be a real place. A group of about 20 people control everything here and they can stop you from getting anything they want. Here they have city ordnances that they pass to supersede all the state and federal laws. I did have a lawyer that said if I had a million dollars he would be willing to take it to the federal level and even maybe supreme court if needed but I don't have that kind of money nor do I have 3-5 years to fight it that he said it would take. It's not worth that to me but yes what they are doing it illegal but they don't care and at the end of the day I am the porn guy nobody cares...

ROFL :1orglaugh

People don't have to do anything for me, I am paying cause it's the right thing to do and I paid most of them long ago. There are very few people I owe money still! If people don't want to ever work with me again I understand completely...

Welcome to small town USA! I mean at the end of a long court battle I SHOULD win but need money for that and real money so unfortunately they win this fight!

Lincoln is far from a small town. Call Shoemoney for some cash!

You missed my point, *you* do not need to be named on the license as all you are doing is renting it off a 3rd party, the license is still owned by them, they just attach it to whichever property location you decide to open at.

Or even better still, open a corporation and have the corporation be the license holder...

Like i said, if you wanted it badly enough, you'd have been able to do something, that is what corporate veils are there for, to protect the company owners.

I do appreciate your info but it's 2 1/2 years later and all I have done is spend money be stressed out so I think I will count my losses on the club thing and move on. Too many angry sleepless nights on this one to risk even one more. Thanks again though...

interesting thread

C'mon guys, you MUST show at least some respect for this, really Shane, is good for you to be doing this. :thumbsup

Look at the may many many other fucks out there that weasel their way around not paying affiliates, some notable ones, Cash Overdrive, Aron Simpson, Jason Forrest, etc etc.

I missed a large affiliate! Special sorry to bravomedia I owed him almost $900. I don't know what to say just sorry I missed your payment but it will go out next week.

Thanks, Shane

Thats because most of them, if not all ended up getting out of the industry. He wants back in, to make more money. Thats why. If he didn't want back in, he wouldn't be giving the money back. How anyone would think otherwise is absolutely insane. If somebody has the balls to go through with ripping that many people off, you dont suddenly change your ways, and if you do, you better not expect one person to buy it if youre asking for something in return .. which he is (hey guys, you want paid back now? well hey i got a new paysite too, coincidence)

If some guy stole your car, drove it for a year, then loses his ability to drive, gives it back and asks you to do a favor for him. you'd laugh. you would turn him in and probably smash his face in. and definitely not forgive and say he realized what he did was wrong. lol

but in this case, he gives money back years later and then people go back to promoting him to make him money. lol its laughable

I expected you to see a scumbag as what he is. Very surprising. Though maybe youre just biased at the current time because youre just happy your getting your money back. Doesn't change who he is or his motives and people who help him make even more money are ridiculous

Its all about himself, he makes more money paying some people back and having a job again, and he realized this. Nothing to do with morals or ethics. If he gets another chance where he comes out on top, he'd rip people off again

I paid back most everyone months ago, before I even knew if I was going to ever do this again! Yes I do have a new girl I am shooting but anyone that?s been in this business knows she could flake out at anytime nothing is certain. The big difference is now I own the company myself no more Melissa saying this or that or spending all the money. Everything is on me now! I am paying the last few people because it?s the right thing to do, to be honest I am not even sure I going to really use affiliates again. I may promote it on my own with tub sites and buy my own spots I have not decided yet. I have a question do I owe you money? If I don?t than I don?t get it why would speak for the people I do? I am not trying to argue with you just curious I never understood people who post about stuff that has nothing to do with them. If I do owe you money then please send me an email so I can get you paid. Thanks, Shane

Have any of them come back and asked you for your traffic again?

Paying people back IS the right thing to do. Giving the guy serious props for paying what he OWES to people? Yeah, not so much.

I notice freeones has a bunch of links up to Melissa Midwest. I'm guessing that's bringing him some nice traffic. Traffic I'm assuming he wouldn't have gotten had he not paid them. He's using THAT traffic to get funds to pay off lower tier affiliates. Once everyone is paid he should be making pretty decent money. There was a very self serving reason for him to pay people back in there somewhere I'm sure.

Had the guy had shown up out of the blue and handed freeones and/or everyone else their cash and walked away without asking any of them for anything in return, then the guy would have deserved the respect some of you are showing him.

The program has shut down before based on the "nature of the market and the acceptance for a solo girl site in today's marketplace"...

What's to stop him from doing the exact same thing again this time once the site is rolling? I wasn't aware the "nature of the market or acceptance of a solo girl site" was better today than the day they decided "There will be no more payments". He's come to the well again and anyone sending him traffic is just asking for it to happen again. THIS time they deserve what they get.

You will use affiliates again. And you are apologizing to be able to get them again and debating this with you is pointless considering nobody is going to admit to doing what i am accusing you of.

Thats interesting, opinions of people can only be had by ones that were ripped off? Where is the logic there.

People who rip people off in this industry affect almost everybody when they do so (indirectly). Not sure if youre intelligent enough to figure that out on your own but i run a program and i run an honest one and there is a TON of transactions made in adult build on trust. I pay my designers, grunt workers, do deals with photogs, etc - its all done on trust. When you have programs screwing people over, it makes a huge mark on the industry and people have to chagne the way they do business. For example, if i had started up with nats at the start, i dont even think i'd be close to as successful as i am now, because of all the programs that were ripping affiliates off. They simply stick to ccbill programs now. Solo Converts being one of those programs to rip people off and they had a similar name to mine as well, so that didn't help either. Treating affiliates like crap has an effect on everybody.

Nevermind that i am friends with alot of people you owe money to and its human nature to not want friends to be ripped off.

How you cannot think of examples like these by yourself and actually have to ask me says alot.

And you know what, even if it didn't affect me, i would still have an opinion and try to help people out in order to promote change.

Everyday, everyone gives opinions on things that dont have any immediate effect on them. Again, its human nature. Doesn't make their opinions hold any less weight. If anything, the opinions of those that aren't directly affected are less biased

I don't want to argue with people about this is was MY bad! I did something wrong and I understand some people won't trust me ever again. I appreciate those who might and to those that don't I get that too. I am sorry I don't have any right to argue with any of you just a long day, week, month and year. Again I am very sorry! Shane

whatever happened to foxy jacky?

She got mad because she thought she was prettier than Melissa and couldn't understand why she hadn't made a million dollars by month number 8. I don't get it, Melissa and I didn't make shit the first couple years in the business but all these girls thought it just happens overnight. Her husband told her to quit if we were going to pay her that much and so she did :(

Shane, you're totally doing the right, responsible, professional thing. That's something that has always been in short supply in this racket :thumbsup

there is no money in porn

How many joins did Mellisa's site used to do a day in in its prime?
What kinda coin was it pulling a month

Welcome back and good luck mate..
If you are shooting girls NOW. Get them going on the big tube already

Start uploading to xhamster and do a full profile. Make custom videos for the cutes and fans. You can build traffic and a fan base then when your site is live boom instant sales.

There are total amateurs on xham getting 1000's of views a day on videos and not even promoting anything

It did almost a million gross one year so almost $500k clear but that was a good 5 plus years ago and I was working 100 plus hours a week for that. We had 3 pretty good years total not as good as that one but the more we made the more she spent lol. I mean I know these sites can still make money but I just wanted out of the business I lost the only girl I ever loved, friends, family and so on. I am still not 100% back but it's the only thing I really know how to do. I plan to have the new girl do whatever it takes and I think she will do it. I guess we will see!

The way to figure this out would be to everyone have access to nats again.