People don't have to do anything for me, I am paying cause it's the right thing to do and I paid most of them long ago. There are very few people I owe money still! If people don't want to ever work with me again I understand completely...

Welcome to small town USA! I mean at the end of a long court battle I SHOULD win but need money for that and real money so unfortunately they win this fight!

Lincoln is far from a small town. Call Shoemoney for some cash!

You missed my point, *you* do not need to be named on the license as all you are doing is renting it off a 3rd party, the license is still owned by them, they just attach it to whichever property location you decide to open at.

Or even better still, open a corporation and have the corporation be the license holder...

Like i said, if you wanted it badly enough, you'd have been able to do something, that is what corporate veils are there for, to protect the company owners.

I do appreciate your info but it's 2 1/2 years later and all I have done is spend money be stressed out so I think I will count my losses on the club thing and move on. Too many angry sleepless nights on this one to risk even one more. Thanks again though...

interesting thread

C'mon guys, you MUST show at least some respect for this, really Shane, is good for you to be doing this. :thumbsup

Look at the may many many other fucks out there that weasel their way around not paying affiliates, some notable ones, Cash Overdrive, Aron Simpson, Jason Forrest, etc etc.

I missed a large affiliate! Special sorry to bravomedia I owed him almost $900. I don't know what to say just sorry I missed your payment but it will go out next week.

Thanks, Shane

Thats because most of them, if not all ended up getting out of the industry. He wants back in, to make more money. Thats why. If he didn't want back in, he wouldn't be giving the money back. How anyone would think otherwise is absolutely insane. If somebody has the balls to go through with ripping that many people off, you dont suddenly change your ways, and if you do, you better not expect one person to buy it if youre asking for something in return .. which he is (hey guys, you want paid back now? well hey i got a new paysite too, coincidence)

If some guy stole your car, drove it for a year, then loses his ability to drive, gives it back and asks you to do a favor for him. you'd laugh. you would turn him in and probably smash his face in. and definitely not forgive and say he realized what he did was wrong. lol

but in this case, he gives money back years later and then people go back to promoting him to make him money. lol its laughable

I expected you to see a scumbag as what he is. Very surprising. Though maybe youre just biased at the current time because youre just happy your getting your money back. Doesn't change who he is or his motives and people who help him make even more money are ridiculous

Its all about himself, he makes more money paying some people back and having a job again, and he realized this. Nothing to do with morals or ethics. If he gets another chance where he comes out on top, he'd rip people off again

I paid back most everyone months ago, before I even knew if I was going to ever do this again! Yes I do have a new girl I am shooting but anyone that?s been in this business knows she could flake out at anytime nothing is certain. The big difference is now I own the company myself no more Melissa saying this or that or spending all the money. Everything is on me now! I am paying the last few people because it?s the right thing to do, to be honest I am not even sure I going to really use affiliates again. I may promote it on my own with tub sites and buy my own spots I have not decided yet. I have a question do I owe you money? If I don?t than I don?t get it why would speak for the people I do? I am not trying to argue with you just curious I never understood people who post about stuff that has nothing to do with them. If I do owe you money then please send me an email so I can get you paid. Thanks, Shane

Have any of them come back and asked you for your traffic again?

Paying people back IS the right thing to do. Giving the guy serious props for paying what he OWES to people? Yeah, not so much.

I notice freeones has a bunch of links up to Melissa Midwest. I'm guessing that's bringing him some nice traffic. Traffic I'm assuming he wouldn't have gotten had he not paid them. He's using THAT traffic to get funds to pay off lower tier affiliates. Once everyone is paid he should be making pretty decent money. There was a very self serving reason for him to pay people back in there somewhere I'm sure.

Had the guy had shown up out of the blue and handed freeones and/or everyone else their cash and walked away without asking any of them for anything in return, then the guy would have deserved the respect some of you are showing him.

The program has shut down before based on the "nature of the market and the acceptance for a solo girl site in today's marketplace"...

What's to stop him from doing the exact same thing again this time once the site is rolling? I wasn't aware the "nature of the market or acceptance of a solo girl site" was better today than the day they decided "There will be no more payments". He's come to the well again and anyone sending him traffic is just asking for it to happen again. THIS time they deserve what they get.

You will use affiliates again. And you are apologizing to be able to get them again and debating this with you is pointless considering nobody is going to admit to doing what i am accusing you of.

Thats interesting, opinions of people can only be had by ones that were ripped off? Where is the logic there.

People who rip people off in this industry affect almost everybody when they do so (indirectly). Not sure if youre intelligent enough to figure that out on your own but i run a program and i run an honest one and there is a TON of transactions made in adult build on trust. I pay my designers, grunt workers, do deals with photogs, etc - its all done on trust. When you have programs screwing people over, it makes a huge mark on the industry and people have to chagne the way they do business. For example, if i had started up with nats at the start, i dont even think i'd be close to as successful as i am now, because of all the programs that were ripping affiliates off. They simply stick to ccbill programs now. Solo Converts being one of those programs to rip people off and they had a similar name to mine as well, so that didn't help either. Treating affiliates like crap has an effect on everybody.

Nevermind that i am friends with alot of people you owe money to and its human nature to not want friends to be ripped off.

How you cannot think of examples like these by yourself and actually have to ask me says alot.

And you know what, even if it didn't affect me, i would still have an opinion and try to help people out in order to promote change.

Everyday, everyone gives opinions on things that dont have any immediate effect on them. Again, its human nature. Doesn't make their opinions hold any less weight. If anything, the opinions of those that aren't directly affected are less biased

I don't want to argue with people about this is was MY bad! I did something wrong and I understand some people won't trust me ever again. I appreciate those who might and to those that don't I get that too. I am sorry I don't have any right to argue with any of you just a long day, week, month and year. Again I am very sorry! Shane

whatever happened to foxy jacky?

She got mad because she thought she was prettier than Melissa and couldn't understand why she hadn't made a million dollars by month number 8. I don't get it, Melissa and I didn't make shit the first couple years in the business but all these girls thought it just happens overnight. Her husband told her to quit if we were going to pay her that much and so she did :(

Shane, you're totally doing the right, responsible, professional thing. That's something that has always been in short supply in this racket :thumbsup

there is no money in porn

How many joins did Mellisa's site used to do a day in in its prime?
What kinda coin was it pulling a month

Welcome back and good luck mate..
If you are shooting girls NOW. Get them going on the big tube already

Start uploading to xhamster and do a full profile. Make custom videos for the cutes and fans. You can build traffic and a fan base then when your site is live boom instant sales.

There are total amateurs on xham getting 1000's of views a day on videos and not even promoting anything

It did almost a million gross one year so almost $500k clear but that was a good 5 plus years ago and I was working 100 plus hours a week for that. We had 3 pretty good years total not as good as that one but the more we made the more she spent lol. I mean I know these sites can still make money but I just wanted out of the business I lost the only girl I ever loved, friends, family and so on. I am still not 100% back but it's the only thing I really know how to do. I plan to have the new girl do whatever it takes and I think she will do it. I guess we will see!

The way to figure this out would be to everyone have access to nats again.

There are less than 10 people owed money still so I think we will be able to figure it out ok!

bulshit, give us access to nats!

+1 to those 10. fuck what your nats says, I want my money.

P.S. - I never threatened anyone on the phone, and if calling you a thief is a curse word, so yes I cursed. I also asked for my money and you told me to fuck off and said you don't owe me shit.

i agree...!

this thread need more photos

So why not give everyone access to their accounts and put them all at peace of mind? Meanwhile, those remaining 10 people can contact you for final payout.

I don't get how things went from "we tried to open a night club", "she was recording and trying to start a music career" and "look at my pretty new Hummer" to "yeah, she's a bitch, it's all her fault, lets just move on" and "nothing to see here, no reason to give everyone access to their stats to check their accounts"

Melissa is not working on Sundays please give her a break

I will forgo my payout for a hug Melissa

You missed the point let me explain. People still have links up sending you traffic making you sales. Is it fair to not pay them on new sales?

First step is paying what you owe congrats but rev share means people expect to get paid as long as the site is online not as long as you decide you want to run an affiliate program.

So lets move on to step two reinstate your affiliate program and pay affiliates via a third party such as ccbill.

Yes, totally fair, considering the program has been closed a while now.

That'd be like saying you want to get payments from sales you make to Platinum Bucks, Sic Cash, etc after those programs have been dead for so long too.

Just because people still have links up, does not mean they should be getting paid for those sales, they were informed the program closed its doors, it is their responsibility to make sure links are taken down

Nobody has to keep links up with made it very clear what we were doing! There are days where we are lucky to even break even on the site right now almost nobody is sending any traffic we get a few thousand people a day and as big as Melissa's name was that's nothing you are talking 1-3 sales a day. Once everyone is paid I will decide what I want to do next and if you want to promote us thank you and if not I get it. Shit with fraud and chargebacks some of your are not even owed anything at this point. I will pay everyone that emails me what they are owed from when we stopped paying till we closed and that's it, there is very little more owed to anyone.

Melissa never worked on Sundays but I always did! Everyone who is still owed money will be getting checks next week. Again I will say it I know it's not fair or perfect and if I had enough money to pay everyone everything I would right now BUT I DON'T HAVE IT. If things go well and I get money rolling in again I will def look into paying back rebills but for now that's not even worth talking about. I can't do it right now fair or not but please understand there is a lot less money than you think. We nailed with chargebacks when we shut down as we didn't update for months and months.

I didn't have shit to give you Melissa had pretty much took it all so there was nothing! What I had saved for myself was lost about a year before in my club I was trying to open! There is no money tree if the money is not there it can't be paid out. Send your info and you will get paid now! As much shit as you are talking do I owe you millions? I will pay you just send you info to [email protected]

Like I said I will send you screen shots if you want to see the numbers! Easy enough right?

We're thinking about opening the program again - but no access to nats
We're paying everyone back - but no access to nats to see what you're owed
We'll even take screenshots - but no access to nats to verify
Any question you ask - no access to nats

Once a scammer always a scammer.

fool me once, shame on ... you

fool me twice.. shame on, you can't fooled again

First of all if I don?t owe you money please can worry about your own stuff! I know all about people stealing money, when Melissa and I first started out we had a guy take us for almost $250k. Now that hurt not only was it $250k it was the first real money we eve made on the site or anywhere for that matter. Melissa got arrested the site blew up and he took all the money it made and ran! We sued and won a judgment for $113k that was all we could actually prove. Now I was pissed so I get it I was beyond pissed we were poor and that was so much money. It hit a point though were I would have been happy with even a portion of it shit even a real sorry would have been nice but all I got was papers from his attorney saying he was filing bankruptcy and and we would never get a penny of it. This is the main reason I am paying I hated that feeling and if I had enough money right now to pay rebills as well I probably would but I don?t. If this isn?t good enough for you I get it but it?s all I can do right now! Please email if you are one of the few I still owe money too and it will be mailed next. This will be one of my last posts in here as I think people know what I am able and willing to do at this time. Thanks to those of you who have been very cool and understanding I do appreciate it more than you know. Shane

So who's posting as Melissa?

It is Shane.