Oh, I see the deal now. Josh has a PornMD search field on his tube and PornMD is owned by Manwin. I was wondering how he could get Eric to pull his info.

Sad truth: If these people added in ads for the site they are stealing from those sites would get 5 to 20 signups a day. Even with the 100% free video playing on the page. But to do so would break safe harbor. So they cannot do that without iron clad agreements with each producer. Which isn't going to happen.

Sites like Beeg make mad cash for sponsors.

Wouldn't surprise me if part of the $60 Billion in Hurricane Sandy Funds is earmarked for his street. lol

Very true. Most tubes are realizing there's more money working with producers rather than stealing their content to sell ads but most have burned that bridge.

It might take awhile but this business model will eventually bite them in the ass.

There are so many other ways, outside of Copyright, to go after guys like him.

We don't want to post them here - but anybody that wants to hire lawyers and attack is welcome to contact me.

[email protected]

Whoops they have download buttons its all over the world by now

Email sent. I'd like to hear more about this. Thanks.

No they haven't. Any producer would be dumb to not work with Pornhub. It's leaving money on the table, even if pornhub had their content all over their sites previously.

Ask Dean Capture.

Unfortunately its not a scandal, piracy is "accepted" nowdays. Its normal that guys like crakrevenue funds piracy sites like this and at the same time are getting "company of the year" awards.
And thanks for confirming it is direct ad buy with this site, I guess they would stop pretending "they did not know" because of the many ad buys they do :1orglaugh

I'm not saying Tubes don't convert because they do. I submit sample clips to many legit tubes and get good traffic/sales from many of them. Many are affiliates of mine and are making good money so that's a win-win. Tubes are obviously replacing MGPs and they work well.

My beef is seeing pages upon pages of my full-length videos posted. To add insult to injury, they crop out my watermark and often add another url. When I contact the owner of that site, they play dumb like it wasn't them. Now I know why they steal, they're not smart enough to do anything else.

He brags about his Alexa rank like it's a hard earned achievement. That would be like a thug bragging about how much money he makes mugging people. I'm not impressed.

Tubes are here to stay, there's no dispute over that but if they want content then they have to play by the producer's rules.

Fitty Motherless threads:pimp

I was redirected there for the first time last week.. I didn't see anything illegal but there was definitely some gross underage girls in skimpy clothes.. That shouldn't be legal.

When I say "illegal", I'm referring to using stolen content to sell ads.

Those who cannot create, steal!

There will be lots more because I'll bump this thread every time I have to submit a DMCA to Motherless. I know how much Mr. Josh Lange likes to get traffic regardless of the method.

Nice work Josh!

http://newswire.xbiz.com/view.php?id=136474

:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

You would think that after getting sued several times for doing something you know is wrong, you would find something else to do for a living.

Motherless' operator, Joshua Lange, and 20 John Does, presumably advertising business partners, also were named to the suit filed at U.S. District Court at Los Angeles

-> john does... all adult programs, could be any of us

It might be the gang from Jersey Shore! Fake tan isn't cheap these days.

If Motherless thought the heat was on last week he is in for a shocker this year.

:2 cents:

I still think motherless is not so especially bad, compared to the average tube, regarding copyright or questionable content.
It got several dog and horse sex or scat videos, some young looking gurl, but that's quite common to so many tubes, check nonktube.com , videarn.com just to list a couple, but I could list dozens or hundreds, so what's all this crucifixion of motherless now that's hypocritical and by the way the site is there from years.

Commercial content is banned on videarn, if you see any then it should be reported to be removed. We're already setting up agreements with many copyright holders to upload / promote their content.

You can ask many copyright holders and removal services that we work with that they get a response and content removed in less than 24hrs (usually 1-2hrs) as well as it being banned. We also actively seek out content on a continued basis to be removed.

On top of all this we have an MD5 database of banned content which we're looking to share with agencies to combat bad content as well digital finger-printing we're developing in-house which is a lot more reliable than MD5...

So... Please do not try and tar us with the same brush as motherless!

Thank you.

We could put that database to use right away. If you'd be so kind as to email us details enforcement (at) copycontrol.org

Mailing you now with info / database.

Sounds like a good system.

Well I wanted to kick the discussion, just throw there a few other tubes and see, are these all so better than motherless... if that's it, well, nice to hear.

Let me throw some more.. it is fully random really, for example vid2c:

http://www.vid2c.com/videos?o=mv

I see there a 25 minutes long naughty america clip online from 1376 days, and a brazzers one 28 minutes from 1201 days, unsure that's authorised promo clips?
The site is full of ads from streamate, xlovecam and the exoclick thing (I even advertised in vid2c via exoclick, not shy to tell it here, was I a criminal?).

Let me see another one:

http://www.eroprofile.com/m/videos/popular/month

Clips there seems not amateur but also too long to be promos, I may be wrong.

Now these 2 can write a post here, and I throw other 2, and so on we continue until 2014... just saying.

Ok let me be more clear what's my point: I am not a copyright holder, and copied content does not affect my business, I think. I am an advertiser, I buy $xx,000 per month of traffic for cam site. So as part of my job, I contacted all the tubes, include motherless, videarn, and those I did not emailed/ICQ directly I dealt via exoclick, trafficjunky, trafficholder, trafficshop, plugrush and so on, I got account in every one broker. Advertised for a while everywhere, include pornhub, xvideos, xhamster and so on, like every other cam program I know of - just with less budget.
So my point it is, when I go to buy in a traffic broker, they have no any indication I am buying from pirate video page or from legitimate video page, that's all togehter. Also when I go to make direct deals with a site, I am not supposed to browse pages of videos and to recognise what is copyrighted and what not, or the age of girls is over 18, or there is no scat dog sex while rape an horse. I barely can follow the buy of links and check stats for conversion.
But then I see site X been sued, and there 20 john does (the advertisers) included in the list of bad guys. Now there is 2 layers before of the final advertiser john doe: 1) the site, who hosts the bad thing and should remove it, and 2) the broker ad network, who display my banner in the bad page when I choice "US traffic" and runs on whole network, even I wanted to skip a bad site I knew, I should try blacklist filters or complicated things like that, and still how I know 1000 site domain names... in other thread I posted a whole dozen of file locker hosted dvd rips that was (and still are) in skim traffic broker network I use often.
So you see my point, as a buyer of ads, there's no any way to know you buy on legit or illegal pages, unless you do a super research yourself which you have no time to do and anyway it seems even the most experts out there in GFY don't provide as a list.
Would AK / stopfilelocker or other entity make a list of good and bad tubes/skim domains, updated weekly, and ad networks provide this as pre-made whitelist/blacklist filter, we as advertisers could select "Only legal sites" or "All, include illegal", would save us time and be in john doe accused lists.
PS: I never advertised on torrent sites like piratebay... this is easy to skip (but lots cam ads there... not ours)

Theft is theft and it doesn't matter where in the chain you are.

People who don't produce content never understand this part and they just assume it's ok because everyone else is doing it.

Can you imagine what this world would be like if all thieves just got a warning or were just told to put the product back after stealing it? That's essentially what DMCA is. It's not even a slap on the wrist. For that matter, it's not even a warning because they aren't registered anywhere to be compiled.

People who steal are greedy and the best way to punish greedy people is to hit them where it hurts the most, in the wallet.

Wow...I should sell my username to them. I only use this name because I used to have Porn.md.

One could answer: people who don't buy adverts, never understand it is not always easy to figure the traffic you buy comes from theft or not.

True. If you don't know then that's completely different than someone who owns a tube and claims to not know what's on it.

It's the whole "it wasn't me" reply that gets me. Of course I know it wasn't Josh that uploaded my videos. He pays upload monkeys from some shit bag third world country to do that. I wouldn't expect a lazy thief to do much of anything.

They might just take it from you.

The idiot is even using an unlicensed copy of JW Player. Might as well steal from everyone I guess.

LOL, good eye! How lame can one person be?

I bet Longtail wouldn't be too happy about that but then again they might not care because it's watermarked.

All I have to say is "You mess with the bull, you get the horns".

Hey Josh Lange, I just wanted bump your favorite thread to let you know I submitted another DMCA for another one of my stolen videos. I noticed that the uploaders are still active on your site despite the numerous DMCA's submitted. Nice work of preventing further copyright issues.

You'll be happy to know that they are talking about passing the "It wasn't me" law that protects people who want to help others commit crimes but don't want to take responsibility for them. This new law will even over-ride DNA evidence. Regardless of the crime, all you have to say is "It wasn't me" and bam...you're off the hook and back in business! Cool huh!

Add another 3 stolen videos to that but don't worry, you're still protected under DMCA as well as "It wasn't me" regardless of the quantity so you're good buddy.

You have a lot of content there and it's getting to be time consuming sifting through all the stolen videos but I think I got all my recent ones.

I BANGED CLAUDIA-MARIE!:thumbsup