Russia is virtually impossible to conquer... Even for the US...

Agree, I was on a Pershing missile crew set up live 3 months out of the year, every time the klaxton blew for an eval count / training exercise my asshole puckered

In case of WW3 no one will left alive

We have a special word for it here... corruption.

Not only "as the last resort" (system Perimeter AKA "dead hand"). As you know, Russia has no air carriers. Furthermore we have no other weapon other than tactical nukes to fight the US air carriers. This means that according to the Russian war doctrine in case of war conflict with the USA, nukes will be used almost inevitably :2 cents:

I'm a Russian officer in reserve, BTW.

is dead hand still operational?

I wouldn't underestimate the organizational committee's tact and roach like qualities.

Actually I don't know, but I don't think it could just disappear...

well,imo, since the russians have scorched the earth in both world wars, i wouldn't doubt the program is online based on that fact alone. complete destruction has worked for russia in past wars, no reason for them to think things would be any different.

Nuke war is END OF WORLD war, nothing normal will left on this planet, who needs that?

http://i.imgur.com/yPrCmse.gif:Oh crap

The United States owes both of them massive debt. They can crush us economically without ever firing a single shot.

Much like in World War II with the Soviets. Germany was technologically superior. Russia still overran them.

:2 cents:

Agreed on all accounts.

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Not true at all. They go to war with the US and all of those debts are instantly wiped out. At the same, we'll stop buying products from them. Their economy would instantly die, while ours would be expanding PLUS on a war footing.

i don't think it would be instant

The largest Chinese partners in billions of US Dollars for 2011 are as follows:
Region Exports Imports[1] Total trade Trade balance
European Union 356.0 211.2 567.2 +144.8
United States 324.5 122.2 446.7 +202.3
Hong Kong 268.0 15.5 283.5 +252.5
ASEAN 170.1 192.8 362.9 -22.7
Japan 148.3 194.6 342.9 -46.3
South Korea 82.9 162.7 245.6 -79.8
India 50.5 23.4 73.9 27.1
Russia 38.9 40.3 79.2 -1.4
Taiwan 35.1 124.9 160.0 -89.8


we're not china's biggest and only customer.

The United States and China end up in war. Seeing aside what is currently due to China, which is most enough to destroy their economy, Do you think the European Union, Japan, and South Korea would continue buy products from China even if they were physically able (meaning shipping was still possible).

The way I see that scenario playing out is a large percent of China instantly idled while the US suddenly has to start making all of the cheap crap we used to buy from China....

Not to mention the flow of oil to China would stop pretty quick too.

No the opposite. Hitler knew the only way Germany could win a war against Russia was by a sneak surprise attack, Stalin had purged the Russian military and was woefully unprepared for war - Hitler signed a non-aggression pact with Russia. Then of course quickly invaded and overran the Russians pushing very close to Moscow. Hitler thought he could defeat Russia within a few short months. Like he was wrong about everything else he was wrong about Russia. He couldn't defeat them when Russia was at its weakest. He also thought Britain would be his ally. A complete kook. And the German people deserve more blame than they've been given. The world went light on them.

Once the Allies opened up a second front in Europe the Germans knew it was game over - there were many plans inside the Third Reich to assassinate Hitler to get out of the war and attempt to save their own asses.

Yup. Hitler spread himself too thin. The deeper you go into Russia, the longer the supply lines you need to support them. He lost air superiority eventually, then the Allies started taking out his infrastructure- bombing oil fields and what not. The lack of resources meant they could never win. As for the German people, only 44% of them voted for the National Socialist Party (Nazis). When the Nazis came to power, they outlawed all other political parties.

With respect to WWIII. I am not one to say never, but I don't think its likely between the super powers. The world has come a long way in 70-80 years. Our quality life, as well as the quality of life of Chinese and other major super powers has come a long way. The costs of war are too high relative to living a happy life on Facebook, listening to music, etc. In today's world, you only have to worry about the crazies - i.e. the religious (terrorists), North Korea, etc. I don't think Russia / China / or anywhere in Latin America is really an issue. We have a few problem spots, and only because the quality of life in those areas is still trash.

Guess what happens when Afghanistan, and North Korea get real bandwidth, the internet, Facebook, and a better quality of life. All of a sudden, they won't want to kill everyone... they'll most likely want to make as much $ as possible, watch porn, fuck hot bitches, and do what everyone else wants to do in life, and not blow each other up - unfortunately the people in power prefer to keep their people repressed. :2 cents:

Yep who needs self determination when you can have trinkets

I know we all got used to USA attacking only thousands times weaker countries so you think it is easy. If there is no air superiority like in all those "small" wars, there is no chance to be easy. I saw it my country how it looked like and it is not even near easy what you think it is. (it was promised that war will be over in several days and it lasted almost 80 with complete air supremacy. Ended with bombing of markets ,civilians, hospitals,schools and factories started as retaliation of NATO for not being able to destroy army by force) In case of war with Russia , there would be no chance to control sky or have those blackmail scenarios. Hitler also thought that he will crush unprepared Russians with his advanced technologies and war machine and we all know how it ended for him. So, I think it will never happen. In case of some war on that scale, it would be end of the world anyway and no one would be so stupid to start it. If we managed to survive cold war without nuclear conflict, it won't happen now anyway. With internet, access to information changed and it is harder to control masses and stop them find info from other side like it was possible before ( I still see often here that many people don't even try to find relevant info when there is some conflict, buy anyway,it is much different then before).

What bothers me more then theme of this thread is why would someone would even start it? Where is that wish for killing and destruction is coming from? Why don't you all enjoy what we have in peace instead of planing more devastation or even think about it.I am voting for development of economy, education, fun (less tube sites ) and wish all the best to people that don't like wars and weapons. There is so much nice things in USA, Russia, China....rest of the world.Why would anyone want to destroy all that?

Well said :2 cents:

Keep this to yourselves...but rumor has it...that Chinese restaurants all across the US are planning a sneak attack next New Years eve...with the egg rolls. Something about tainted pigs broth and opium laced anthrax raised beef.

In theory it sounds good and I agree but on field, there are ethnic groups denying to integrate into society. Happened in Kosovo, for many years it was a black hole sucking money from all Yugoslav republics to please them and make them cooperate and live normally. Many of them accept but then you have extremists (terrorists) that start killing people cooperating with authorities and efforts are easily ruined. Worst is when population is not educated and usually religion is there strong and that is when shit start developing.

This is why internet, free access to information, social networks and even such "bad things" as adult sites are very important to turn radicals into normal people. Actually they just stuck in the past so only the modern technologies will help to bring them into the modern world. IMHO.

I agree. In some countries internet is considered a human right. I think in Finland (but I am not sure). But you always have someone profiting from having constant problem and conflict and supporting extremists and radicals.

It is hard to calculate who will win when both sites have nukes,a entire planet could be destroyed before declaring victory of anyone.

hitler had lost the eastern front before his supply lines stretched out, in fact, before the invasion ever commenced....he never asked for approval of operation barbarossa, he assumed the russians would collapse and demanded a plan based on that. he didn't realize they had no modern roadway system either. so they had to rely on russian railways. these are catastrophic errors.

real bandwidth does not equal a better quality of life. they have *bandwidth* in those countries now and we pipe our tv shows and kardashians in over there and guess what, they resent us for it. not to mention the drones flying over their heads killing their brothers and sisters.


unfortunately, jamming the american way of life down an afghani's throat isn't gonna make them love us.