that's why its a issue now! the guns are now aimed at white folks :2 cents:

It DOES NOT MATTER who YOU Trust. Hide in your house then.
You can not pass judgment and restrict people rights because you do not trust them.

The people you need to worry about are the Criminals and the crazies, not the legal law abiding citizens.

No I do wish they had more Training, BUT, using the killings by criminals and crazies is not the way to go about getting it done. Those 2 have nothing to do with each other.

You are more scared of someone you don't trust than a criminal, what a mind twist.

Sure accidents happen and I am sure road rage has involved guns as well, no law will stop that either. I am also sure LOTS more bad things happen from crazies and criminals than accidents.....

I have, it took a 6'3" asshole in a bar last October to sneak up behind me and smash a beer mug in my face. He's getting sentencing tomorrow. Still don't know why he did it. He was 2 beds over in the ER getting his hand looked at from the damage of the broken glass when I told the cops what he looked like. I never even took a knee.

I'm more worried about my mother or my daughter, that's why they have carry permits.

So some guy kicked the shit out of you in a bar and that's your hand to hand combat training?

LOL this has 0 to do with any assault weapons laws

that's the reality of it.. why do you think taking away guns will change human behaviors... just curious about that...

cool... BTW 90% of the people you see on the road are on meds :thumbsup ever consider talking your gun to the movies? personally I don't go to movies and haven't in years

For some reason, I don't know why, I decided to look at your post, anytime you want to question my hand to hand training, do it in person!

Or at least get some reading skills, pertaining to the statement, he came at me from behind, no training will prepare you for a coward, I'm sure you can relate

That's the example you gave when he asked you if you ever had hand to hand training you delusional fuck.

Guys, I think it is time to head over to Firearms Commerce and buy guns!

:2 cents:

I love statements that don't make sense, there are

Federal gun law in 2005:
93,354 words in 271 numbered statutes

Arizona gun law in 2006:
36,645 words in 183 numbered statutes

Virginia gun law in 2006:
45,494 words in 191 numbered statutes

Texas gun law in 2005:
49,442 words in 226 numbered statutes

California gun law in 1998:
158,643 words in 541 numbered statutes

Florida gun law in 1998:
46,585 words in 229 numbered statutes

I think we already have SOME regulation, but you just want more. Proving you think regulation doesn't work, because we have it, it's not working according to you

Read it again, Rochard stated no one has taken hand to hand combat training, I replied I had, then I gave a reason that it doesn't always work. The guy that attacked me was looking for backers for his MMA fighting, built like I was at that age of 26. I'm twice that now. Face to face, he would have regretted, he's a coward to the core. Cowards are why we need to protect ourselves with guns.
Calling me delusional because you don't understand that, puts you in the same class as him!

You do this dumb shit all the time. Oh my god, ninety-three thousand words in 271 laws? That sounds horrible.

But then reality bitch smacks you in the face - only 271 federal laws? That's it? Figure some of them are about minors owning firearms, criminals owning firearms, laws about it being illegal to shoot people for no reason, laws about what determines what is self defense and what isn't, laws about concealed carrying, laws about background checks... And yeah, suddenly that list doesn't sound nearly as bad now does it?

I love it when you copy and paste from gun nut sites. I really liked the one about Chicago when they hit five hundred murders which looks horrible at first, but when compared to 1500 murders it looks a lot better... I also liked the one about the town in GA where people are "required by law" to own firearms and yet their crime rate is three times higher than my hometown here.

Did you need your handgun then? How would a handgun have changed the situation?

The only way you being armed would have changed the situation in this case would have been instead of him being arrested, he would be dead and you would be the one being arrested.

Outstanding. Hide them in your house.

And that will work fine for you until the one afternoon you are having a BBQ and a six year old girl finds one of your hidden firearms and shoots herself dead. Or better yet, that will work fine for you until come home one day and discover your house has been broken into and three out of your six handguns are now missing - congrats, because you've just armed a criminal.

And at the end of the day, having a handgun in your house isn't going to change a damn thing! That fucker who made the videos for the NRA was shot in broad day light in his own house surrounded by his own firearms. Don't you get it - YOU DON"T SEE IT COMING WHEN IT HAPPENS.

So I give up my rights to self protection because other people might do something stupid?

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Or posting a million people killed with a gun since John Lennon was murdered, leaving out that 2/3rd's of them were self inflicted . That's right, according to the CDC, 2/3rd's of the people that are killed with guns in the US are self inflicted.

My post was showing that we have regulations on the books, they don't work, illegal use of guns is not going to stop because of more laws

Want to talk shit about Chicago? Fine, they have the tightest gun regulations and the highest murder rate, lets start there!

And comparing where you live and Kennesaw is a joke as well, drive 15 minutes south and you are in Sacramento

You know I don't need a hand gun, what I want is the government to stop fucking with the constitution because of idiots that use guns illegally or with ZERO responsibility.

Seriously?

I raised a daughter, had her friends in the house all the time. I had several guns. In the garage I had reloading equipment. I have oxy-acetylene tanks, a parts washer full of solvent, various motorized equipment that would remove a hand in an instant. I had welders capable of melting metal. I had garden equipment that had several sharp edges. Not one fatality. I didn't hide anything!

So when you see it coming, you want to be armed right?

I have a simple question

Why do they want to take guns from legal owners? They aren't the problem

Why do you idiots keep repeating this lie over and over? Chicago isnt even in the top 10.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_..._by_crime_rate

This for 2011, Chicago having a lot less people in it than New York

New York ? 515
Chicago ? 431
Detroit ? 344
Philadelphia ? 324
Los Angeles ? 297
New Orleans ? 200
Houston ? 198
Baltimore ? 196
Dallas ? 133
Memphis ? 117
Phoenix ? 116
St. Louis ? 113
Washington D.C. ? 108
Kansas City, Mo. ? 108
Oakland, Calif. ? 104

Yes, we had this discussion the other day in that same thread. Imagine how many people would have been saved if they didn't have access to a firearm.

Yes, and their murder continues to drop. Because of those restrictions.

And I have a kid in my house too. Anything that can cause her harm - my weed killer and draino, etc - is locked up. That's just common sense.

No, the national average is going down faster than the rate of Chicago

I locked up my guns in a safe but one, still had everything else out in the open, never felt the urge to put those electrical outlets up that you have to twist, but then again, all my outlets in the bathroom and kitchen were gfi protected

If someone is going to kill themselves, you think not having access to guns is going to change anything? There are no guns in Japan to speak of

You are Dumb as Fuck...
I bet every Marine hates it when you speak that you were even in.

OMG

NOTHING can prevent someone wallking up an shooting you in the head from Behind.
Not YOUR gun Laws not owning a gun.

I didn't say Hide a Gun in the house I said YOU might as well stay hidden in the house if you are so scared of people driving and having guns and on meds and so on.

If I worded it wrong, my bad...

I am not even going to waste time to go look and see...

Criminals break in to Wal-marts and steal guns, so what.
Oh hey lets make a law making that illegal...

NO FUCKING Person said having a weapon will STOP every situation, but show me how having one was bad.

MY FUCKING GOD you are a TROLL, you argue to argue.
You own guns, even an AR-15 you claim, but want more laws passed. No Laws will stop the criminals or crazies.

I am done with your Trolling, and if you are that stupid, I pray for your family.

And again with the rallying cry.

No one wants to take guns away from anyone. It's the same argument over and over again - Just apply some common sense here. Why is it tougher to get a driver's license than it is to purchase a firearm? We give kids courses on how to drive a car, but not a single class is required to get a firearm.

Legal owners aren't the problem? You bet your ass they are. The mother who purchased the assault rifle and other firearms that was used in the school shooting up in Mass... Clearly she was a responsable, legal firearm owner - the fact that the kid had known mental issues, was considered suicidal in high school, was unemployed, locked himself in a basement to play violent video games, and was obviously depressed had nothing to do with her being a responsable gun owner... The mother even said she was "loosing him"... And her idea of family bonding was with an assault rifle.

My father was a legal gun owner. He died 43 years ago. Where the fuck are his firearms? I don't have them. My step father doesn't have them. My mother doesn't have them. We have no idea who lives in the house we used to store them in. Legal gun owner, yet no one has any clue of what happened to his hand guns.

Brett, if you don't need a firearm to defend yourself... Then why get your panties all ruffled?

Self inflicted, like suicide? Ok, as my Drill Sargent said, get it right the first time, Less paperwork and money spent.. But hey we have Obama Care, everyone is saved now...

Yep and the Federal Gov can't even keep track of weapons, the Military and so on...
Get Over it.
so the Mom who didn't have hers locked up, what put her Body on Public display?
Have the Military go door to door making sure the weapons are locked up?

In California, you need to take a safety class, unless you are ex military, then you need a copy of your DD214

It's not about the firearms, it's about freedoms and losing them because of what criminals are doing. That makes no sense to me! Do you really think limiting legal gun owners guns to 10 rounds each is going to save lives?

Cops have semi automatic rifles to protect themselves, they don't have them to protect us, we should have the same thing. Full auto, I have no use for, I'm a better shot than that.

The govt. always uses the tiny percentage of idiots doing stupid shit to create laws that make it harder on the vast majority of folks. :(

From drugs to alcohol to sex to guns to driving to eating...the list goes on and on. The Nanny State knows what's best for 99.9% of people who don't NEED them to tell us what to do.

So they make laws based on the .1% who actually do stupid shit...and that affects all the rest of us...and ironically don't do anything at all to affect the fucktards who are the real problem to begin with. :(

It's much worse that that. People seem to think that if they are sitting on the couch watching TV and three armed men blow through that door from a draw in a side table or from the kitchen and get into a gun battle and live through it. And some times it does happen that way - but sometimes it doesn't.

Here in Sacramento a few months ago a pawn shop owner was robbed by two armed men. Logic would dictate that two armed men with handguns drawn and pointed trumps one man who has a gun under the counter. The pawn shop owner didn't understand his situation, and while he was pulling out his gun he got shot multiple time - in the face, loosing an eye in the process. (The pawn shop owner, btw, has more balls than ALL of us put together - because with his fucking eyeball hanging out of his face he chased them down the street!)

I'm not on meds. But when I get to buy my AR15, no one fucking asked me if I was.

If you want to own firearms, awesome, great. Let's go. The gun range is less than two miles from my house; I can hear them shooting on the weekends and I swear it gives me wood.

But is asking too much to make sure that firearm owners haven't been charged with assault recently? Or is it asking too much to make sure that a gun owner isn't on medication?

I'm not saying I want anyone to have their firearms taken away. I'm saying let's apply some common sense here. It shouldn't be easier to buy a firearm than it is to get a driver's license.

I'm just saying I want laws that will protect my family. My AR15 isn't going to protect my wife when she's at the mall or my kid when she's at school.

No, we don't need to go that far. But if a firearm you own is used in a homicide... You should go to jail right along with the shooter for just as long.

We need to be aware of where our firearms are at all times. Have one or two with you at all times; The rest need to be locked up. Firearms need to be secured. Saying "my firearms are safe in my house" isn't the same as "secure".

This really isn't about firearms for me; It's about common sense. My step father had a huge shot gun and rifle collection. Most of them were kept in a glass case in full view of the front window right next to the front door.

Wow, so if you are a victim of felony breaking and entering, robbery or home invasion and your gun is stolen you should go to prison just like the criminal who shoots a liquor store owner the next day with the stolen gun?

Once again you want to lower the honest citizen to the same level as a criminal. Make an honest citizen liable for the criminal acts of another.

Amazing.

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But no one is talking about loosing our rights or our freedoms.

I saw on FB the other day that you have a motorcycle. Fucking awesome. But in order to have that motorcycle you have to have a motorcycle license, have it registered, and have it insured. You also have to wear a helmet. When you went to DMV to get your license they pulled your driving record to make sure you haven't had too many tickets recently.

Why don't we do the same for firearms? (Here in California....) If you've had four tickets, no driver's license. Why don't we have a law saying "If you've been charged with assault and battery in the past four years, no firearms for you".

Why do we have to register our cars, but not weapons?

I'm just talking about some common sense laws here. The very first law we need to have is medical background check. No idea how to make it happen, but at the very least you should be sane to own a firearm. (Come to think of it we need the same law to drive a car.)

I never gave this much thought really.

I think this is a waste of time. It doesn't matter if you have one thirty round clip it's not much different three clips of ten rounds each. It's not like it takes thirty seconds to reload; It takes a few seconds to eject and ram a new clip in. Even with a handgun you can keep reloading all damn day long until everyone is dead.

The first law I would like to see is one about mental health. My wife works in healthcare, and all of the hospitals and doctors are hooked up these days via computer networks. Our government should be able to tap into these systems and see if you've seen a shrink recently or if you are on any medication that should be a problem. Privacy issues are no longer a concern; You wave your rights every time you see a doctor and you wave your rights during a background check to buy a firearm, same thing.