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Supz 04-13-2013 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Due (Post 19577035)
this is their DNS:
nameserver: ns-964.awsdns-56.net
nameserver: ns-1273.awsdns-31.org
nameserver: ns-1583.awsdns-05.co.uk
nameserver: ns-277.awsdns-34.com

Isn't that Amazon ? I thought that its all cloud based
anyone know the size of these attacks ? Cloudflare have handled attacks in the size of 200 Gbps. Not sure how often people need to buy new hardware for their cloud hosting or why they even use web-hosts that doesn't specialize in DDoS prevention.

This is the problem with companies like this. Trying to save a penny. If they are making as much as they say they are making. They should be able to afford their own cage/hardware/network equipment and should hire a CIO who knows what the fuck they are doing, with the right equipment, network infrastructure, load balancing etc. These issues would never occur. They should have their own multi gigE backbone and not rely on someone else for things like this.

AdultPornMasta 04-13-2013 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DBS.US (Post 19577036)
Bitcoin Tax:2 cents:

Good luck with that one!

For USA, offshore corp, offshore account and the USA government can go fuck itself.

Why the extrememe fluctuations?

One word.

Cyprus.

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/i...g-DVDcover.jpg

:2 cents:

Nathan 04-13-2013 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19576762)
I read that at several places.

Actually, this one is rather easy to figure out...

anything below 1000 bitcoins or less is 0.5% fee. It goes up to 0.6%. Considering most trades are FAR BELOW 1000 bitcoins, it is safe to use 0.5% as an average, it is likely too low.

Volume traded each day is roughly 200k. Likely closer to 250k.

That is thus at least 1000 Bitcoins a day. Since I am SURE they take their commission in hard currency, not in Bitcoins (at least they should), that even at $50 BTC value is already 50k a day in revenue. Considering BTC is trading above $100, that the volume is closer to 250k and was up to 400k in the past days. In the last days, they made far more than 100k a day in revenue. So 100k profit at least the last few days is likely true.

Helix 04-13-2013 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by AdultPornMasta (Post 19577002)
And governments would do that just how?

Seriously, I am looking for your input on this matter.

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I really don't know but I had the television on today and there was a mention of bitcoin and the volatility of late and how unstable it was. They were presenting it as a bad thing. The statement was that some volatility was a good thing but it has been too extreme. I didn't catch the whole story but it is on the gov's radar. If they are watching there is no telling what they would do.

AdultPornMasta 04-13-2013 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Supz (Post 19577040)
This is the problem with companies like this. Trying to save a penny. If they are making as much as they say they are making. They should be able to afford their own cage/hardware/network equipment and should hire a CIO who knows what the fuck they are doing, with the right equipment, network infrastructure, load balancing etc. These issues would never occur. They should have their own multi gigE backbone and not rely on someone else for things like this.

They will fix it.

Just watch.

Don't panic.

http://i745.photobucket.com/albums/x...Dont_panic.jpg

:2 cents:

dyna mo 04-13-2013 08:55 PM

they don't host their shit on amazon.

they do have their own hardware.


the world currency markets are how big? 100 trillion$ 150 trillion$?
yet *the government!* is going to swoop down on little ole bitcoin?

not anytime soon.

moreover, the federal treasury is run by wall street fancy pants, they have yet to rape and pillage btc.

*the government!* won't be making btc illegal anytime soon, if ever.

AdultPornMasta 04-13-2013 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Helix (Post 19577046)
I really don't know but I had the television on today and there was a mention of bitcoin and the volatility of late and how unstable it was. They were presenting it as a bad thing. The statement was that some volatility was a good thing but it has been too extreme. I didn't catch the whole story but it is on the gov's radar. If they are watching there is no telling what they would do.

Fuck governments.

:2 cents:

dyna mo 04-13-2013 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Helix (Post 19577046)
I really don't know but I had the television on today and there was a mention of bitcoin and the volatility of late and how unstable it was. They were presenting it as a bad thing. The statement was that some volatility was a good thing but it has been too extreme. I didn't catch the whole story but it is on the gov's radar. If they are watching there is no telling what they would do.

*the government!* issued rules for virtual-currency via fincen, the regulatory branch of the federal reserve, legitimizing bitcoin.

L-Pink 04-13-2013 09:09 PM

Yahoo news Saturday;

"Bitcoin’s Value Drops 80 Percent In 24 Hours"


http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/advis...--finance.html


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- Jesus Christ - 04-13-2013 09:12 PM

...after rising more than 100,000 percent in 4 years

http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/mtgo...zm1g10zm2g25zl

DBS.US 04-13-2013 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 19577057)
Yahoo news Saturday;

"Bitcoin?s Value Drops 80 Percent In 24 Hours"


http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/advis...--finance.html


.

It appeared that the currency?s price was becoming increasingly overvalued as a result of hoarding by speculators and short-term traders. A few saw signs of a massive bubble ready to burst, and some grew weary when the U.S. Treasury announced in March it would explore new laws to regulate Bitcoin.
What?s in store for Bitcoin in the future? It appears governments around the world are ready to step in.

- Jesus Christ - 04-13-2013 09:17 PM

The tactic all anti-bitcoin people is to repeat disingenuous assessments then make threats of violence via government.

When your approach is lie then pull a gun don't be shocked when guns get pulled on you in self defense.

dyna mo 04-13-2013 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DBS.US (Post 19577063)
It appears governments around the world are ready to step in.

that couldn't be farther from the truth.
Quote:

Originally Posted by - Jesus Christ - (Post 19577066)
The tactic all anti-bitcoin people is to repeat disingenuous assessments then make threats of violence via government.

When your approach is lie then pull a gun don't be shocked when guns get pulled on you in self defense.

it really is getting old, ithought for a while that the facts of the matter would catch up to them but that's not happening.

dyna mo 04-13-2013 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 19577057)
Yahoo news Saturday;

"Bitcoin?s Value Drops 80 Percent In 24 Hours"


http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/advis...--finance.html


.

that article is rife with inaccuracies and incorrect information.

Webmaster Advertising 04-13-2013 09:27 PM

I view the anti-bitcoin crowd just like I do the vast majority of republicans...

Full of shit and will say whatever they want to get people to agree with them irrespective of truth or factual accuracy.

L-Pink 04-13-2013 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19577074)
that article is rife with inaccuracies and incorrect information.

I should have referenced the same post you did, see below, Not only was it on TV but lead page on yahoo news as well. To the casual viewer/reader it looked like a stock collapse.

"Originally Posted by Helix
I really don't know but I had the television on today and there was a mention of bitcoin and the volatility of late and how unstable it was."


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dyna mo 04-13-2013 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 19577082)
I should have referenced the same post you did, see below, Not only was it on TV but lead page on yahoo news as well. To the casual viewer/reader it looked like a stock collapse.

"Originally Posted by Helix
I really don't know but I had the television on today and there was a mention of bitcoin and the volatility of late and how unstable it was."


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ah, i see, thx for the clarification. that article reminded me of the news coverage of the winklevoss's *massive loss* in btc.

Dirty F 04-14-2013 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by adulttraffic (Post 19576990)
If its posted on the internet it must be true. They cant post anything that isn't true on the internet.

You're right. It must be a lie. I think they make closer to 1k a day. That makes more sense. They are just doing 15k trades a day and control only 80% of the bitcoin trades which are worth 100's of millions.
Any more tips? I want to learn from you.

Dirty F 04-14-2013 01:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19577074)
that article is rife with inaccuracies and incorrect information.

You must know by now the haters have no clue how it works. They just keep repeating the same shit over and over again hoping it will go away. And it drives them nuts that it doesn't.

NiXXiN 04-14-2013 01:19 AM

DirtyF cant wait til u get your rig setup man

Dirty F 04-14-2013 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by NiXXiN (Post 19577193)
DirtyF cant wait til u get your rig setup man

Tbh i might not do it. I'm really not sure if it's worth my time. When the coin was worth 270 it was worth it but now? What are you making? 10 bucks a day?
Now the coin will get worth more again but it's easier for me to buy now it's cheap than to wait for it till it's 250 again and start mining.

NiXXiN 04-14-2013 01:39 AM

true that, yeh it was an unfortuante time to buy your gear, are you gonna get your money back on it? prolly make more bitcoins buying and selling

Dirty F 04-14-2013 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by NiXXiN (Post 19577201)
true that, yeh it was an unfortuante time to buy your gear, are you gonna get your money back on it? prolly make more bitcoins buying and selling

Yeah, i can return everything.
I think i'm gonna do that.
If it's worth it again in the future i simply buy it again.

NiXXiN 04-14-2013 01:48 AM

yeh or just go with an asic system, prolly worth it in the long run.

NiXXiN 04-14-2013 01:59 AM



You can see the transaction that turned the market around.
261383 BTC for 0.01$.
5 minutes later the price is 15+$/BTC.
That guy just made 4M$ in 5 minutes.

Dirty F 04-14-2013 02:43 AM

You can see the transaction that turned the market around.
261383 BTC for 0.01$.
5 minutes later the price is 15+$/BTC.
That guy just made 4M$ in 5 minutes.[/QUOTE]

Haha wtf? That's crazy.

Google Expert 04-14-2013 02:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NiXXiN (Post 19577212)

You can see the transaction that turned the market around.
261383 BTC for 0.01$.
5 minutes later the price is 15+$/BTC.
That guy just made 4M$ in 5 minutes.

He hasn't made shit unless he can cash it out. Which he can't.

NiXXiN 04-14-2013 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by M.A+ (Post 19577229)
He hasn't made shit unless he can cash it out. Which he can't.

its not that hard bro, when u wanna sell you have two options, set your price and wait or click market order and what ever the price is at the time it will sell within seconds and funds will be in your account, from there you can send that money anywhere.

Dirty F 04-14-2013 03:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NiXXiN (Post 19577239)
its not that hard bro, when u wanna sell you have two options, set your price and wait or click market order and what ever the price is at the time it will sell within seconds and funds will be in your account, from there you can send that money anywhere.

Put that clueless imbecile on ignore like i did a long time ago already :1orglaugh

It drives him nuts :1orglaugh

NiXXiN 04-14-2013 03:04 AM


Google Expert 04-14-2013 03:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NiXXiN (Post 19577239)
its not that hard bro, when u wanna sell you have two options, set your price and wait or click market order and what ever the price is at the time it will sell within seconds and funds will be in your account, from there you can send that money anywhere.

click where? everything is down

and even then there's 100x people wanting to dump than buy

NiXXiN 04-14-2013 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by M.A+ (Post 19577245)
click where? everything is down

and even then there's 100x people wanting to dump than buy

ok so i answered your first questions, lets move onto your other ones.

yeah there is downtime in the peak of ddos, and it sucks. but 99.9% of the time its available.

At the moment there is a massive amount of people still buying bitcoin and yes a lot of people are selling, but there is still activity and thats the main thing, if anything this recent crash got out a lot of week traders who got spooked. its been pretty stable at around $100 and thats a good sign, remember its very very early on in the life of bitcoin.

AdultPornMasta 04-14-2013 04:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DBS.US (Post 19577063)
It appeared that the currency?s price was becoming increasingly overvalued as a result of hoarding by speculators and short-term traders. A few saw signs of a massive bubble ready to burst, and some grew weary when the U.S. Treasury announced in March it would explore new laws to regulate Bitcoin.
What?s in store for Bitcoin in the future? It appears governments around the world are ready to step in.

Good luck with that one.

:2 cents:

mafia_man 04-14-2013 05:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19576725)
From 120 dollars to 80 because of your shitty servers.
100k profit a day and they can't manage to set up servers that handle a few 1000 trades.
These idiots are killing Bitcoin!

Every fucking time it goes up their servers go down. Either by ddos or their c64 servers.

It's so fucking annoying to see this happen over and over again.

Mt Gox is the natural monopoly that occurs when you have free-market economics.

Paul 04-14-2013 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultPornMasta (Post 19577002)
And governments would do that just how?

Seriously, I am looking for your input on this matter.

Charging Bitcoin exchange owners with money laundering most likely :disgust

This was posted on Reddit explaining the lag on Mt.Gox

Quote:

I'm not perfect on the details, but what I've picked up from lots of lurking is that:

? MTGOX's trade matching algorithm is slow in that when a (non-market) bid comes, it has to cycle through all of the asks to see if one matches. And vice versa for the asks. This means that the more bids and asks there are, the slower things are.

? When things lag out too much, people panic and sell because they don't have faith in MtGox, which causes the price to drop.

? In this way, there's an incentive for manipulators to create lag: let the price pick up a bit, sell all their coins, place buy orders at a lower price, then lag gox to all hell so that everyone else sells and the price drops and they get cheap coins.

? Placing lots of tiny orders helps skew the 'last' price creating a ladder to lower prices - instead of one big trade causing a momentary dip and then possibly surging right back, the fact that there's lag means a bunch of people will sell at MARKET (e.g. last) price. So if you create a ladder of tiny transactions from 100.1, 100, 99.5, 99, 98.5, and so on, if people blindly hit sell during the lag you've created, they follow your price path downwards, which sustains support for these lowered prices while lag persists.

keysync 04-14-2013 09:55 AM

I've been trading on BTC-E they seem to be pretty stable.

Paul 04-14-2013 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by keysync (Post 19577611)
I've been trading on BTC-E they seem to be pretty stable.

Do you trust them? I've read a lot of bad experiences with BTC-E from users.

What other exchanges trade Litecoins apart from BTC-E?

Dirty F 04-17-2013 06:40 AM

Can you believe these monkeys STILL didn't fix their shit?
There is still a huge lag!
How is this possible? Can someone tell me that?
How can a company that makes 100k a day not solve this?

NiXXiN 04-17-2013 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19582180)
Can you believe these monkeys STILL didn't fix their shit?
There is still a huge lag!
How is this possible? Can someone tell me that?
How can a company that makes 100k a day not solve this?

Max keiser will be releasing his own exchange and I can't wait for that, mt gox currently has a flawed system in sooo many fucking ways. Say someone puts a sell or buy order at 0.00005 and it goes into a line of orders first in first come basis that overrides an order at 6.00000000.

Paul 04-18-2013 02:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dirty F (Post 19582180)
Can you believe these monkeys STILL didn't fix their shit?
There is still a huge lag!
How is this possible? Can someone tell me that?
How can a company that makes 100k a day not solve this?

Most people on forums are saying only sell at Mt Gox, don't buy there due to their incompetence and what NiXXiN has posted below.

Another thing that annoys me, verification. They've got backlogs of weeks now.

Why not implement a system like Bitcoins.de & Paypal have, a small amount of ? are sent to your bank account with a code, you confirm the code on their site and your bank account is verified! Simples!

Have any of you tried taking money out from Mt Gox? A lot of people are angry because it's taking weeks, again silly amounts of backlogs that's not acceptable.

If I had money in Mt Gox and wanted it out fast, I think I'd take a flight to Japan and visit their offices!


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