That is just awesome front line coverage and recounting. I'd be bricking it ! So much underhand shit goes on with govts that they get away it it's amazing. 3 weeks ago I proof read a manuscript of a French guy in Algeria that will form his memoires to be published and the shit the French did ther in the 50s/60s is just outragious. The Algerians are still waiting for an apology and Holland came as close as they'll get I think a few months ago.

Why does everyone insist on jumping on these silly bandwagons. They weren't stealing, they were officials handing out the jackets to runners that couldn't get to their stuff because of the chaos and needed something to put on after just completing 26 miles running. I happen to know this because my cousin Steve was about 150 yards away when it went off.


You guys will pretty much believe anything at this point, won't you....





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It was well within my lifetime and I experienced a US-funded bomb with my own two eyes. So no, I will never forget, move on yes, but forget the hypocrisy never. Clinton did a great deal to end our terrorism and but, I lived in Boston duringthat and I heard the reaction from the Irish in the pubs in the North End as that was going on ...

i never suggested forgetting, but i am 48 years old and i have a hard time remembering the things you are bringing back up, i was ~8 years old then.

saying that is the american attitude is not correct, even for those times as there is much to suggest that 99% of americans had no idea that a few were doing that.

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sorry. i know it's not a 'laughable' thing to say

but yea i bet :thumbsup

i hope you gotta crotch bra for those bad boys :winkwink:

I'd probably freak out and run for cover as I haven't been in a bomb situation before

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"A bomb goes off - what do you do?"

Well... pop up from behind the plywood, check if the tree is still standing, put out small fire, and start setting up the next one.

I'm not familiar with French history or terrorism. Can you shoot me some terms to google?

The first time that day I was taking direct fire I called my brother to let him know what was going on because I wasn't sure I was going to make it out or not and I at least wanted someone to know I was there and what was going on.

A person who isn't in the military never thinks the words "I'm pinned down by sniper fire" will ever come out of their mouth, so I too thought it was a little funny when I said it.

"A bomb goes off - what do you do?"

Step 1. - Watch a video about it.
Step 2. - Not have a damn clue about what's actually going on in the video clip.
Step 3. - Pretend like you do have a clue and you do know what's going on.
Step 4. - Post about it on webmaster forum.

I do a poo... :2 cents:

You can start with what they did in Paris...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_massacre_of_1961

I'm 42 and yet lots of bombings went on when I was young and older.

Shit loads went on in the 90s it was like at least 1 event a year if not more, so I really don't know to what IRA events you are referring to.

--edit to add the real list of non-stop terrorism events the Brits faced alone from the IRA, funded from the American Irish:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ents_in_London

you mentioned that *americans* funded the ira. the last date that i can find any suggestions of that happening was 1982-83 via noraid secretly funneling charitable donations.

certainly a long time ago and not one that more than a handful of americans( ~5) participated in.

So the only documented event of funding stands as gospel right?

I can't even be arsed to look, but I'll take your word for it that it's the only documented event.
So pray do tell, where the fuck where the IRA geting their funding from if it wasn't from Libya and America?

Every country has had its own fair share of terrorism. Just that America's has caused the biggest global upheaval. Justified? Two small bombs in Boston (as bad as they are) worth hitting globale headlines? Honestly?

Apparently 10% of all Americans are Irish?

a successful bombing in the middle of a country spending 700 billion a year on military at the expense of.. everything else?

you betcha

i don't choose the headlines, especially in some other country.

fact is, you brought up american attitudes, not me


there's only the testimony to go on.

New York
Funds raised in the United States ostensibly for charitable relief work in Northern Ireland have been diverted for the purchase of guns and bombmaking equipment for the outlawed Provisional Irish Republican Army (IRA), according to US federal court documents. The funds, raised through pub collections and testimonial dinners by the Irish Northern Aid Committee (Noraid) of New York City, are channeled through An Cumman Cabhrach, a relief organization in Dublin.

But on several occasions in 1982 and 1983 some of the Noraid funds were siphoned off to finance IRA shopping expeditions in the US for guns and other military hardware, according to the testimony of Michael Hanratty, a former electronics purchaser for the IRA who turned federal informant in 1982.

``Money supplied by Noraid was sent over to Ireland,'' Mr. Hanratty testified in the 1983 Brooklyn gunrunning trial of Gabriel Megahey and Andrew Duggan. ``At that point, when equipment was to be purchased, a courier then took some of the money that was needed and carried it back to this country.

a card well played :thumbsup

If not more.

A lot of them are Dutch. They may not realize it though.

There really isn't such a thing as being American.

Unless you are native Indian.

that makes absolutely zero sense. so you think that spending money on something solves the problem 100%?

nevertheless, the fact is you can count on 1 hand the # of terrorist events inside this country.

It was so well know in the UK where the IRA got a lot of their funding from that even the BBC reported on the American involvement - and for Auntie Beeb to say that then ... well!.

he was replying to me:

He played his card very well, and I retract my statement!! 'oh the irony'

I get confused from time to time... which is the ex-navy seal commando type person? Rochard or richard?

i appreciate the info and i would not disagree with your comments/experience.


again though, that was a long time ago and i don't think it's fair or accurate for someone to characterize americans today as not caring about that then. based on everything i've dug up about it, it was fundraising in new york city. it wasn't regional and certainly wasn't nationwide.

it still doesn't make sense. we could spend a gradzillion on defense and a pressure cooker bomb can still be left somewhere along a 26 mile marathon course.

Into a depth of haze, I'll see you dead...

No, of cause not but then that was my original point, you guys would still have the same attitude you had in the 70's-90's over the UK bombings if it wasn't for 9-11.

i see what you are saying..sure..compassion... it does take some amount of personal experience to have compassion for when others experience the same, i agree.

but also the internet has made the world a much smaller place. the world was much bigger back then. just to give the american people at that time the benefit of the doubt, i'm not so sure the prevailing attitude could be characterized as has been in this thread.

personally? i don't think anything 'solves problems'.. the trick is finding solutions

however humanity, and in extension the world, loves a good bout of irony.

Ironic really

Well the UK also turned a blind eye to how they treated they Irish now didn't they? You can't treat people like dogs and not expect them to bite you. :2 cents:

This is the same reason there will never be peace between Israel & Palestine.

I doubt most Americans even knew enough about Northern Ireland to turn a blind eye to it. We did, however, provide safe harbor to numerous IRA terrorists.

So while we think nothing of demanding the extradition of British nationals who commit the heinous crime of linking to stuff on the internet or who harmlessly expose the ineptitude of the clowns at the Pentagon, and we incarcerate innocent people without trial and torture them in a concentration camp on Cuba, we had no problem refusing extradition requests for terrorists who had murdered people who weren't American.

One reason people might get irritated is because not only did we not give a single shit about terrorism in other countries before 9/11, but after 9/11 we started lecturing countries that had endured terrorism for decades about how evil terrorism was (because it was now happening to us). More people were killed in the Northern Ireland conflict than 9/11.

Peace was established in the Northern Ireland conflict, so how does that demonstrate there will "never" be peace between Israel and Palestine?

i don't disagree, and hell, the brits are our bros. but it's important that we don't look back at another generation through this generation's viewpoint. hindsight is always 20-20. it was an entirely different world then. just the internet alone separates this era from that.

I hope you would hold the video camera a little more steady then guys that did.