I agree that this is not right.
But many programs today treat their affiliates not right to shave as much as possible.
I learned to not care about it as long as the ratio of spent time, money invested, bandwidth burned /to/ sales is positive.
However, if a program goes hardcore on affiliates shaving everything and there are no sales at all or very little then a program is not worthy.
I would also very carefully consider focusing on a single program or on very few programs because one day sales may be gone and all hard work fucked. Things are changing all the time.

In fact, use logic: each program who really shave so much will lose most or all the affiliates, as they compare with the higher sales/conversions of other programs who do not shave. No one uses one program once and for life, there is competition and free choice enough, I don't see a monopoly where you can choice only one program per niche, so he can do as he wishes. Let's say every program shave 50%: but then even one program who does not shave, would show double the conversions/earnings. As result, every affiliate would end up using it, and dropping all the others. I am not seeing this happening, people try a little of every program. In a competitive market, it is not logic to believe every program can shave and do well like others, they would be outperformed by even the only one not shaving as it existed.

By the way you're the first cam site who started accepting bitcoins, right? How is that going, if I may ask. And do you pay revshare of bitcoins sales - if yes, in bitcoins? :)

I have been sending like 200 free joins daily to chaturbate, but my daily income remains the same (in average), since day 1...

What does it mean? That I am not being credited for the first members I sent?

Or that people join, spend some money, and then they go away and never come back?

It really makes no sense, it should be accumulative, if in month 1 of promotion you sent 6000 free joins and made 1200 bucks, in month 5, you already sent 30,000 free joins by that time, and you are still making 1200 bucks per month?... Does it really makes sense? Is this normal with most cam revshare programs?

Yeah, I know that there are a lot of variables, of course, it depends on a lot of things, but im talking about monthly averages here, in the big number, it doesn't makes sense.

Out of the 200 free join how many buy?
How long have you been promoting them?

chaturbate is the BEST sponsor :thumbsup

:2 cents::2 cents:

You make many assumptions.

1. Affiliates don't have perfect knowledge of shaving and they don't always know of all the other sponsors and how they convert.

2. Not every affiliate has an easy means of swapping out links without intense labor. With some methods it may not even effectively be possible.

3. "In a competitive market..." It's not a competitive market in adult. Especially for cam programs there are just a few and they all have various issues or skeletons in their closets.

4. Many programs aren't relying on affiliates anymore in 2013. Affiliates are bonus money with many of these guys. For the blatant shavers it's easy free money by taking advantage of the suckers. Why wouldn't they take your traffic and pay you for 10% of it if you are willing to do it?


Shaving does exist and it has existed for a long, long time. There are thousands of messages of proof and somewhat reliable declarations on webmaster boards. They range from affiliates sharing convincing data and accounts to screenshots of shaving software (see sig) or programmers openly acknowledging that shave capabilities are one of the main things affiliate programs ask for when requesting custom software.

Here is an old thread I was just reading earlier today in fact:

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=169587

In my opinion anyone who says shaving doesn't occur or tries to say that it almost never happens (like under 10% of the time) is either new to the industry or is dishonest as hell. I would NEVER trust such a person by default.

EDIT: Let me be clear I am not saying that chaturbate shaves. This is just a general discussion on shaving and the industry.

I would expect 200 free joins a day to build your income on revshare. If not, yes I'd be looking very long and hard.

I say go with your gut. You're probably right in doing that at least 90% of the time.

What he said

50 shaved chatterers.

Yes, that's just b2b deals with the bigger adv and tube networks, paid in cash, plus own sources (everyone setup own tube etc.). Affiliates a small now thing, maybe 20% to 50% max of new signups. Rest a program buys banners, popunders and whatever paid cash.
How this changed about shaving from the past years, where 80% signups was from affiliates? By logic, there should be less shaving now than in the past, as it is less relevant to shave. In the past years where 80%+ of signups was from affiliates, even a small shaving was relevant % of overall signups "unpaid", but now is that so important to shave on guys who make $30 a week, I mean.

Anybody, and I mean anybody that joins a webcam affiliate program is a fool.

It's all un regulated. They are all the same. They lure you with amazing PPS deals... and after you do all the work and set up all the links.... you make a few sales and think, "yes a good program" ...and then, you'll notice thru the months your sales dwindle down to shit??? So you send more and more traffic, and still no sales? Mean time you're sending massive traffic in.

It's the same bullshit with all the webcam sites I've rep'd over the years. When you inquire as to "what happened to my sales, I've sent in 500,000 hits this month...They respond by saying "oh, the market is slow right now, sales suck...." but the truth is, the skimming and stealing has been perfected to a science. Digital crime is the hardest to detect and what average person has the time and money to sue a webcam company for a drop in sales?

Webcam companies KNOW that even if sales suck, you won't take down all the links because you worked so hard to put them all up. Then, denial kicks in. "oh, next month sales will be better..." LOL Then after a few more months of no sales, you forget about it and move on. But, what you don't know is all your links are sending sales in and there's not a dam thing you can do about it.

The skimming and stealing is so rampant it's hilarious. Site owners pay off 10 dummy accounts and flash the stats to the general public, then steal all the rest.

The porn market is a huge multi billion dollar industry. Sales down? Not a chance. What, you think there is a shortage of testosterone and guys jerking off online? Why do you think these stunning women are all doing webcams? Because that's where the new money is. Sure, your webcam sales suck.... but not their sales. It's the skimming and stealing that is has increased so much, that everybody thinks the market has bottomed out. Webcam affiliates are fools. Nothing but sheep doing all the work for online thieves with no regulation, no inspections, nothing at all. A license to steal right under your nose.

All webcam sposnors are theives? Riiiiiiight

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Chaturbate has always been solid for me. No complaints.

So, I take it that your part of that big scam?

chaturbate doesn't discount Chargebacks like imlive, doesn't pay in coca cola like LJ and doesn't discriminate people like the other 2 big ones

its great site for earning money sometimes...i love that i earn money doing nothing i hope the site convert better in the future and help the affiliates , the things that i really dislike are the visitors and those mods beside the ban policy i spend my earning there


the white label cant be indexed because its block search engine crawlers on robots file , revshare signups is kinda forced i get 19 signup the last two weeks which its not reasonable


i always talk nice about chaturbate although i have been through alot of shit

see sig :thumbsup

I get between 150 and 200 daily free signups in one whitelabel with chaturbate and 100% of my traffic comes from google.

It's a whitelabel I just set and forget and let it on autopilot.

It's true that the whitelabel is restricted for SEO, but not completely, otherwise I would not be getting any google traffic at all.

Livejasmin pays in Coca Cola?

HOw is that?

I've worked with pretty much everything. Paysites, dating, cams, toys and pills.

For me, my strategies and my traffic, paysites are the best option.

Dating? Tons of fake profiles, and most of them are men. I don't believe that I can find a girl to fuck using a dating site.
Cams? Most heavy users have profiles everywhere. It's hard to find new paying users these days.
Toys? Requires a lot of time and traffic to make a trustable store.
Pills? Too much promotion on illegal tubes - plus it is a lye. The only pill that works is Viagra.

My chaturbate sales have been on revshare and steady for a year.
Easy money

Today???? As it is, so has it always been. From Day 1.

So you're getting 20,000+ hits a day from Google to a Chaturbate whitelabel? That's about what it would take assuming a 1:100 impression to free ratio. That's pretty amazing.