Look back in my posts, you will find I'm sure that I was pissed when the price of gas peeked under Bush.

But I wasn't talking about Bush, I was talking about Barry

Blaming Bush for everything is getting old. Under Bush, the price dropped from a high point, still waiting for under Obama, because under him, oil drilling permit approvals on federal land has been the lowest in recent history.

gas needs to be $8 a gallon, fuck the oil companies

If you read the link I posted you will discover the the price of gas has gone up a lot under each of the last presidents. It's not just an Obama thing so why single him out, which is the point I was making.

The President doesn't make the price of gas go up or down. Sure he can have a small temporary affect by certain actions but it's the market driven supply vs demand that changes the prices.

The oil companies have been playing games for years now by cutting their production down to the minimum in order to keep prices higher. You want to blame someone for the price of tea in China you blame the Chinese.. However if you want to blame someone for the price of Gas anywhere in the world, you blame OPEC. :2 cents:

Also on the oil drilling you are slightly mis-informed. In fact the US is now producing more oil under Obama than it did under Bush. I know that doesn't fit your agenda, but facts are facts.

http://www.npr.org/2012/01/24/145719...lling-ramps-up

Yes, Bush drilled for more oil during his presidency but that trend has continued under Obama. Each year we are producing more and more. It didn't suddenly just turn off when Obama took office, no matter what nonsense you want to believe.

You really believe that?

You think that Obama cutting new permits for drilling on federal land is going to have a positive effect on oil prices?

Yeah, they are drilling more, Because of BUSH and CLINTON, not the idiot and chief!
It takes time for those permits to go from permit to drilling

http://www.blm.gov/pgdata/etc/medial...t/table-01.pdf

During the last three fiscal years totally under Bush, there were 9,661 "new leases" granted for federal lands. For the three most recent fiscal years (which includes a few months of Bush's administration), there were 5,568 such new leases. This works out to a 42.4% decrease.
Take the same comparable periods for drilling permits on federal lands. There were 20,479 for the last three years under Bush, then 12,821 for the most recent three including much of Obama's first term. This is a 37.4% decrease

The downfall happened under Bush, not Obama. Bush dragged our country down to an all time low - he raised the deficit, lowered income, AND destroyed the economy.

Not true. When Bush took office gas was $1.83 a gallon. When he left office, the average price of gas was $3.41. The price of gas under Bush almost doubled during his term. Meanwhile, gas dropped down to $2.43 while Obama was in office.


We discussed this during the debates when Romney said this. It wasn't true then, and it's not true now. Permits are down, but oil production on federal land is up - 14% according to fact check.

Great, permits are down. But oil production is up.

http://factcheck.org/2012/10/obamas-drilling-denials/

is that due to oil company 'consolidation'? any idea why there'd be 40% less permits and more production?

Permits came screaming to a halt due to the 2010 Deepwater Horizon oil spill.

This is nothing more than cherry picking stats. One sides picks a date range that produces stats that is favorable to their argument and ignores the rest. They picked a date range when permits dropped due to an environmental disaster and ignore that fact that oil production went up during the same period.

Oil production is up because of permits issued by Bush and Clinton on federal land

permits on private and state land are up.

That's why

Well for starters, new land isn't just coming out of no where.. Unless we take over Canada there isn't any new BLM land to just give away to the oil companies like they would like.

See the right thinks just because there is govt owned land, that oil companies should have access to all of it for their profit taking. The Right fails to realize that federal land is owned by the citizens of this country for their usage not just big oil's.

Therefore when Obama decided it wasn't worth the risk of damaging much of this environmentally sensitive land forever when compared to the oil it would produce. Obama decided the best option was to protect the federal land so that all US citizens could enjoy it and not just let big oil ruin it while gouging the American pubic.

Added bonus even Jeb Bush whom was a Republican Governor of Florida was against drilling off the Fl coast due to the negative impact it would have on Florida tourism. Not to mention the environmental issues that would occur if a spill took place.

God damn Liberal Jeb Bush I bet he even runs for President in 2016. Fucking Commie not letting big oil have their way! Oust him!

riiiiiiight that makes sense

i thought the land right issue was a universal problem.. so mineral rights etc

Oil production is up because of Fracking.. Which is it's own subject of how bad that is going to fuck up the world's water supplies.

Simply put fracking allows them to get oil that they could never get before. Oil that we have a lot of in this country but they couldn't get it it until technology caught up. Canada also has a lot of this oil that is only available via fracking.

I know all about the Oil Fracking in North Dakota

hear about the fracking truck that set off the radiation detector at the dump?

I talked to a truck driver that works for one of the fracking companies, he makes $80 an hour driving a truck....

So permits on private land and state land is up, but down on federal land. Production is up. Basically, you are trying to make a point about nothing.

Oil production is up under Obama. Period.

those mercenary guys make $1000 a day

apparently you gotta have no issues firing blindly into crowds.. but it sure puts food on the table :upsidedow

They are mad because he wouldn't open up anwr Alaska and wouldn't let them drill off the coast of FL. Something that no other president has done either.. However because it's a Democrat it's suddenly a big deal.

Like most things the Right does, it was just a bunch of hoopla for the cameras and mountains made of mole hills.

Meanwhile more oil is pumping out of the ground on US soil than ever has before, which equals Obama is a commie because they couldn't drill everywhere they wanted.

So true and well said... I'm a democrat (always been) but Republican's will lose the next election

I don't care who wants to drill where or why, or who is charge.

Vendzilla is trying to debate that permits are down. It's irrelevant because oil production is up. No one cares about permits; Oil production is up and that's all that matters.

I am not Democrat; I believe I've voted Republican my entire life. But the Republican party is so far out of whack right now that it's comical. Just to explain how bad it is for the Republican party, they put up a POW War Hero with thirty years political experience up against a relatively unknown BLACK senator from Mobsterland AND LOST. And then followed that up four years later with the failed Governor of Massachusetts who left office there with a 34% approval rating? Who the fuck at the Republican party decided it was okay for someone who left political office with a 34% approval rating to run for President?

I mean, seriously, the Republican party threw both elections intentionally, right?

And the only response from Minte is to complain that Obama raised the deficit while ignored Bush did the same, and Vendzilla bitching about permits while oil production goes up? Is that all you have?

When I asked my father in law (a dyed in the wool Republican) why he was voting for Mitt Romney, he said "because he knows how to run a company and make money. Obama doesn't know a damn thing about how money or an economy works."

The GOP made the mistake of thinking there's more old white people out there with this mindset than there truly are.

Mitt Romney never made anything. He raped companies that were vulnerable and sold off the pieces for whatever he could get, putting people out of work and ruining families/lives. If I would bring this up, my father-in-law would say its some untruth by the "left wing media".

Vulture capitalism by a sociopath is not a pre-requisite for being president. We're SO fucking lucky that spineless, lying sack of shit Romney didn't get the White House. Wall Street would be running wild(er) and we'd be on the verge of -- or in another false war to keep the military industrial complex humming.

I think yes that's all the Republican party has.. What is worse is they will try to run Paul Ryan as their next candidate. Him or Jeb Bush, whom over all isn't horrible he's likely the best of the 3 Bush's however he will never get elected with that name..

Pretty much yeah, that's all they have. If they had better they would have put it forward. Instead they push forward the crackpots and the lame ducks because that's all they have left.

Obama claims credit when it has nothing to do with him

I agree with you. He used other peoples money to buy companies, made money by charging huge "consulting fees", and then made more money if the company by chance was bought out. If not, they didn't loose anything - it wasn't their money to loose, and they made money no matter what. Rinse and repeat.

This was the core root of the problem with our economy - The banks couldn't loose. They made money selling houses, and when those people couldn't afford it they took the house back, sold it for even more, and made even more money. Rinse and repeat.

I cannot say that Obama is a better "business wise" - I don't think Obama ever ran a company his entire life. But being President is one thing - It's not only being a businessman. It's so much more than that.

I honestly believe the Republican party threw the last two elections. They knew they had no hope in hell, and their best bet is let the other side run with the ball - and hope the other side drops it. Instead the Republican party just wants to bitch and complain about everything. The Republican party has changed politics forever - Now it will be acceptable for the loosing side to bitch about everything, drag everything out, and do it's best to bring everything to stand still just to make the other side look bad.

The Republican party needs to wow us to take back the white house.

The most ironic thing, is the only real hope the right at the White House in 2016, baring some unforeseen miracle man is Chris Christie. The best part about that is most Republicans hate his guts because they see him as a traitor being he praised Obama after Sandy. :1orglaugh


Honestly though, I don't know much about how well he is as a governor, but he's the only Republican I've seen so far, whom name has been tossed around for 2016, that doesn't act like a total ass-monger. He's the only guy I could think of that "might" be able to pull swing voters..

Also I read today that Trump might run again.. I'm like really.. I mean really? I'm starting to think he just runs in order to make the other GOP candidates look better.. Then again he's just a publicity whore..