the articles i've read simply describe it as a fuel "issue", not necc a refueling.

it's not unlike any developing story. more is revealed over time.

Whoa, I was simply making an observation on people such as yourself who choose to make a career out of posting on here, no need to go berserk. Maybe you should point out to your caseworker to increase your dosage?

Just here to help. :thumbsup

I'm confused. I thought that just the other day Obama was downplaying his significance, calling him a "hacker" and saying he wasn't going to scramble jets to intercept him. I guess once he was done with the back and forth with Russia and China, he feels a bit different. Now he's got Western Europe on the offensive to go after Snowden.

Black Jesus is confusing.

He reminds me a lot of White Jesus.

that's why he's getting grayer hair on a daily basis.

i'm not going berserk in the slightest. you came out of the blue in a thread about snowden to make some bullshit remarks about how many times i post in a day, after having to do the math on my posting frequency, and my ability to leave my "apartment".

i simply set you straight re: your inquiry.

Question to "some posters" - Does JIDF pay you per post or are you on salary?

please do not drink this flavour of koolaid

does this guy look like he had a fuel issue with his plane and that is why he is standing there?
http://rt.com/news/bolivian-presiden...e-snowden-577/
http://rt.com/files/news/1f/a2/90/00/mm-1.jpg

what are you talking about? you know better? did you read the actual quote i posted above?

again, i am simply looking at the story as it unfolds, why do some of you insist on making that about me drinking koolaid, being bipolar, drugs, post count, or wtfever?

it's ridiculous. i mean really.

do you evenknow what a fuel issue is? because i don't. how is someone with an unknown fuel issue supposed to look? does this guy look like he is kidnapped to you?

A developing story yet you have already come to the conclusion that the Bolivian president is just making it all up....

nope, i am saying it appears that way at this point in time. i said that once, i've mentioned several times i am paying attention dynamically to a story that is unfolding in real time.

certainly i am not the only one here who is aware that the story changes as details emerge.

it's funny though, you are the one who refuses to see that the story has changed.

i've posted updated info you wax right over. either way, i try to have dialogue around topics such as these, for instance i can converse well with dwb on these topics although he and i are very much different in our views of them, but either my view or ability to communicate the view, is not understood by people like you and others. no biggie, but that's what going on. fyi.

your developing story source i would like to see please.

settle down dyna mo.

i mean the figurative koolaid fed to you by the media when a story is obvious bullshit

i wasn't even aware you had issues

i'm perfectly relaxed. i won't explain my postings again, i've done that 2-4x in this thread already. if you want to make underhanded comments about not being aware i have issues, skipping over the fact those were uncalled for jabs in this thread, have it, enjoy yourself, maybe you will feel better about yourself after doing so. hope so.

it's called google, now show your source showing you know my source is bullshit.

http://rt.com/news/bolivian-presiden...e-snowden-577/


i dont give a shit if someone else makes fun of you.

you have never once tried to help me here.

i remain civil...bullies picking on you? tough luck

when did i ever ask you to give a shit? who the fuck are you? i wouldn't know you if i was fucking your sister, nor would i want to.

and that goes double for *helping* you.

i can deal with bullies just fine, read the fucking thread.

hey Dyna mo.
if you want to be treated with respect try giving some.
you come on too strong since you mention my sister and fucking her.
i think you crossed the line. i can see now you are just some useless punk
trust me when i say you are not the gangster you think you are.

it's the simpletons that take issue with my posts. they can't comprehend the middle ground on complex issues. they can only see things in black & white so when i post my view which attempts to find that middle ground, all the simpletons go running to protect their black or white position.

happens every time. it's uncanny. then come in the trolls out of the blue too that couldn't care less about the topic, just see safety in numbers so they drive-by and hurl an attempted insult, like going out of their way to make a jpg, etc.

it's all too funny, classic gfy.

um, you are the one who quoted my post and said something about drinking koolaid. so your mutual respect spiel is real neat and all, i bet you practiced it a couple times to get it right, but it's bullshit.

typical.

you have never heard the term drinking the koolaid?

really?
stop being so paranoid...i don't participate in group hate

it's a disrespectful way to characterize someone's view. you're the one that brought up respect not me. i didn't bring jack shit up in fact, you brought it all up. i didn't say anything about you being a group hater, never even heard of that term, you brought up respect, i let you know if you want respect, then don't couch people's views in terms of them drinking koolaid, that's not respectful at all.

my statement was
please do not drink this flavour of koolaid


sorry it took you for such a turn

this was my reply, i don't think it was such a turn, only when you continued to add to it, did it take such a turn. especially after waxing over my stating i am staying tuned into the story and am updating.

either way, you act like i'm butthurt. you should go check out my acoustic covers thread, we're having good times in there atm.

my reply was

please stop.

That might be the case, but you are assuming the Obama or even the US was involved.

I find it hard to believe that the CIA / NSA / Whomever thought that Snowden was on the plane, ran it all the way up the chain in a matter of a few hours to the President, and then back down the chain all the way to the French government to deny them landing rights?

I think France and other countries just said "fuck this, we don't want to get involved" and denied permission. The last thing any country wants is a situation like they have in London where Julian there is stuck in an embassy.

again richard???


you know what's too bad? obviously, we all are interested in this topic. it's just too bad we can't figure out a way to relate our views and have some dialogue about it. instead we take a topic we all like and try to separate each other on it. i know more than you, my view is right, you are wrong.

but when it gets personal i accept the invite and make it personal too. i've offered a truce about that with richard, he didn't even want to risk trying. ok. i'll do the same here with crocket and phoenix. we can all try a little harder to be respectful in these threads on topics which we all have to admit are interested in or we can get sidetracked into even being more retarded.

i'm open.

there's a lot of common sense in this and it could perhaps explain the fuel *issue* if nations further down the flight path were rerouting or whatever, the pilot could have thought it prudent to top off the tanks earlier than needed.

yes yes yes, fuel issue and Bolivia's officials are making stories about denied flight entrance, after all its very normal thing to do by diplomats - lie about denied flight clearance. And then after you land because of fuel issue you leave the plain and all unhappy sit and answer to reporters etc.

How retarded can anyone be not to understand that "fuel issue" is lame attempt at damage control? :1orglaugh

Actually its even more funny that authors of that story actually believed that someone would be stupid enough to bite :1orglaugh

One more retard :1orglaugh Why do you think Austria searched the plane and why other countries helped to make it happen? They have 0 business with Showden + they do not usually search diplomatic planes, if ever. Of course it was orchestrated by US, I mean are you that naive or stupid? :1orglaugh

the entire story is a he said/she said right now and you are saying anyone that does side with who you think said what is retarded.

you all need to do a group hug and sing some nice peaceful songs together
how about :
Kum ba yah, my lord, Kum ba yah!
Kum ba yah, my lord, Kum ba yah!
Kum ba yah, my lord, Kum ba yah.
O Lord, Kum ba yah

this is too funny, so we have bolivia saying imperialistic kidnapping all set in motion from a call from usa

we have france, italy portugal, spain, etc. all on the record saying they didn't not disallow the flight path

and we have mineistaken, a gfy poster who thinks you are retarded if you don't believe the bolivian version.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

it's a he said, she said situation, dontcha know

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Valid point.

this is the bolivian president's idea of imperialist sponsored kidnapping of foreign heads of state

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3539179.html

Again - you think that its normal for a president and other highest officials to INVENT the story and ACCUSE 4 countries of something like that just for fun? I mean what would be the point for Bolivia to damage relations with 5 countries by making up lies like that?

I mean seriously how stupid can anyone be?

Most likely, you're right.. that involves a lot of President to President phone calls to make anything like that happen. I would imagine it was all agreed to beforehand and they were waiting to push the button or they all agreed beforehand to at least stay out of it and stay neutral.

This stuff is like the opening day of Iraq when the important buildings were bombed, then later troops went in to secure it and confiscate all intelligence docs that weren't destroyed... every country went silent because all of the sudden, no one knew what was going to come out of it. I would imagine most western nations have something to hide and concerns regarding Snowden and things that might possible be said publicly.

From that same article:

"Austrian officials said Morales' plane was searched early Wednesday by Austrian border police after Morales gave permission. Bolivian and Austrian officials both said Snowden was not on board."

"Preventing the passage of a high-ranking government official's jet and even searching it is legal under international law but unprecedented in recent memory, aviation experts said."

Plane was searched and it was unprecedented.

Yep, this is coincidence - unprecedented "fuel stop" and then unprecedented search of presidential plane. It wasn't because of US interest of Showden, no no. Just 2 unprecedented "coincidences" happened at the same day.

How would it be similar situation if France passed the plane? Then Showden (if he was on the plane) would simply reach Bolivia. No "stuck in embassy" situation like you claim.

is it possible snowden has extremely valuable information?

a lot of 'unprecedented actions' have taken place

dyna mo, you used to be pleasant, calm, cool and collected. Now it seems you're always on the offensive.

Everything OK man? I ask because you seem completely opposite of how you used to be and I enjoyed the old you. Not trying to be offensive, just wondering if all is OK in your world these days.

Possible, that is why US asked those few EU countries to stop and to search that plane.

well there is that, there is also all the threatening the US has been doing to China and Russia etc

id have to dig up more info, but it's a rather hilarious list of 'what not to dos'

no i dont think its normal, dipshit. Just like its nog normal for 4 nations to say he had access. Is it normal for a nations president to claim hez been kidnapped, no.

i havd no idea what you are talking about. If you dont *enjoy* the "new" me i dont know what to tell you.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh x 10
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh x 100
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh x1000