just keep your dick and ass and mouth out and you'll be okay , put your heart in tho and make the coin :thumbsup

That is exactly what I meant. It's a combination of many things. If we had even Paypal (other than with Epoch in selected markets with 15% fees) it could change things for many of us. I have some sites with extremely high user engagement and goodwill. I know I could get some decent donations or charge say 10 cents a week and make more from that than I currently do from paysite affiliate programs. But Paypal doesn't allow it and if I try it I'm risking my circa 2002 Paypal account. I tried bitcoin but unfortunately the proliferation of bitcoin users is pretty low. Maybe 0.5% of my visitors have bitcoins.

Just think about it. If you get unique 100,000 visitors a month and you can get just 10% of them to pay $1 a month that would be $10,000 a month. But for a paysite affiliate in 2013 100,000 unique visitors a month usually means 1-5 sales (do the math with common ctr and ratio if you don't believe me). Micro-transactions and alternative payment methods are the next boom waiting to happen for adult. And it could be a tremendous benefit for people at all levels of the industry.

It's going to be ok. :thumbsup

I know how you feel, I work full time, I do this part time, and now moving on to mainstream, just have to go with the flow, unless you have high contacts in high places, lot of people left adult couple of years ago, they knew this was going to happen.

You only fail if you give up.

When i made this thread https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1099102 half the people who responded called me stupid or lazy. Truth is more of us are closer to what mikesinner is than the other way around. I can guarantee that 90% or more of adult affiliate webmasters dont earn at least $1 a day from each website they have and alot dont even earn $1 every day period.

That is why I said it was a problem due to the "banking situation". :) There is a ton of money in it if the banking situation changes. If there is ever an efficient payment system (which say only takes 1-3% no matter what the transaction amount) which has high proliferation (such as being built into the browser using open standards) the model has huge potential. Many people are unwilling to pay $10 a month. But it's far easier to get people to pay $0.50 - $1 a month to access a site they appreciate and use regularly. If you can get even 5-10% of your current visitors to pay it could become highly lucrative for you. I know it would be for me.

If you consider it you will likely see that such a system is a potential answer to relying less on the broken ad model. Newspaper and news sites could definitely use it. As could forums and others. It's not just adult who would benefit. Our payment systems must evolve...

you're fucked.

Mike, you finally got yourself blogging on your own host and that's great.... now, you are starting new and it will take time to get back up......why not write for others in the meantime......you could make more than $20 a day!

You keep saying 100k uniques would bring 1-5 sales but man you are wrong!! I don't know where you get these fucked up numbers man. I've offered, on this board, to help you with paysite sales, to give you a sweetheart deal, and all I hear is crickets in return.

YOU SIMPLY DON'T WANT TO SELL PAYSITES ANYMORE. Not the good ones, anyway.

So keep bitching (and assuming) that if an affiliate sends 100k uniques to a program he will only get 1-5 sales. LMAO. Dude, you sent 100k to MY paysites and you'd make....let's see here....on the conservative side....100 sales.

So either DO IT or just continue to bitch that there's no money in being a paysite affiliate. I'll be harsh here: THER'ES NO MONEY FOR YOU AS A PAYSITE AFFILIATE BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOU SUCK AT IT.

Hey, i tried being nice, tried offering you support, tried offering you revshare deals and exclusive promo content - nada. Instead you just keep bitching and trying to convince everyone the affiliate model is dead. Every single thread that's all you ever say, over and over.

So then WHY do MY affiliates make so much goddamned money? Sorry but your 'send 100k uniques and get 1-5 sales" comment pissed me off. TRY IT and see for yourself but stop assuming all affiliates are in the same boat you are in cause my stats show it simply ain't so.

PEABODYCASH RULES.

/rant.

Wow you're just a regular bundle of joy, aren't you?

http://www.fredcamper.com/PF/Friedrich/14.jpg

All kidding aside, quitting is for quitters.

Hang in there Mike and do consider some of the positive advice that has been offered up in this thread.
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Hey Mike,
I got a message from Mr. Markham like to help you out..can you hit him up..icq is 213327873 or paulmarkham1 on Skype
"Paul Markham (3:27) :
Hi There. I saw your post on Mike's thread. As a fellow cancer sufferer I feel for him and would like to offer him some work, can you ask him to hit me up please."

The thing is, there are still micro-niches that sell.

Is anyone going to get rich promoting them as an affiliate without a massive existing traffic stream? No. But if the goal is just to make a supplementary income each month (or a 'survival' level one if that's your only gig) it's doable even starting from scratch.

You need to investigate what subcultures are out there that *do* have consistent brand loyalty and find adult tie-ins you can market, then do so creatively and with purpose. Try a variety of approaches at first, then refine the ones that produce. You can't just be generic about it like most webmasters who complain of being broke, because yes, then you will make no money. Look at cultural trends even outside of adult, see where a connection can be made, then take a risk or two with approaches you haven't seen before - aside from hosting costs (which can be quite low) there's usually very little $$$ outlay to experiment.

Affiliate marketing isn't a big part of my projects, but I've got a few promotions that send in a steady trickle of signups with very little work on them at this point. Most of the stuff I've promoted in the past basically does not sell at all anymore, but these few sites make up 90% of my affiliate sales - and they have totally outdated designs, substandard tours, none of the tools that most larger programs offer, but they resonate with a certain segment of the population who is actually still willing to pay for something they enjoy, and they offer material that is still a bit hard to find for free. Been thinking of making time to scale up those promotions, but hard to find enough hours in the day as it is.

I'm not saying to keep all your baskets in adult - that's been a bad move for a while. But I am saying there is still some money for small-scale webmasters in the affiliate model (for the time being), it just takes business acumen and creativity.

You just nailed it. Look at 2-4 programs you like, that still rebill or sell and work them hard. Your heart has to be into it. Then when you are writing...go perv. You have to rev your traffic up so they are halfway "there" when they hit your sponsor.

For health, google free clinic, low-income clinic for your area. Find the best government financed program you can find. They exist. Counties and states MUST have them to get funding. See a doctor. Get yourself on the mend.

Skype tutoring is a fantastic idea. If you can speak clearly and slowly and be a nice person offer services to shut ins, people in remote areas, people wanting to learn English.

Last resort, find a Unitarian church and talk to the rev. Seek guidance and help.
I am not Unitarian but my experiences with them have been great. Sounds like you can really use the advice of a qualified person who can step back, look at your situation realistically and get you started on the right path.

I've read this entire thread and rooting for you. That said, you need a little tough love from me so you can see the opportunities staring you in the face in this thread. I saw more than one offer to hire you/buy your blog posts and your reply was that you didn't have samples. Seriously doll, pull yourself up by your bootstraps and knock out a couple quality posts and get them over to these guys. They want to help you and you and you have the time to create samples. I know it's not easy to pull out of depression but you can do it, you have offers of help here. don't miss these opportunities to generate some immediate income. I truly wish you the best of luck.

I can see why you are upset. Here I am telling many people (affiliates) not to bother with paysites and that potentially hurts your business. But I'm just being honest.

If I could send 100,000 visitors per month to your paysites Mr. Peabody without forcing them there then I have no doubt that I would get filthy rich from it. But that's not what I said. I said 100,000 unique visitors to my site and with a ctr of .75% that means less than a 1,000 of them will ever hit your site. The difference between the two is huge. If your paysite converts at 1:1000 for me with your affiliate tracking then that means I might not even get a sale a month from that.

If I'm operating a tube or something equally bandwidth and server resource intensive then I might not even make a profit from that model alone. It's a lot of work too when you think about it. Here I am running a site with 100,000 unique people coming through it and I might not even be making a profit or if I am it's barely anything.

That's just not acceptable to me. I want more for that exposure. I want more for my time. The reality behind being a paysite affiliate radically changed in the last few years. When it was 1:400 with a 5% ctr it was totally different. That same 100,000 visitors to my site would have yielded over 12 sales and they would have rebilled longer too allowing me to build up revenues.

Don't be mad. I'm just telling it as it is. It's not an individual affiliate's fault. It's not doing something wrong. It's simple math. When you drop the ctr because people know they can get the product for free while at the same time increase the ratios for the same reason this is what happens. It's unavoidable. It sucks. But that's the way it is. I'm not going to blow smoke up MikeSinner's ass and tell him to "keep building" and sending to traffic to paysite affiliate programs when I know damn well he'll probably end up starving a year from now. That's not the way I am. I treat others as I would want to be treated and that means not bullshitting them. I give honest advice.

It's the 4th of July so I'm being anti-British for one day so take that into consideration. LOL But to your point:

Then what you're talking about is CTR. If you have 100k hitting YOUR website - BTW, DO you have 100k uniques to send ANYwhere? Just asking - and you're getting a 0.75% CTR then you would be sending less than 1k hits and then you would be correct in your negative assumptions.

BUT:

that's assuming a 0.75 CTR. With my content/promo tools I see these CTRs:

Tubes (does depend but averaging them altogether): 2.50
Blogs: 3.50
TGPs: 2.75
Banner clicks (advertising on tubes): 2.40
Bnnaer clicks (advertising on non-tubes): 2.25

So let's double your 0.75 CTR and get a whopping 1.5 CTR (still way below my averages). Then you'd send about 1500k uniques, yes? Realistically that's 3 sales, maybe 4-5. It would depend on your traffic (is it coming from searches? Tubes? Bookmarkers? Loyal readers of your Blog? Etc).

Not having seen your sites it's impossible for to tell how many clicks an ad or video or gallery of mine would get but as I said, having over 1000 affiliates now and having been in business for 4 1/2 years, I can tell where my sales are coming from and they are indeed coming from tubes, blogs, TGPs, ad buys and others.

Also i would honestly say: IF you have 100k uniques to send somewhere then you should be making much more than 1-5 sales with that traffic. If you're promoting Brazzers, BangBros, etc then a 1:20k would be normal these days. LOL

CTR can be maddening - you get 100k visitors (or views on tubes, or gallery views, or whatever) and yet only see 1k-ish going to a moneymaker. The numbers are indeed staggering and I would understand wanting to do something else with that traffic. But having said that, cams and dating can be tricky, Sponsers are closing shop/playing games....I do understand how difficult it is.

But last thought here: the alternative for affiliates is to give up on paysites, to focus on cams and dating companies until there are few of THEM left that are profitable. I truly believe things change and we will will see a return to strong paysite sales in the near future. The tube model cannot sustain itself and generational turnover will keep things interesting.

Ok, time for hot dogs, baseball, apple pie and good ol' fashioned AMERICAN HEDONISM on our Birthday. Sorry England, no Kings allowed today. :D

this song is for you mike

It's not 100k to send, the example is 100k hitting the affiliate's site. It's a big difference.

0.75% ctr is about what I see per spot with most of the newer sites I work with when I put up paysite banners or links. Admittedly they no longer have prime spots but even with a top header it was pretty bad and near 1%. Also I don't build sites anymore with selling paysites in mind. I don't use sponsor content or if at all it's under 10% sponsor content. They aren't even porn sites technically.

Historically I used to be able to achieve 3% ctr just a few years ago with a couple good spots. But it has fallen and with each additional ad spot added you see diminishing returns.

What is happening these days is that people see it is a spot for a paysite and they don't click because they have no interest in paying. Or if they do click it's to see what to search for in Google to get it for free.

If I do see something getting a great ctr and it's converting I will notice it and try promoting the hell out of it. But that is barely happening anymore for paysites. It's rare.

For cam sites and with cam traffic I'm able to get up to a 20% ctr and convert to 1:20 unique to free still. It's a totally different ball game there. If I make a similar site for paysites which is focused on selling paysite memberships I'm lucky to get a 1% ctr even if it's micro-niche. They don't care to pay for the product. They just don't want it and have no interest. Why should they? They've probably seen it before and it's available for free elsewhere with one or two clicks.

In the very old days you could easily get 10% ctr and 1:200. Yes. The difference was the demand for the product.

Your stated ctr rates are very good. Where is that from and are you only counting the actual clicks definitely from a click on the promo or are you also counting type ins? That's another thing where affiliates tend to get screwed. Most promo materials have the site url all over them. The affiliate ends up getting credit for half the people he or she actually sent. You have to account for these differences when trying to see what the affiliate experience is. If you cut the ctr in half, you just cut the affiliate revenue in half too all other things being equal. All this stuff matters.

I have to go where the money is and where I get the best returns for my time.

I was thinking about your posts and thought, 'I bet the CTR for paysites was around 10% only 5-7 years ago..." LOL I have little long-term perspective because I've only been doing this during the "struggling years". If I were around when all you had to do was throw up some pics and make a killing I'm sure my attitude would be differant.

The above CTR numbers my stats tell me, so it's clicking on banners or links, basically, from the affiliate. Type-ins are hard to calcula

So you end up 'spreading out' the type-in figure which is unfair to individual affiliates with various traffic sources. Bottom line: I understand sending your traffic to where it makes you the most moolah. I would be doing the same!

I would still try promoting my shit since, compared to many paysites, my CTR rocks. Still, getting $12 per sale vs. $x from a cam sale is a determining factor. Shit, I promote cams within my Members Areas and I have 1 guy who buys about $400 a month via cams. LOL Crazy shit.

I've actually read through a bunch of Mike's posts and can say he doesn't take people's advice or offers of help. He ignored me in this thread and has ignored others, too. I am EXTREMELY sensitive to other people's physical issues (disabilities, cancer, physical or mental issues, etc) and think the Internet/online businesses have been a Godsend for those of us who need to work from home. Having said that, I think Mike isn't willing (yet) to do the hard work it would take to make a success of his situation.

I know what I'm talking about. Here:

http://www.themisterpeabody.com/story.html

So until Mike decides he MUST do xyz he simply won't, no matter what I, you or anyone on this board (or anywhere) says. in the end, you gotta pull YOURSELF UP. Others can be supportive but, in the end, YOU must be the one to actually do something about your situation. Therefore, no more giving a shit from me. LOL

Mike I've seen you post several threads like this over the years and you always seem to blow off advice. I offered one-on-one help with you once, I never heard from you. I see others offering good help to you as well and you blow them off.

I understand that you have a health condition that creates complications for you, but trust me, you are not the only one in this industry that has problematic health conditions. That is one of the great things about adult and the Internet in general, it allows people like you to showcase their strengths and minimize their weaknesses.

Stop feeling sorry for yourself and get back to work. Take up some of the nice offers that have been listed in this thread while you get back on your feet and begin moving forward.

YES! You can still make good money by blogging, it's just going to take time for you to start getting money from your rebuilt blogs. I get all my adult income from my blogs and yes ratios have gotten worse but by building more and more blogs it has all evened out. I only have a few multiwordpress installs, I mainly setup my blogs on individual domains and that has been working well for me.

Hell even if you're not converting well you can make money just by redirecting all your mobile.

what he said :thumbsup

Like others have pointed out - Find a niche that you are into and still updates. That way you can make informed posts about the subject and gain the respect of your readers. They will bookmark and come back. Some may buy after one visit, others after 10. Just keep updating.

Meanwhile, Find a girl that will take care of you.

Oh yeah it was crazy fifteen years years ago when I first started. I'm sure you heard many stories so I won't share that one. But it wasn't too bad five years ago either. Before I wouldn't share this much for fear that I would hurt my own income but now I'm much less concerned as the method is dead.

On the very day when the Lehman brothers went bankrupt in September 2008 I signed up to promote a single niche paysite. On a whim I decided to put up just a couple links on the old Yahoo Groups in a few selected groups. I'll be damned if within 15 minutes of putting up a link (no spam involved here at all, mind you.) I had a sales email notification. I thought holy shit this is just a fluke, right? Then another one came. And another. By the end of the day there was over 15 sales from just those few links. Meanwhile I remember watching all hell break lose on TV about the U.S. financial markets melting down and the possibility of bank runs. :upsidedow Eagerly I checked my stats and those 15 sales were legit and they came on less than 1000 hits. :upsidedow I went on to make thousands every month from that one site. It was the most success from a single paysite ratiowise I had ever had since 1999. I promoted it as hard as I could and found ways to drive traffic despite there being almost no sponsor content or promo banners. I found the program's stats at one point and I saw I was sending them around at least 50% of their traffic. I considered starting up my own paysite to rival them since clearly I could do it but in the end I figured that the market was on the decline and the long term viability wasn't there. I was right too because sadly the performance of the site tapered off almost into nothingness. Now it just converts at about what the average site used to five years ago. It's good for the times but not knock your socks off good as it once was.

This kind of thing made it worth while. I would kill to find a site which converts like that again. I think any affiliate would. But the problem is they just aren't around or if they are they are very well hidden. :) You see now the customers expect it for free. The file lockers have entire site rips. The tubes are full of full scenes. Some of the sponsors now even upload a lot of their own content in desperation.

That site by the way? I bet I sent more sales to it in a single day than any tube has ever sent them. Or probably more than all tubes combined have sent them on a single day I'm pretty sure. They are still around and they are very small. The rebills were great too. On average 3-4 months. > $30 a month price. Oh yeah and their content wasn't even exclusive. :upsidedow If you hit things just right, you could make a lot fairly easily. Even that recently.

There is a whole world outside of adult folks. Been doing mainstream for over a year now and it's great. Still have some stuff in adult but its mostly on autopilot

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make free blogs embed moves stick with jucyads and plugrush and ather like this
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i made now about 20$ aday from all of this just traffic arabic shit traffic
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my opinion here... if u dont own a site but blog with others content u need fresh unique content to blog about along with a journal or podcast just to stay relevant. put yourself out there if u wanna get paid my nigga. come to DR, CR, PI, or thailand then blog about ur unique experience, and promote appropriate niche sponsors that convert like crack...

Flexible white labels are the key to the future. The more template edits allowed, the better.

Just putting banners on your site RUINS your seo these days... Putting 2 to 3 banners on my site completely KILL my google keyword positions these days. so, banners are REALLY startin to f sht up. The best is to put original content, and most importantly...original text descriptions on your sites...and without outbound links. The more u do this, the chances of gettin google keyword traffic dramatically go up. Most adult webmasters aren't that bright...and usually just think along the lines of "yo yo yo....i gonna put mad banners on my site...and make mad money".


white labels, white labels, white labels....and the more customized and distinguished they are , they better. You MUST customize the meta tags towards the keywords in your domain...otherwise it's a complete waste.

For signups, organic google keywords (or bing, yahoo, etc) are the best. With good keywords, you could have a 1-20 signup ratio frequently....with just clicks from other sites it can go up to 1-1,000,000,000 .

This is why people obsess and drive themselves nuts with Google. (like myself)

With the latest friggin penguin update, my sht got f'd up even more. and i'm still fuming over it. It's like we live and die over google...right ?

Also, if u run a blog site...at the top of each site...put a little original description up there to fool the visitors....most people lookin at porn will believe anything. something like this will work -

"Last year we were voted as the top ranked adult provider on the net, with award winning 24/7 customer service"

just some junk like that works fine....there's noway to prove if it's right/ or wrong....plus , most sites are deceptive like this anyway....it's just the way of the internet.... just look at peoples FB's profiles these days....it's deception galore....but if it makes them money, more power to em.

It'll help your signup rates, telling your visitors how powerful and well-liked of a site u have. (even if ur full of sh*t)

also, mike...I completely hear ya with trying to go back and work at a normal job....when doing something like this for so many years. I don't think I could EVER go back myself to a normal job.

hang in there and concentrate on Google keyword traffic / find some good white label programs.

:stoned

ADG

People do not pay for regular paysites, why would they pay for those sites that accept micro payments? Besides that it would be cheaper. Principle is still here - people do not want to pay for porn.

1% ctr on blogs? You guys know about good text links in posts right? Linking pics to tours? 10% ctr and more is still piss easy with blogs. Getting the traffic in the first place, not so much (for me anyway).

Could you explain a bit how do you count CTR on your blogs?
I count CTR this way:
If 1000 people lands on my blog and 200 of them clicks aff link and hits my sponsor it means 20% CTR for me. And I thought it was bad CTR, but seeing you post 3.50 I am confused.

I thought the same until I started sprucing up the wording of the 'benefits' of what subscribing members get...and then the signups came back. You really gotta get creative.

be sure to mention new sht....like how "all our content is Now viewable on iPads, Mobiles, PS3's, and practically anything".

mention how they'll get "tons of exclusive HD content...not viewable anywhere else , Frequent Updates , Safe and secure transactions with easy cancellations"


also , if you run a blog site and the owner of it is a hot chick....put stuff like

"once your a member, keeping in contact is so much easier ;-) "

To their mind....who knows what that means to them...even if ur an old, fat dude writing it...

just some more radical tips. :)

I agree, I read his posts since around 2006 and he always, always ignored advice. Most notorious - everybody advised him not to build thumblogger's business and instead build on his own domain/domains. This was just one of the many advices or offers he ignored.

Tell us more, what is expected income from those redirects?

What a great thread guys!

Some of us have to take a real hit before we become teachable. Been guilty of this trait many times myself in the past :2 cents:

That is true, but mike's case is extreme in this regard. I mean even in this thread he does not take up on offers, some people even wanted to hire him and he "does not have samples" :)
Didn't he even build any single blog since TB collapsed to show as sample? If not - can't he cook few samples in 30 minutes? No, its better to just reply "I have nothing to show" and continue to ignore any other advice as well.
It looks pathological, its like he reads any offer/advice, after that he reads another post/reply and forgets the offer/advice from the previous post. Or something like that :)
Another example - some guy offered private help and had to repeat that one more time for mike to even contact him..

One sale in January.
Thumblogger went down in April.
The answer to your question is, NO.

I remember being one of a handful of people at The Pond back in early 2009 trying to convince you to channel your efforts into creating a few of your own [ quality ] sites that could attract as just many if not more surfers than all your blogs and splogs combined.

I am going to recommend it again.

Even a single page site with less than 1K daily traffic can bring in $250 or more per month in new sales + rebills in exchange for $150 yearly hosting and 1-2 hours per week performing design tweaks and SEO.

The resistance is much less at $0.10 to $0.99 per month or week or year than it is at $10.00 - $40.00 a month. It's easier to justify too.

"We took off all the ads on our site and we give you 30,000 videos, 200,000 photos, and 5,000 stories all for only $0.10 a month to help us pay for our servers. One stinking dime gets you all this!"

You could do it by voluntary donations or you could flat out restrict access until it's paid or some combination thereof. I really think it could work well. But you have to offer something unique or have some sort of unique spin on it. The sites I have it in mind for aren't porn and are somewhat unique. I know people would bite if there were a convenient and safe payment method to do it.

On blog posts where you are linking pics to the sponsor, yes. On the sidebars or headers/footers, no. The sites I'm working with are closest to tubes than blogs. Paysites are on the sidebar only atm. I had them on the top header but the numbers were bad and I had to move them off.

change your banners to what look like videos with a play button. Semi-blind but your ctr will jump for sure. the top header is the only part of your page that is 100% guaranteed to be seen by 100% of visitors. Think about that.

No text at all under or above the vids in the tube-style blogs? You need text with links within to get your ctr flowing..

hope things get better

Thanks Jel. I've tried odd sized banners there. I did try a closeup photo in that spot with the implication that it needed to be clicked to see the whole thing. That got 1.5% ctr but the conversions weren't there and the ctr trickled away over time.

It's a high user interaction site and fits more with the demographics of a forum. So you get the same people over and over with some new ones mixed in. It's not the type of site where you hope people will come through from Google, click a sponsor and then go away to come back next week or month maybe. I don't want to say much more so as to not give away what I'm doing :) but it's more meant to sell dating although years ago it would have also been able to sell adult paysites like crazy too. Unfortunately although I don't put up porn on my site or allow it most of my users seem to know where to go to get all the free porn they could ever need. They are highly savvy. :(

I surely hope the economy rebounds more soon.

Semi off-topic, but I know some folks who were helped by products from farrlabs.com and some doctors (maybe a clinic?) can give you a first time coupon for a freebie. You might even just be able to email the site and ask for a free sample to try out. If it lets you work in a different environment, then you'll be able to afford refills and, if it doesn't work for you, nothing lost.