Looks like they are both at fault. You can't even see what's happening outside the camera view when he fires the gun though (this will help him) cause he could've been in danger

Also the kids will get sued and lose cause it was clearly excessive. For example if you push someone they can't exactly beat you down. Same with if someone beats you up, you can't exactly kill them (after the fact).

Even extreme cases worse then this eg. 4 guys vs 1 guy - the excessive guy lost in civil case like Bernhard Goetz.

You can see for sure the kids were excessive, but you don't know for sure 100% the old guy was excessive

True ?..

The idiot was in the wrong the minute he started a physical altercation without being in immediate danger himself. The traffic problem was obviously over. If I pulled over and beat people every time I got cut-off on my motorcycle I would be the nations biggest serial killer by now.

Also never throw a pussy first punch. If you start something it should end quickly not be the catalyst for an ass whipping.

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The old guy started it; the younger guys have not done anything wrong in that video.

That's why you boot fuck a clown like that till he is snoring. Takes the gun out of play.

they did though, cause they beat him up. All he did was throw a wimpy push punch (probably to try and act tough) but definitely when you throw a push punch at 2-3 guys one can argue that you're not intending to knock all 3 guys out with it. You can see what they did was clearly excessive in retaliation to what he did (with the push punch).

And perhaps shooting at the kids was excessive to the beatdown he got. But its hard to say cause the kids ran back to the car and you don't know if they were going to go grab something or not because its off camera

To be honest, I really do not know what the law says when you have the issue of guy one attacking guy two with guy three deciding he needs to get involved. If guy one had not brought the gun into play it is possible guy three might be charged with assault. Tough call, but since guy one was the aggressor it is kind of his problem.

in my opinion, if someone comes swinging at you, its your right to physically take them down without the use of lethal force. i will add that it seems those kids took the opportunity of someone coming at them to lay a beatdown they probably didn't need to go as far as they did but they didn't even knock him so it couldn't of been that brutal. thing is, how do you know after that pussy punch that the guy wouldn't of pulled out a gun. you have some loose cannon come up to your vehicle, punch you and you don't know whats next.

my apologies, it just seemed like you didn't even want to take into consideration that the older guy fired a shot. i was wrong.

Even if he had not fired a shot, he was wrong for pulling the gun; they were retreating. See, this is where the audio is weird or his wife [accidentally?] discharged it before handing it to him.

Actually, just watched it two more times and I don't know if that first noise is a shot or not. He was pretty dumb approaching a truck that had at least three people in it.

Zimmerman has stated that he did not shoot Martin because he was in a fist fight...or was on the losing end of a fight. He has stated that when his jacket pulled up and Martin spotted his handgun and went for the gun...while uttering a threat to his life...that is when he beat Martin to the gun and then he shot him.

LOL and where did that happen? In the matrix?

Try listening to testimony. :2 cents:

I was totally on the boys side but then read a comment on that Gawker page...
"This guy is clearly a crazy a-hole, but I hope those little f-er's are arrested too. Yeah let's cut people off, and videotape them when they're angry. They could have called the cops and not had a brawl. Keepin' it classy kids!!!"

He's right, both sides are as bad as each other.

Bullshit!

That dude came over to the kids car and punched him in the face then got his ass beat for it.

Then he got a gun.

The shooting is not on the video tape.

what the fuck are you talking about? The guy punched the kid in the face, is he supposed to just call the cops and wait for them come wHile the old guy keeps punching him in the face?

like I said, they are as bad as each other but the fact is they were already filming, why? they knew they'd pissed someone off by driving badly?
And yes, he did throw the first punch which is why I was on the kid's side first of all but once the bloke hit the deck they just kept on putting the boot in. they all should face charges.

the wife is to blame. female with a gun, duh.

You should do an experiment for us. Allow a person to punch you in the face while standing, then allow that same person to get on top of you with you on the ground, head against the cement and let him punch you in the face again. Report back to us if there is any difference.

Wouldn't it be nice if people wouldn't rage over stupid little things?

Ive had my share of road rage arguments, I drive slower (not very) and safer than usual, but the guy behind me thinks its their duty to give me shit about it.

Well they can go fuck themselves.

I'm pretty good with words, sometimes they end up apologizing, and sometimes they give the finger and speed off like they own the fucking world.

Nothing you can do, some people are just natural dicks.

Bullshit!

They threw the guy back onto the truck and he went down and they never touched him
after that. They popped him in the face until he was down and they should have.

Bottom line, he followed them home because he knew he had a gun!

So when someone follows you home they are dangerous.

Trayvon beat Zimmerman's ass for the same reason the same way.
See the bloody nose and back of the head hitting the truck and concrete?

Exact same wounds, exact same shit.

I watched it a few times - fairly sure the first noise is his head slamming against the vehicle fender. The sound sync seems fairly accurate - judging by the smack sounds as the kids' fists hit him.

It is what Zimmerman told the police in his multiple statements to the police as placed in evidence...by the prosecution...at the trial. It is what Zimmerman told his father and friends...after the incident took place...as reported by his father and friends...to the media.

You're so way off.

When I punch standing up I will put the thrust of my legs into the punch.
No way can I hit as hard on my knees, it's ridiculous.

Please show me the UFC knock out punch thrown from the ground in this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DoVLN_ZwF4


Hint, there isn't one.

The news article clearly states that this video is taken before the shooting occurred.
Dumb motherfuckers rather argue than read.

:1orglaugh

Which is pretty much what happened to Zimmerman, although we aren't sure who started it. When are you on the loosing end of a fight and you are armed... You pull your firearm and that ends that.

I'm pretty sure that Trayvon is not on the phone talking to the cops and following Zimmerman.

If you are following me then you already started some shit.

:2 cents:

Been there, done that. I was beat to an inch of my life. My beat down wasn't a minute long, it was two hours. I spent a week in the hospital recovering.

Show me which one of those guys has the back of his head against the cement. Then report back back to me who's way off....

Hint... you can't. But I'll give you half a golf clap for effort.

But to explain my point... Getting hit in the head while your head is against an object, say like the cement, the cement will cause a lot more damage to that area of the head than to the area being hit. Both the area being hit and the area against the cement will take damage.

Now lets add in that the head being hit has no where to move (i.e.... snapping back when hit while on your feet), now I may not be a Dr. but I think it's safe to say that is likely to multiply the damage.

I remember you telling me this before. Some people are just viscous asshats with no regard for others

Zimmerman's injuries were insignificant.
The dude scraped his head on the concrete, the skin is not split like his head was slammed.
Pure fiction.

Zimbo got his ass beat just like the dude in the video than pulled out a gun.

He didn't exit the car with the gun, the wife brought it out after he'd been slapped around. it's not like he walked up to the car right away and stuck the gun through the window. anyway, it's not like I care, they are all as bad as each other.

You know... It's a long story, but there was two of them. I got a long, paid vacation and they went to prison. I follow both of them.... Both of them have spent the rest of their lives bouncing in and out of prison for the past twenty years. It's kind of fun to watch.

really? ..

This is basically the testimony of the prosecutors medical examiner.

You mean the chick that based her testimony on photographs rather than examining GZ personally? Yeah, that is some pretty damning evidence. :1orglaugh

You're right, the shooting wasn't on the videotape.

And the incident that preceded this altercation wasn't either.

Who's to say that the kids didn't deliberately cut the guy off just for shits and giggles?

The guy with the gun was clearly in the wrong, but I'm not exactly convinced that he's the only one there that was.

Basically half of GFY seems to think if you pick a fight and get your ass kicked because your a weak bitch then you should be allowed to shoot the guy beating on you.

According to some people all you need to do to justify murder is goat someone into punching you in the face. Then its fair game.

Guess its never been a better time to be a shit talking, fight starting pussy in the USA

Where did you read that?

does it really matter if the kids cut him off or something similar? i can see it now..ah yes your honor, i punched the driver of that truck because he cut me off. oh really, well in that case all charges are dropped...mmhmm someones purposely bad driving is not an excuse for assault.

That's my point - according to some of the folk here on GFY (with an average IQ only slightly higher than an insane asylum) it could be considered life threatening and you can now kill and shoot them.

This guy was slammed up against his truck by two guys, Zimmerman was punched in the face? What's the difference? They are both not life threatening.