Liberalism is a disease.

republicans are a cancer on the government; democrats are unbridled obesity. both of them are diseases that will destroy the country on behalf their special interests.

Saying "elect Hillary and see what she does" is not a discussion . . . especially when you do not even live here. :2 cents:

They say that every time a new president takes office. After hearing it for forty years I've learned to ignore it.

Obamacare should raise rates. It's designed to cover more people

But we just need to scrap the whole for profit healthcare nonsense and do single paying gov option already. Luckily conservatives killed that option but now complain about what we ended up with

nevermind. my bad for getting into a political thread. peace out.

I agree...IF we are going to continue to allow insurance companies, the federal govt., big pharma, and big corporations that own hospitals to all hold hands and keep jacking up prices ($50 for a dixie cup to drink water)...then we should just say "fuck it" and let the federal govt. tax us even more. Even though we are already so far in debt we are never getting out of it.

But what I don't understand is...in 2009 Obama had a Democrat Senate AND House majority.
Why didn't he do it then? Conservatives didn't "kill" it.

ANSWER: Because there's too much money to be made from the Insurance Company lobbyists! And the Federal Govt. under Bush had just bailed out THE main insurance company AEG with hundreds of billions of dollars.

Health insurance companies would be out of business with govt. healthcare (single pay). No way that ANY of these crooked politicians (including Obama) were going to do that.

He didn't even TRY to do single pay. Even though the Democrats COULD have passed it (though they did not want any part of that despite the bullshit they say).

They had the chance. And proved once again that ALL politicians are in it for the money.

When Obamacare insists on mandatory vitamin deficiency tests I will give it some credit.

I agree. Citizens united needs to go first

Anytime you get protesters, you are going to see the nuts come out. As big as the crowds were, it was small in comparison to the numbers of all of them. And the protesters were peaceful.
I think I have it right

Bernanke had to be extremely cautious in his announcement, since in May markets plunged after Bernanke told Congress that the Fed might reduce its purchases of bonds within a relatively short time, as early as September.

Read more: http://digitaljournal.com/article/354613#ixzz2bzJGzERr

It's not about better off or even a comparison, I really could give a shit who's fault it is, I want to see some leadership and get these things fixed. Things are not better

Sorry, I don't see it that way

I agree, but the closest we have got to a new political party was Ross Perot

in my opinion. true change will happen when the federal credit card is maxed out & the millenials take power from the boomers.

As far as im concerned all the countries plagues can be attributed to baby boomers. its that shithole generation that is fueling the culture wars. all the accounting scandals of the last decade happened on their watch. the culture of wall street greed that started in the 80s coincides with boomers taking power. they are the generation preventing reforms to entitlements to make them fiscally stable. to blame 1 party is a misnomer; its a generation thing not a party thing. The dysfunction of both parties is because boomers are running both parties!

nothing will truly change until the boomers & all their self serving shenanigans die.

How does it feel?
How does it feel?
Oh how does it feel?

To be on your own?
With no direction home?
Like a rolling stone?

It feels exactly like that.

Truer words never spoken, but partisans don't wanna hear that shit. "How dare you invade my warped reality bubble with facts?!?! I got nothin' now, so I'm just gonna call you names!" We have plenty of belligerent blowTards on this board alone that pull this crap. Wonder where they get it from...oh wait, I don't wonder. It's probably a combo of natural talent and mimicking their favorite TV/Radio blowTards.

:winkwink::(:1orglaugh:Oh crap:disgust:mad:

A-fuckin'-men. Publicly Funded Elections FTW. www.wolf-pac.com

I am potassium deficient. Strange.

I eat two banana's a day

You are what you eat. :2 cents:

Maybe that's why your breath smells like shit?

The gun industry should send Obama a pretty nice Christmas card. I can't imagine they have had so many profitable years as the last 5 or so.

Every time I hear some one saying he's gonna take our guns I'm reminded of the redneck sound clip from south park where they say.. Gonna take our jobs..

The problem with Obamacare is the states themselves have been able to sabotage it. The idiocracy that Florida has done with Obamacare is just well pure stupidity. .

Yet the mistakes have all been done by the state govt as they have tried to undermine Obamacare but of course the tax payers there will suffer for it, while laying blame on Obama instead of the people running their state.

That's creative.

Tell me again how I threatened your daughter. If you're going to make slanderous statements on a public board you damn well better have proof.

hypokalemia or the one for plants? ;) How did you discover you were potassium deficient? Cramps?

There are gene mutations that can prevent the body from being able to absorb vitamins and minerals the normal way (through food). That is goodgirl's problem with her Biotinidase deficiency. B7 is in everything, no one tests for a deficiency of B7 . . . . the problem is, the gene mutation means she does not have the enzyme that breaks away to B7 from the protein it is attached to, so it is not absorbed and she just pisses it out.

Are you suggesting your breath does not smell like shit? For the record, it would not be slander.

Why aren't you mentioning what Congress and The Senate have done to THEIR version of it.

Don't you see that they consider themselves to be above you and I?

You know, we the people...the ones who pay taxes and actually work for a living...we get the shit version of "ObamaCare".
It was sold to us that it was going to lower everybodies health care costs.

Now we find out it's going to damn near double it.
WTF?

What is the point of this whole thing then?

I'll tell you what it is...it's to make more money for the insurance companies. Common sense said that from the very start.

No action was taken by the govt. to actually STOP big pharma and the big medical corps that own hospitals from the outrageous price gouging that they do.
Matter of fact the FIRST thing Obama did was have a "behind closed doors" meeting (after promising to be 100% transparent on health care and even televise it on CSPAN...another of his long list of lies) with big pharma and make agreements that he would NOT stop them from price gouging. :(

You know the actual COST of "healthcare".

This is a fucking train wreck.

Further strain on the govt which is already in debt so far it can never be repaid.

And further strain on private citizens who are already barely able to pay their bills in this economy...now they are FORCED to pay for insurance (and that insurance is now MORE expensive).

And on top of everything else: companies are cutting people's hours to 29 a week to avoid having to buy insurance so they can stay alive.

What a fucking scam this is!

Meanwhile...Congress and The Senate get a "subsidy" for their ObamaCare to pay an extra 75% (courtesy of the taxpayers) for them and their entire staff.

We don't get that "subsidy". We get fucked.

Ugh, I could only imagine what the breath of an old man like yourself smells like. :1orglaugh

Good post. Instead of bickering about things we should all agree that Congress should get the same healthcare and more the same pay as the average American gets. I think then you would start to see some major changes.

Want to see something funny (sad)? Look up the current Florida governor (who helped deny the Medicaid expansion) and how he made most of his money and what happened to the company he was the CEO of during his watch. http://www.politifact.com/florida/ar...e-columbiahca/ Kind of hard to believe, isn't it?

I had cramps - charlie horses - and had some some blood work done. I take a pill a day and try to eat a banana or two a day, problem solved.

It just seems to me like it's become the rally cry of the loosing side as a desperate attempt to confuse people into voting the other way.

I would love to see this really. Your yearly salary is based on the average median salary as the members of your state. You get the same benefits and perks as the average citizen - no special banking or barbers.

The downside with this is most of them in Congress are millionaires already.

I had the same problem, Banana's worked

I love how liberals will follow their politicians because they will protect them, with 20,000 gun laws on the books in the US, you would think that maybe, just maybe criminals don't follow laws?

Dial it back a bit Lloyd. I'm Canadian, and that's not my logic. It's one Canadian's opinion only.

Fact is Canada is as divided on your country's politics as you are. :D

You are right, I apologize. I should probably put him back on ignore. Prince and _Richard_ give Canadians a bad name.

can't all be boot lickers

Isn't Canada being ran by Conservatives right now and doing pretty good?

Serious Question

Yes ( but not the US type of conservatives, tough some are trying to be as wacko.. ) and NO the country is not doing that great:

Since the " conservatives " are in power , we have being piling up decifits :

http://www.cbc.ca/news/interactives/canada-deficit/ ( click on the premiers on the left ... you will see )

The liberals, with Chretien, brought back the surplus, only to be blown away by the conservative Steven Harper .

Amazingly similar to the USA with Bill Clinton and G. W. Bush

What is funny ( well, not really ) is that the conservative have runned on economy and fiscal responsability ... but have then debated abortion and cutting social services.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

If the US would stop wasting so much money, it could afford every social service you could dream up.

Clinton had a surplus because of Newt working with Clinton, that's what happens when the two parties work together, they haven't since then.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/08...o-debate-them/
Good read

Actually no, Newt closed the gov remember ? Newt said the tax hike would be the end of the economy remember? Actually the last time they all worked together was during bush the first.

2 shutdowns totaling 28 days in 95 and 96

It was after the government shut down that they worked together on the Contract with America and balanced the federal budget. 1997

Clinton was more concerned with passing healthcare, sounds familiar?

Taxpayer Relief Act of 1997
Welfare reform August 22, 1996


Although congressional Republicans had opposed Clinton's Deficit Reduction Act of 1993, a key aspect of the 1994 Contract with America was the promise of a balanced federal budget. After the end of the government shutdown, Gingrich and other Republican leaders acknowledged that Congress would not be able to draft a balanced budget in 1996. Instead, they opted to approve some small reductions that were already approved by the White House and to wait until the next election season.

By May 1997, Republican congressional leaders reached a compromise with Democrats and President Clinton on the federal budget. The agreement called for a federal spending plan designed to reduce the federal deficit and achieve a balanced budget by 2002. The plan included a total of $152 billion in Republican sponsored tax cuts over five years. Other major parts of the spending plan called for $115 billion to be saved through a restructuring of Medicare, $24 billion set aside to extend health insurance to children of the working poor, tax credits for college tuition, and a $2 billion welfare-to-work jobs initiative.

President Clinton signed the budget legislation in August 1997. At the signing, Gingrich gave credit to ordinary Americans stating, "It was their political will that brought the two parties together."
In early 1998, with the economy performing better than expected, increased tax revenues helped reduce the federal budget deficit to below $25 billion. Clinton submitted a balanced budget for 1999, three years ahead of schedule originally proposed, making it the first time the federal budget had been balanced since 1969


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newt_Gingrich

If debating them in public, be careful because they are known to carry guns in places they don’t need them, like public parks and bars and churches.

Wow, yeah, that's a good read, NOT

Yes, well of course the only reason we had a surplus was because of Newt.

Where did I say that?

Geez Richard, quit trying to put a spin on everything.

I gave credit to Clinton working with Newt, but the only way you can debate that is this?




Just how do you feel about Obama, since we are giving aid to the Egypt military and they killed over 500 people this week?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...s-foreign-aid/

Pretty bad. Obama should be ashame of himself, not having the guts to call a coup a " coup " and by law cut all aid to Egypt ...

Today, if I was american, I would not vote for Obama ... I would just not vote.

Wow, we agree on something, let's write this down!

Hey Rochard, here's the latest on the NSA
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...125_story.html

The NSA audit obtained by The Post , dated May 2012, counted 2,776 incidents in the preceding 12 months of unauthorized collection, storage, access to or distribution of legally protected communications. Most were unintended. Many involved failures of due diligence or violations of standard operating procedure. The most serious incidents included a violation of a court order and unauthorized use of data about more than 3,000 Americans and green-card holders.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

carve it in stone ....