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Vendzilla 09-05-2013 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19787055)
Seems the plan is "no boots on the ground" which means missile strikes.

Or video games AKA Drone attacks

Rochard 09-05-2013 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 19787711)
I guess you did not watch the congressional hearings. The "plan" is no boots on the ground but Kerry refused to put it in writing because you never know what might happen. "Syria could implode" which would require we enter to secure the WMD's from being used against us or our allies. In other words, we are going in.

I did not watch the congressional hearings. I do not have that kind of free time that you have.

The "plan" is "no boots on the ground". That was the plan with Libya, and for the most part that's the way it went down.

Saying "Syria might implode" is ignoring the obvious - Syria has already imploded. We are way past that point.

_Richard_ 09-05-2013 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19787726)
I wouldn't call it cowardness. Since 2001 the US has over run two countries and removed their governments from power, and much more. At the same time, the United States is tired of dedicating it's resources and spending it's money to deal with problems that should be handled by the US. If the a revolution breaks out in Quebec or Mexico City, then we can get involved. Otherwise, this is a Middle Eastern Problem, or even a Russian problem.

At the same time we could just toss over missiles all day long without much effort.

The US needs to stay out of this.

and so far, you have spent 1 billion in encouraging 'this'

not that common dialogue discusses that, or, even realizes.

dillonaire 09-05-2013 11:14 AM

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dillonaire 09-05-2013 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19787748)
I did not watch the congressional hearings. I do not have that kind of free time that you have.

The "plan" is "no boots on the ground". That was the plan with Libya, and for the most part that's the way it went down.

Saying "Syria might implode" is ignoring the obvious - Syria has already imploded. We are way past that point.

Dont worry. Dick Cheney didnt even listen to the hearings either and he was there, but those hearings can be soo boring so he played online poker instead.

http://canauzzie.blogspot.com/2013/0...t-playing.html

baddog 09-05-2013 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19787748)
I did not watch the congressional hearings. I do not have that kind of free time that you have.

Yeah, it is pretty difficult to put it on one of the dozens of monitors you have or just have the audio in the background. And C-SPAN plays it over and over, so not much of an excuse. :2 cents:

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Originally Posted by gamelinkjeff (Post 19787776)
Dont worry. Dick Cheney didnt even listen to the hearings either and he was there, but those hearings can be soo boring so he played online poker instead.

http://canauzzie.blogspot.com/2013/0...t-playing.html

Cheney?

baddog 09-05-2013 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19787748)
I did not watch the congressional hearings. I do not have that kind of free time that you have.

I can't help but notice you are the top poster in this thread. :2 cents:

And Kerry said it, not me.

DWB 09-05-2013 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by notinmybackyard (Post 19785767)
You know I have come to actually enjoy your internet personality. I hope you are similar in normal life.

So to be the devil's advocate to your argument with 2 questions.

You say and imply that the chemical weapons need to be removed at any cost. How do you feel about the United States and great Britain's use of depleted uranium in Iraq? (Recently Isreal used depleted uranium on Syria)

Depleted Uranium has/is causing hundreds perhaps thousands of birth defects, not to forget that there are thousands of people dying from cancers and that their environment is now a severely toxic wasteland incapable of being cleaned up.

How is taking a nation's nuclear waste and bombing innocent people somehow acceptable but poison gas is not?

Just to make my perspective clear : I do not believe in nations or any form of gouvernement. I believe a happy world is one in which all politicians and military commanders have had their necks placed in the yoke of a guillotine. The only side I support in this conflict (and all conflicts) is that of the innocent. I view people that support war, declare war and willing go and fight wars as subhuman cancerous disease.

IMHO, it's all bad. No one should be using any of it. There should be a global clean up, every country, even the USA, and everyone cleans their act up and gets rid of weapons and agents that can cause long term damage to the unborn and living.

They are STILL having birth defects in Vietnam from Agent Orange after all these years, so the long term fallout from any of the stuff used these days is going to be beyond catastrophic. Of course, none of it will make western media, and it will be well hidden from western eyes, but a hell on earth is bring created right now.

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 19785822)

but tbh, my goals these days are to stay focused on shooting porn pictures

Amen. So many distractions.

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 19785982)
So, what happens when you blow up a chemical weapons depot?

Bombing the depots directly is a really bad idea. I'm sure they have other ways of taking care of them. But I wouldn't support bombing the weapons themselves. The collateral damage, long term and short, would be too great. From what I've read, there are special forces on the ground there from multiple countries, including NATO, so my guess is they are looking for safer alternatives.

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 19785982)
Sorry, you are wrong

em·pire
ˈemˌpī(ə)r/
noun

an extensive group of states or countries under a single supreme authority, formerly esp. an emperor or empress.

Meh. Depends on what definition you're looking for and what context.

American Imperialism

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19787053)
Where have we increased land in the past fifty years? Hawaii?

We have expanded by placing our military in key positions globally, as all Empires before us did. That is what Empires do. We have not "taken" land from these countries, but we do not leave. Gitmo is a prime example of this. The Cubans have never cashed a single check written from the US government for the lease of that land. They want us to go, we refuse.

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19787053)
Where is the US "securing resources"? We were just in Iraq, one of the major oil producers in the world, and we just... Left.

Middle East, Africa, Asia...

We never leave. Not even Iraq. US troops are leaving and being replaces by mercenaries, paid for by the US tax payer, costing them somewhere around $3.5 billion a year. However, that hardly gets a blurb of news. All you hear is the US is pulling out as planned, well done, we did it! Nothing could be further from the truth. It's just a pony show to gear up for the next elections so the democrats can claim they ended the war. Ignorant Americans won't know any better and thank them for bringing their boys home.

Oh... the best part... For the first time EVER, the mercenaries are being commanded by the State Department.

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19787053)
However, seems we have left Iraq (have we fully left yet?) and we plan on leaving Afghanistan.

See post above. Same is going to happen in Afghanistan.

Like the business of rebuilding a nation once we destroy it, there is HUGE money in private security contractors. War = huge profits for those in the war business.


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