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The report concludes that there was opportunity for the Davidians to escape. While obviously this is true--a handful did escape the maelstrom--I conclude there was no opportunity for the vast majority of the Davidians to have any hope of escape, because of the Government's tactics the morning of the 19th of April.
Essentially, the use of the armored vehicles, methodically smashing down portions of the building, cutting off avenues of escape (for example, smashing the walls down to cover the `escape' hatch to the tunnel out of the main building), intimidated the inhabitants into seeking `safety' in the one secure part of the structure (the concrete `bunker' in the center). With massive quantities of CS gas pumped into this area, it virtually guaranteed that most inhabitants would be incapacitated; which they were, and they died in the ensuing fire because of the incapacitating effects of the CS gas and the cutting off of escape routes. |
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From the full report: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/cpquer...49&dbname=104& Quote:
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Sorry, for fifty-one days these child molesters and cop killers had a stand off with police. Eventually the police had to go in and get them. They all could have surrendered any time. |
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But it's a well known fact you cherry pick stats. (BTW, gas is STILL cheaper now than it was during the high point under Bush!) |
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And it wasn't "massive quantities of cs gas". According to report you posted, it's unlikely that any of the gas had any serious effect, and never reached toxic levels. |
But wait, there's more!
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Brett, didn't you say that they couldn't leave the building?
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Then we have the final report about the fire... The cliff notes are....
1) Davidians intentionally set the fires inside the Davidian residence. 2) CS gas did not cause the fire. 3) law enforcement agents did not intentionally set the fire 4) law enforcement agents did not unintentionally cause the fire 5) law enfrocement did not prepare for a fire (because clearly police men need to be firemen too!) 6) The Davidians could have escaped the residence even after the fire began Here's the full version.... From the report Brett kindly linked to.... Quote:
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Six year old Melissa died in the fire Brett.... The fire the Branch Davidians set:
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Brett, I thought you said they couldn't leave? (I know I covered this already but...)
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Couldn't leave because they might have been shot right?
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Congressional report seems to believe that the fire wasn't started by the CS gas or by law enforcement:
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I'm taking a wild stab in the dark that Rochard knows Vendzilla's real name is Brett. He therefore wins the argument.
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I like to like to debate. The bullshit that gets slung around here is comical. The number rule of GFY is that you don't say anything unless it is 100% correct and you had better bring proof, and you will get ripped to shreds. Brett - excuse me, Vendzilla - can't debate to save his soul. He takes a single quote from one of his goofy websites ("Oil production is down on public land under Obama") and accepts it as fact when the direct opposite is true (domestic oil production is up). |
So Vendzilla has no response huh?
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Didn't he put you on ignore?
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Apparently, y'all forget about the use of mustard gas and napalm in the viet jam crisis. Also our govt allowed the use of ddt for decades. As tragic as the Syria situation is, this kinda thing goes on alot. In Africa it may not be gas, but it's genocide just the same.
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How I am wrong? I am pretty confident tear gas isn't flammable. It's wikipedia entry doesn't say it's flammable; That's a pretty important quality to have so if it was flammable I am pretty confident it would have been mentioned. I've been through the gas chamber in boot camp; I'm pretty confident they had to burn it to activate it. I'm also pretty sure if it was flammable it wouldn't be used by all law enforcement across the US. They did a year long investigation, and they were pretty confident they had illegal weapons. The warrants the ATF had were valid, and it turns out they were correct, they did have illegal weapons, although once they shot and killed police officers the firearms violations were minor. This all boils down to how you view our government. If you view our government as over bearing and interfering in your life, then you most likely will want to believe that this raid was not required and that the ATF is liable for the deaths of dozens of innocent people. If you don't spend your life fighting local law enforcement over petty stupid shit, then you see it as a local group who had illegal machine guns and the police went to take care of it. Clearly we see which side Vendzilla is on. |
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so no its not sarin, but I'm a big strong mother fucker and I barely made it out after just 20 seconds... |
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I know about napalm, but that's not considered illegal. From what little I understand about napalm is that it's freaking nasty... I think it should be banned. Quote:
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The committee in congress concluded that what they did in Waco was wrong, very wrong. Most got trapped that died, which they believe some of the children were killed out of mercy, like the 3 year old that Rochard keeps going on about. I saw the autopsy picture of that kid, I wouldn't even post it here, it's pretty bad. |
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Hi Vendzilla, CS is Chlorobenzylidene Malononitrile, or Tear Gas and is used for crowd control. It's visible and looks yellow. It causes tears, pain and sometimes even blindness. Dangerous and bad for you but generally considered non-lethal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tear_gas Sarin gas is considered a Weapon of Mass Destruction. It's colorless and odourless and is extremely lethal even at very low concentrations. It kills you in less than 1 minute. If you inhale it, you suffocate because it causes muscle paralysis in your lungs. The attack in Syria was intentional and killed over 1000 people. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarin President Clinton did not order an "all-out military assault". The 51 day standoff ended when the FBI used tear gas to get the Davidians's out. A FIRE killed 76 or so people, not the gas. The intention was to end the standoff. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege Comparing that actions of Clinton during Waco to Assad (or whoever is responsible for the gas attacks) in Syria way off base. Instead of trying to blame Clinton for anything close to what is going on now, consider Ronald Reagan. He & Rumsfeld sold Chemical weapons to Iraq during the Iran - Iraq war. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...211;Ira q_war http://www.iranchamber.com/history/i...n_iraq_war.jpg |
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either way, i get it. you think gassing children is ok if the ends justify it. but i don't give a shit if you think that or not, as i've told you before, i'm not here to change your mind. |
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Protocol III of the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons, ?prohibits the use of incendiary weapons against military forces located within concentrations of civilians ? as was the case with the insurgents in Falluja.? But, noted the Financial Times, ?The US is party to the convention but, unlike a number of its allies, including the UK, it has not signed Protocol III.?[12] |
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Some dual use materials were sold to Iraq by American companies and when the Government found out that Iraq was weaponizing them the U.S. Government ordered American companies to cease and desist on the sales of these dual use materials and most companies abided by this order but some did not and paid a consequence for not doing so. |
3 pages into this and decades later, the gfy physicist has to set the record straight on waco by quoting wiki.
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Congress came to the conclusion that using CS gas in a confined area when children were present was well, FUCKED UP. I never compared Sarin gas to CS gas, what I did say is using CS gas in a confined area with children involved is not something our country should ever do and I stand by that. The conclusion of the Cato institute and the conclusion of congress was that the tactics that the ATF and FBI are largely responsible for the deaths of many of the Branch Davidians. By breaking down walls and blocking escape of many of the Davidians and disorientating them with CS gas lead to there deaths It's pretty simple to me because of my training on a Submarine. If you are in a closed area, even the use of a sponge is not permitted because they give off fumes and what ever is in a closed space in the air is what you breathe. So using mass amounts of CS gas, more than any other conflict in US history on US citizens is the work of idiots that didn't care about human life! |
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The opening sentence says napalm: Both the UK and US authorities now admit that the napalm-type weapon known as the ?MK77 firebomb? was used during the invasion of Iraq. The entire page references napalm 62 times. |
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try reading it instead of scanning for a word to try and prove some sort of point that really is not a point to begin with. |
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The people inside didn't die from CS gas, they died from head wounds, gun shot wounds, being stabbed, or from a fire they themselves set. Quote:
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https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=19792942&postcount=61 Cato institute and Congress both agree the ATF and the FBI screwed this up badly. |
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regardless of the silly argument this has digressed to, the op is valid, one only needs to do a goog search for "syria waco' 1.8million results. the fact is the media can and has latched on to this as hypocritical action of the usa https://www.google.com/search?q=syri...ome& ie=UTF-8 |
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