he thought he could use his last name to get away with it

How come the Republicans aren't outraged about the twenty-four billion dollars just wasted, not to mention the fact that we now owe federal employees back pay for work they didn't do. Utterly fucking brilliant.

So I am not the only one who has thought of this over the years....

I'm surprised with someone with the last name of "Weiner" wouldn't have changed their name by now.

Everyone is outraged about something these days.. It's the new national pastime

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it is a sad day for democracy when our politicians have been turned in to people to be laughed at rather than respected.

I think you are right - everyone is outraged about something. Then again, it also seems like everyone is outraged about something but yet no one seems to give a shit about anything.

But it just strikes me as funny as Republicans shut down the government because they were protesting the rising costs of government without noticing how much money they just cost the taxpayers.

Something else that kills me is the amount of information going around on the Internet. The birther movement? Come on already.... Death panels?

Google Lincoln political cartoons.. nothing new about slapping down the opposition or the incumbent.

The news keeps getting worse for the GOP. A Fiscal Conservative think tank founded by Richard Nixon’s Secretary of Commerce, has released a study that says Republicans have cost the US economy over 2 million jobs since 2009.

They are basically saying that the tactic of creating crisis after crisis as the Right wing has done is costing people jobs and costing economic growth. I'm pretty sure just about anyone with a brain could figure that out, but it's pretty bad that it takes a Right Wing think tank to point out the obvious to the Right Wing.

http://pgpf.org/special-reports/the-...-fiscal-policy

Perhaps the Right will finally take long look in the mirror and listen to the only sensible Republicans left in their party..

I keep hearing Democrat bureaucrats on t.v. say that over the last couple of weeks.

Thing I can't figure out is HOW does it cost us billions of dollars when the govt. is shut down? Revenues kept coming in. 83% of the Federal Govt never did shut down (it was a "partial" shutdown of only 17% of the govt)

How the heck do those career/lifetime bureaucrats come up with it "costing" billions of dollars???

Only in Washington D.C. does that kind of thing make any sense (when they cook the books that is).
But then again...only in Washington D.C. is it called "Cutting" when they spend a little less of what they "projected" to spend in a year and it's still actually MORE than what they spent the year before. lol

"Washington-Speak"

In other words...everybody just get in line! Go along to get along!

Business as usual in Washington D.C. or be ostracized.

Hey Crockett, are you "okay" with lifetime politicians and the debt going up and up and about to go over 17 Trillion?

I'm not.

I agree with THIS GUY back when the debt was almost half what it is now:

He certainly talked a good campaign...i'll give him that.

Down with the Republican empire, let it burn burn burn.

Don't get too excited captain..the latest polls show that 63% of the nation do NOT approve of what Obama has done. And he is the big kahuna.

And yet Cruz just announced....

WTF? At what point in time did this become a competition to "beat the other side at all costs" no matter how many billions of dollars it costs the tax payers or the amount of jobs that were just lost

I'm stunned that there isn't a movement to have these Cruze and Bohner removed from Congress.

(news article)

Yep, Democrats and the media did NOT want that footage shown at all over the last few weeks. So I'll just post it again for Crockett to watch.

It just shows the utter and complete hypocrisy of these career politicians in Washington. When a Republican is Pres., all the Democrats are AGAINST raising the debt ceiling.
When a Democrat is Pres., all the Republicans are AGAINST raising the debt ceiling.

Sooner or later...you people will finally take a look at the Libertarian or other third party platform and realize that it's time for REAL "Hope and Change"
The guy in this video LIED and is nothing more than another bullshit artist in Washington D.C.

I voted for this fucking bureaucrat in 2008. I went Libertarian in 2012 after being disappointed for the last fucking time by these assholes:

That's the way it is on both sides of the aisle.

And he can also point out that he was sent to Washington D.C. to do EXACTLY what he is doing. That's what he ran on.
At least he's keeping his campaign promises...I'd rather have a guy who did what he promised to get a vote than the corrupt politicians who lie to get power and keep it.

The one part of this circus that is absolutely wrong is the way the media operates these days.
If that had been either George Bush, NBC,CBS & ABC would've played it to the point that we would feel like kicking in the screen to the television.

Can you show me this poll?

I am not saying that Obama is our savior. I agree that we need some kind of healthcare, and I am not sure Obamacare is it. I just don't know - it's a lot of law to take in and understand, and there are a lot of different parts to it... and a lot of lies. However, the Republican party seems to be spreading some of the lies (death panels was my favorite) and they aren't helping the situation.

The Republican party is taking a good idea and trying to destroy it instead of trying to make it better.

It's like a bunch of children bitching because they lost the popularity contest, and now their only goal is to make them look bad.

We need a solution to healthcare. Instead of bitching about how bad it is, instead of bitching to replace it, either work on fixing what's wrong or come up with plan b.

How do you even get 17 trillion nearly doubling from13 trillion? Obama came to office in Dec 2009. Since you seem to know everything about govt, I'm sure you know the the 2010 jump from 11 trillion to 13 trillion was George Bush Jr's budget.

Anyone that even paid attention in school for 2 mins should know that a incoming president does not create the budget for his first year. I know I know this doesn't compute into your blame Obama for everything under the sun mentality. Yet Obama has added roughly 3 trillion to the national debt.

George Bush on the flip side rose the debit from 6 trillion to 13 trillion dollars more than doubling it. Yet that's all Obamas's fault because it's in the past right? Of course the data from 2013 is not released yet but so far Obama has lowered the debt even with the fucking bail outs when compared to Bush Jr.

09/30/2012 16,066,241,407,385.89
09/30/2011 14,790,340,328,557.15
09/30/2010 13,561,623,030,891.79
09/30/2009 11,909,829,003,511.75
09/30/2008 10,024,724,896,912.49
09/30/2007 9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 7,379,052,696,330.32
09/30/2003 6,783,231,062,743.62
09/30/2002 6,228,235,965,597.16
09/30/2001 5,807,463,412,200.06
09/30/2000 5,674,178,209,886.86

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/r...ebt_histo5.htm

Do facts just mean nothing at all to you? As long as it sounds good in your head?

Oh and BTW.. half of 17 trillion is roughly 8 trillion dollars. We haven't been there since 2006 when you guessed it George Bush jr was very much president.

Go on though make some excuse about fuzzy math or what ever you can think of to make yourself feel right, because we all know you are going to still blame Obama for everything under the sun..

The poll numbers were on the nightly news with Brian Williams a couple of nights ago. I am certain you can find it online. It's the one where they also showed that 90% of the country doesn't approve of congress.


Time will tell if it's a good idea. You already know my opinion on obamacare.

If the American people like it and it does half of what has been promised I will gladly change my tune. Hopefully the country doesn't go bankrupt because of it. But that's another topic for another day.

If you can't wow them with the facts, blind them with bullshit.
Obama said,. and the title of the video is Obama says adding $4 trillion to debt is unpatriotic How much debt has Obama added.. $4Trillion

I don't give a shit about some video. I'm on mobile internet so I'm not wasting BW to watch youtube clips. I'm responding to the BS that Robbie keeps posting about Obama doubling the debt.

You can circle jerk all day if you want to with campaign vids where politicians promise the moon. I'm just looking at the fact of what they do. Also every politician will end up with mud on their face and over promising what they can't deliver, Bush, Obama they are all the same when it comes to that. It's in their genes I think.

They dont like facts. lol
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...-has-lowest-s/
Viral Facebook post says Barack Obama has lowest spending record of any recent president

You sure do like to act dumb don't you.

LISTEN TO WHAT OBAMA SAYS. He says that it's UNPATRIOTIC to continue to run up the debt.

And yet...what is he now claiming is the right thing to do?

Man, you should just go put on a set of blinders. You have zero interest in admitting to yourself that all politicians are crooks. You really, really think that your party and especially Pres. Obama are "good" and really care about you.

As P.T. Barnum is credited with saying: "There's a sucker born every minute"

If you watch the video Obama gives the CORRECT numbers. Not the ones you are spouting.
WATCH THE VIDEO AND LISTEN TO OBAMA TELL YOU THE TRUTH.

And listen carefully, because once he became President...he stopped telling the truth. Just like Bush and just like all of them do.

Why do you want to settle for that? Pathetic...

Here's something more. Did you know that the whole lot of them are now ON VACATION?

Fucking Bohner and friends: They cause hundreds of thousands of people to be temporarily laid off, the scare the shit out of the whole world, their stupid stunt cost over 20 Billion in damage to the economy, AND THEY TAKE A FUCKING WEEK-LONG VACATION.

Oh yeah, they all went home. Another big show down coming up, but let's take a vacation instead.

WTF?

I think Congress should work four days a week and get two weeks vacation like the rest of us. And I think they need to be working 9-5 also - none of "missed votes" shit.

But I don't believe this is being done on both sides. It was the Republicans who just held the entire country hostage because of a temper tantrum. It's the Republican party who is vowing to beat a bill that is always law. It's the Republican party who fought this all the way to the Supreme Court - and lost.

They are spending all of their time and energy and effort into fighting a bill that is already a law, already approved by the Supreme Court, and it's not helping anyone. It's already a law, they've already lost this battle. It's been four years of this shit already.

This is already a law, and it's already going into place. My guess is that it will go through many changes over the next four, ten, and twenty years.

We need healthcare. The Republican party is acting like little children at this point. They keep vowing to defeat something that is already a law, already been through the supreme court, and they are vowing to defeat something that we need.

Either work on fixing the problem, or come up with an alternative, but either way stop whining like little children.

Dude I don't care if Obama said he was a space alien. I'm arguing with you about the BS that you have spouting off about in this topic and others. You have stated more than one time that Obama has nearly doubled the national debt. I'm calling you out on this BS that you keep repeating as if it were fact.

The numbers I posted are directly from the US treasury website, now please explain how you continually claim that Obama has nearly doubled the national debt. It's about 4 trillion if you add in this year. That's roughly 1 trillion per year and of that, roughly 400 billion each year is interest on the entire amount. That's almost half of the increase that isn't even Obamas fault but he has to claim it.

You want to bitch and moan about Obama till you're foaming at the mouth. The fact is Since Obama has been in office spending has been cut dramatically. The only time he had any sort of excessive spending, was during the bail outs. The only reason the national debt has not started dropping is because GDP has dropped due to the economic crash..

Whenever someone mentions Washington Mutual, I always get an image of
a birthday clown sitting across from a loan manager, and this is why...





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The Republican party is utterly pissed that a unknown black Senator from Illinois with a rather unimpressive track record beat them and became president. (Twice.)

It's gotten rather comical really. I remember how they used to bitch about unemployment. Vendzilla was the worst. Their rally cry was "Well, there is a Republican President in office, and the unemployment rate keeps going up" as if just if all the new guy needed to do was snap his fingers and he could fix everything. Well, unemployment keeps on dropping, from a high of 10% to 7.3%. (But then they'll say "The doesn't include the people who have given up looking for jobs".)

I went from being a lifetime Republican to being a Democrat in less than four years.

LOL the sad thing is that she speaks the truth.

You are completely full of crap on this subject. You are STILL trying to blame Bush for Obama's debts? Really?

Obama is a LOT smarter than YOU are pal. And he had access to all the numbers. And he says the CORRECT ones in the video. You can pretend you are "smart", but in reality you need to smarten up.

You're basically just a blind zombie to your party loyalty.

I don't even know what you do for a living (I can only assume you are NOT in the adult industry because I've never seen you post any business here at all...just mindless Democrat propaganda), but whatever it is you do, I sure hope you are a lot smarter in your day job.

Which 4 years?

If it was the last 4, then you have a serious lack of judgement on that one. You should have went with a third party instead.

There really isn't any third party now is there?

The first four years under Obama have been an improvement. We hit the bottom of the barrel shortly before Obama was elected and you have to judge him accordingly. It's not like everything was roses when Obama took office.

I have exactly twenty houses on my street, and when he took office exactly ten of them were empty and vacant. Unemployment topped out at 10%.

Now five years later all of the houses are occupied, unemployment is at 7.3%, we are out of Iraq and leaving Afghanistan, and we finally at long last have some kind of a healthcare system going in place.

Are things better now than when we hit bottom? Of course they are. Has Obama done anything bad and horrible? Not that I can remember.

Are you seriously saying the numbers from the US treasury site are fake?

Do you see this link?

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/r...ebt_histo5.htm

It's the US treasury direct, run by you guessed it the US treasury. It's where you go to buy US securities directly from the US treasury. Do you really think the numbers are fake? Honestly?

Once again I'm calling YOU out, not claiming Obama is the Messiah or that Bush is the Anti Christ or what ever else you want to believe. I'm calling You out because you keep repeating the typical right wing BS.

Again show me how YOUR statement that Obama has nearly doubled the national debit is correct. You can't do it, it's why you keep ignoring the subject and trying to dodge the question.

As for me being in adult.. I was in adult for several years until I sold my sites and just do mainstream now. This site has always been a fucking off forum hence the reason I still hang around here. Minte isn't in adult anymore either from what he's said in other posts yet he still hangs here too, as do many others whom are no longer in adult but do other things.

As for me being in adult still or not has nothing to do with you answering the question as to how you keep claiming Obama has double the national debt. Please do tell.

I wanted to add that I watched your little video that you seem to think is proof..

That was on his first campaign somewhere in 2008. He was referring to data at that time when the 2007 debt was at 9,007,653,372,262.48.

It's actually pretty sad that I have to explain that to you, when I provided you with the numbers that you could have looked up to see for your self. Instead you revert to a 2008 campaign video..

Seriously is this the best you have? Bush was in office until 2009 when Obama took over.

In 2008 Bush's budget raised the debt to 10,024,724,896,912.49.

In 2009 Obama took office but as we all should know, it was still Bush's budget and it brought us to 11,909,829,003,511.75.

I will correct what I said before that it was Bush's budget from 2010 as I had my years mixed up but the fact remains Obama has come NOWHERE near doubling the national debt as you keep claiming.

We would have to hit 22 trillion for Obama to have doubled it under his watch.

EDIT..

Even the text from the video says it took place in n July 3, 2008 -- the day before Independence Day.

Nope I didn't say that. I said that YOU twisting it and trying to say that all the numbers during Obama's tenure are just Bush shit left over is bullshit.

It's not "my" little video. It's Obama on the campaign trail.

And his words are that driving up debt is unpatriotic. He was also against raising the debt ceiling for the same reason.

And yet, you STILL don't see the hypocrisy of these politicians once THEY get into power do you?

And as for your big adult "career"...What was it? What exactly did you "sell".

My guess would be you were a low level affiliate or if you were lucky you worked for somebody else.

And my guess on your current "mainstream" "career" is that you are a low level employee with a day job somewhere.

And THAT is why you can't understand why it's not "okay" to take people's money and give it to others, raise taxes, overspend, and everything else that your blind loyalty to the Democrat ruling class in Washington D.C. tells you to believe.

You are a grunt, and you think like one.

Open your mind Crockett. Stop depending on others and stand up for yourself. THINK.

It will change your life. And then maybe you can be something more than you ever thought you could instead of where you are at now.

In 2008 we were at $10 trillion. In 2012, we are at $16 trillion. Where are we going to be when Obama leaves office? $18 trillion? $20 trillion?

At the same time, look at what happened when Bush was in office. He took office in 2001 when it was $10 trillion, yet when he left office in 2008 it was $10 trillion - AND he left the nation in the worst shape ever.

(The only one who seemed to keep it i check was Clinton, from 1993 to 2000.)

Under Obama, the national debt is going up - this is a fact. But at least I can understand why... The economy was at a stand still when Obamaboy took office, and he had two choices - not spend money and listen us to bitch about how hungry everyone is or spend money and listen to us bitch about the national debt.

Our national debt is trough the roof, and it's insane, and it needs to stop.

The spending is currently at a all time low despite what the right loves to trumpet, and under a normal economy the debt would be reducing. The problem is the Debt is out pacing the GDP due to the economy being shitty and the amount of interest we are paying.

People love to claim that when Clinton reduced the debt that is was all due to the tech boom and the increased GDP. However what everyone loves to forget is Clinton reduced the military's budget and closed many bases. This is something Obama has not done and he is acting no different that the Bush's before him.

This is a graph of military spending by president. You can clearly see how much spending was increased by Bush Jr and it's kept on increasing under Obama, but you wont hear a single Republican in office whom will agree to cut that with all the cuts they want..

http://www.americanprogress.org/wp-c...et_charts.html

http://www.americanprogress.org/issu...fense-budgets/

I wanted to add, that dthe National debt is on target to only be increased by about $650 billion this year. This will be the first time since a Clinton budget that the debt didn't increase by at least 1 trillion in a year.

Of course Robbie will never accept this.. :1orglaugh

Your stats are misleading.

It comes from a site that I cannot verify, it's not about the national debt but about defense spending, and it's translating all monies into 2012 dollars.

The question isn't about defense dollars, it's about the national debt. You are comparing apples to taco shells. I understand how the two are related, but one can go up while the other is going down.

Your own stats, which came directly from a US government site, says the direct opposite. The national public debt has gone from $10 trillion to $16 trillion since Obama took office. That data came from YOUR LINK from a GOVERNMENT website. If we continue at this pace, which is the most likely case, our debt will nearly double since Obamaboy took office.

What's worse is not only will the debt have gone up over eight years of Obama, but ALSO eight years of Bush.

That's staggering.

Don't forget to factor in the quantitative easing.
This makes the whole picture a little different.

Nothing @ all happened to me

Hey Crockett...

I just want to apologize for my last post to you in this thread. It was out of line.

Got caught up in this debate is all. My apologies.

A bunch of fuckin 2 year olds running our country. Mother Russia does not approve.