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Similar arguments in the comments on that page. :1orglaugh

yea with so many pieces its a very debatable issue but some areas are not unless you are a fanboy in some form and refuse to see logic.

I just got rid of my last Diaper Genie, they don't keep the stink out anyway. Keep it.

A point I made earlier was at one time mac was the only way to go. For those of us that were forced to use a tool that actually worked for photoshop and video we became mac users.

I'm sure pc's have caught up maybe even passed mac's in some respects. But at one time they really sucked. Yea, I'm a loyal mac user because they have always worked. Why would I want to change?

vdbucks is a tech enthusiast, for him I'm sure a huge amount of knowledge goes into his decisions/beliefs. For me it's a lot simpler, computers are a tool that goes under my desk so I can work on the things I enjoy, photos/video. I would be a moron to switch from something that has always worked for me.

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Like those who think things are infinitely better than something else made with the same parts, because it has an Apple logo on it. :winkwink:

When I started, Quiet and I were the only two folks on the board running Macs, and talking them up. I had 2 iMacs and a G3, then a Quicksilver G4. The arguments here were the exact opposite then. It been funny to see people change their opinions. Mostly because they drank the kool aid themselves.

That said, Macs haven't been better in those things you mentioned since the era I'm referring too. The PowerMac era 10+ years ago.

Nailed it :2 cents:

Wrong comparison, because you don't have to build them yourself. You can even simply order any of the already built ones. On top of that you can order built one according to your specs. So the correct comparison would be that you order bread cooked to your requirements (eg . I would like something added to that bread, please).

I personally chose a Macbook Pro over others because of build quality and the OS being Unix based.... 3 years on though I am looking for something new... this Core 2 Duo is not cutting it anymore.... chances are I will opt for another Macbook Pro though.

apple= for sheeps who want to improve/impress (who ? other idiots ?) and overpay.
like someone said - "you should be honored that you have privilege to overpay for mac".
and later these people think that they have some kind of unique masterpiece in their hands ("as it costs that much, it has to be super")


same goes with Apple mp3/mp4 players

Vdfucks so based on what you said its cheaper to build your own machine to run the superior mac osx ....that windows gets more viruses because it's the most popular in the world , Windows is bloatware because manufacturers make it that way and apple has clearly better design.

Those general words are from your mouth .... and you cant understand why people say mac is a better environment and subsequently that those reasons give apple the ability to charge a premium and people happily pay umless they are build their own machines or don't have the extra $ to spend.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=US&ie=UTF-8&source=android-browser&q=apple+wins+design+award

Maybe apple customer feel the have the best cause apple makes great products and is undoubtly one of the best if not the best product designers in existance today.

http://www.businessinsider.com/apple...y-award-2013-1!

Oh apple won a few emmys they r so lame.... the voting panel must be fanboys.

Seems igot the last word so by gfy forum rules. I win.. suck it!

I see that your reading comprehension is about as bad as your ability to write and form coherent sentences..

I never said OS X is a superior operating system. Nor did I say Windows is superior. Nor did I say Linux is superior. Nor did I say any of them are inferior. They are what they need to be for those who use them.

That doesn't change the fact though that Windows is the most widely used and popular operating system. It's used by more home, gaming and business users than any other OS. It's simply a fact. And since it's the most popular, it is also targeted more by hackers and people who write virus'.

OS X is more or less used by media professionals. Yes, these days, all the media creation programs work equally well on Windows as they do OS X, but as L-Pink has pointed out, there was a time when things really only worked well on OS X. And because of that, people stick to OS X in this regard. And that is perfectly normal and acceptable. Also, the more popular OS X becomes, the more people start using it over time, then the more it will become targeted by hackers and people who write virus'. Just because that isn't happening right now doesn't make OS X a superior operating system. It just makes it less popular and therefore less targeted.

*nix is for server usage. No other OS even comes close. If Adobe were to release their suite for *nix then I personally think that move, along with increased gaming support, would be what really stands a chance of knocking Windows off the top of the hill.

That is where i stand on the OS side of things.


Macs are pretty. I've never said otherwise. But that's it. Hardware wise though, there is nothing inside that makes them perform better than PCs. The hardware is the same. Hardware is the most important thing to me. And I don't find paying double or more for the same hardware in my PC just because Macs come in a pretty case to be worth it. And if I really wanted, I could buy myself a Mac Pro chassis online and put all my hardware in it. Also, not everyone finds Macs to be pretty, or visually appealing. It's all personal preference.

A pretty case also has absolutely no impact on the functionality.

A lot of PCs look bad ass. A lot of them look like garbage. That's just how things are. Doesn't make Macs better than PCs. PCs are more popular and widely used, therefore there are thousands upon thousands of different components made by hundreds of companies. Choice is power and choice is the reason the PC world will always reign as the most popular. This is not counting the mobile movement of course, Different market.

When it really comes down to it though, Macs are not better than PCs of the same caliber, nor are PCs better than Macs. The only real difference is price - and I'm not talking about or comparing the budget line of PCs - and I just don't see spending 2-3 times what I paid for my system to be worth it, when at the end of the day all you really get is a PC with an Apple logo and in an (arguably) pretty case.

If you think Macs are worth it, then by all means. Thats what works for you.

I personally find that building my machines myself is the best value for my money. I like knowing exactly what's inside of my system, that way if/when something goes wrong, I don't have to take it to some 3rd party place because I can do it myself in a fraction of the time. This is what works for me.

But don't sit here and try to proclaim that Macs have better hardware, are faster than PCs with equal specs, or that "Mac = Ferrari, PC= Hyundai" because it is, quite simply, factually incorrect.


Lastly, the operating system a machine runs on does not define the class architecture of a machine.
PC != Windows
Mac != OS X

In fact, there are 4 primary classifications: Personal Computer, Business Computer, Workstation, Server.

So, consumer level Macs are indeed Personal Computers, otherwise known as PC.
Business level Macs are indeed Business Computers.
The line between workstation and server these days is pretty thin, but the same remains for that class of computer. Workstation/Server level Macs are indeed that, Workstation/Server.

Worst argument ever.

And with that, I'm done with this conversation/debate because it's pretty clear at this point that you (American Psycho) are only about 13 years old and are incapable of writing a complete sentence, comprehending a single paragraph, or making a valid argument whatsoever.

Having a Mac doesn't magically make you smarter, or more educated. It just makes you a dumbass who owns a Mac.

http://www.businessinsider.com/apple...y-award-2013-1!

Oh apple won a few emmys they r so lame.... the voting panel must be fanboys.

Seems igot the last word so by gfy forum rules. I win.. suck it!

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I have several Macs. Got them as a friend who did the Mac programming at Netopia (sp?) talked me in to trying one after I was bitching so much about my PC woes. Such as re-installing XP 10 times in one day as the drivers wouldn't work. When you reformat a Mac disk it's a total clean. In Windows about 5 MB is left behind and it's the 5 MB that's causing your problem.

I most programs Mac is better, but I run Parallels as my Windows Office 97 runs better the the MS Office 2011 for OS X version.

I used to work for one of the big 3 movie theatre chain. Everybody used PCs except the Graphic Arts & Design Department. They all used Macs. The manager told me that he and most of his team would quit if forced to use Macs.

So for heavens sake, lets stop debating? There will always be apple fanboys and pc fanboys. The product is as good as the person using it.
Exactly. May i add an analogy to that? Some people buy a BMW for the looks and status, others buy a car with basically the same "ingredients" made by BMW but with a different brand. It doesnt make the beamer owner stupid, or the b-brand owner smart. If they are both happy with their product isnt that whats important?

You are correct. And I never argued the point that one 'side' is better than the other. I simply presented the facts to those who think Macs are somehow magically superior to PC's when they have the exact same hardware inside. Some Mac owners cannot seem to accept that fact though, hence the "debate".

thx for pointing that out with way better argument :1orglaugh

i ordered a new macbook pro a couple days ago. honestly, as far as laptops go(which are much harder to build yourself then desktops) apple makes a very good product. a little expensive, yea, but so are high end Sony and Alienware laptops. You are not only buying a machine, you are buying into an echo system(OS), support, warranty, etc.

my main desktop machine runs windows 7, and honestly i feel a lot more productive on my mac, due to the way the OS is setup. which is why i opted to re-up on osx over windows. i can easily make up the cost difference, in productivity. i find that windows slows down and needs reinstalls and defragging(etc, etc) a lot more often then my mac. my macbook pro has lasted my four years now, without issue, and is still a pretty strong machine. no windows laptop ive owned compares, and ive had some very high end windows laptops in the past. as a developer, the very large developer community on OSX also makes for a lot of nice tools. as well as i can run a lot of unix commands on my mac, this makes computing/developing easier, unless of course i need to write code for windows.

$0.02

as a linux user: LOL at all you fuckups.

yes but apple slaps a high price and calls things "eye retina" and the hipsters get mommy and daddy to pay for it anyway...it does not matter that its the EXACT same shit :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

[QUOTE=American Psycho;19848654]Not really. An expert car mechanic cannot realistically build a Ferrarai quality car from scratch - ok maybe he can, but it would be a years long project. On the other hand I'm no computer wiz (or any type of other wiz for that matter) and I can build out a great PC in a couple of hours. Picked up an i7 processor, high-end video card, motherbard, 16gb ram, dual drives (ssd and 1T hd), case, 23in flat panel and Windows 8 OEM for just under $1,100 - after rebates at MicroCenter in Newark. I have a great machine that burns thru video editing - and again - I'm no computer wiz. Just followed the instructions and watched a couple of YouTube videos.

I have a 15" Macbook Pro Retina with 16g ram & 1g video ram and it's hands down the best computer I've ever owned and blows away any top shelf PC I've ever had.

As an OS X (Unix, Linux' daddy) on a PC user: Got Photoshop? Premiere Pro?

:P

[QUOTE=RandyRandy;19850478]Ding ding ding.

Some people act like "building your own computer" means designing the motherboard and shit, lol. Some people are just ignorant I guess...

I think I'm about ready to make the switch. Might as well just go all the way and synchronize my digital life. If not a new Apple, it's tempting to go back to my Sony Vaio netbook that only weighs 2.5lbs.

Does anyone know if I can get a dual HDMI output from a a MacBook in 2440x resolution or better? 30 inch monitors.

Brad

i have twin 27s and it works just fine. for the older macbooks(2009ish) you need a Matroc DualHead2Go - DP edition. not sure if its needed on the new version or if osx can push that on its own. will update you next week when my new one gets here and i cross that bridge... but yes, its possible, one way or another.

I have a hackingtosh equivalent in specs to a Macbook pro 15", except it has better components for half the cost. It has never failed in 2 years of constant use Win 7 and OSX. OSX is used to keep customers who are Mac fans happy. There is no real advantage at all. The end product is the same no matter what platform it was produced on.
One of the guys I work with has a Macbook pro used mainly for audio. Totally crashed twice (every 12 months) and needed hard drive replaced each time.

Anyone who thinks Macs are superior in either hardware or software are fooling themselves. Macs are expensive fashion accessories.