Sorry but you sound like a google shill.

Are you serious? You haven't seen all the posts in many other forums/blogs about this?

You don't need deep pockets. Like all other people in this industry or online in general, you could go back to the beginning, get all the original Stanford published papers on search engines, Brin/Pages papers and all subsequent papers and learn the very simple and unchanged truths of search engines. I am not aware of anyone in this industry besides myself that has actively collected all the published data on search engines from those early years and read through everything. IF you have a basic understanding of search and how it works, you'll start to realize over time that very very very very very very little has changed in terms of SEO and what works over the years. While 99.9% of this industry were ignoring what was right in front of them, others were busy building link networks, site networks, structuring them well, linking well, building outside links, using tools like xrumer and others to mix in a lot of non adult links and so on and so on and so on. The basics have never changed in spite of peoples constant chiming in that the last update was a game changer. Thats always been the case since 1998. Build big, link slow. Play for the long term. Its not rocket science. Its simple linear algebra that you learn in advanced algebra in high school. All that has changed over the years is the pace at which you could build links. In the beginning, you could dynamically generate a network of domains of multi-million page sites,, all interlinked as google bots were spidering the site... over time, people have just had to slow it down more and more and be more careful.

Anyway...the point again is that Pornhub, Keez, Tube8 et al are well established SEO-wise, they are there to stay and random sites or any quality aren't likely to dethrone them solely due to their "content" no matter what it is. It's not just about "content" and ones perception of whether it is good or bad or could be improved. Its about the fact that more often than not, users vote for them when they click. Just as CNN or ABC news do not have the best news on the planet ... but if you are in the US and search "malaysian airlines" they own the results. They've gotten countless millions of votes over time and are a more credible result.

I've seen forum posts and blog posts since 1998 when google went live about bad search results... and search results getting worse. Funny how no one has figured out a better way to sort trillions of pages than google and everyone who tries, fails miserably. There must be something more to it??

My subjective idea is that Google is always refining; how results are determined, how many results are retrieved and ultimately for what purpose are subject to change.

Change occurs despite what isn't likely to happen based on past observations, logic and wishful thinking ..... when the perpetuation of what you take for granted is discontinued.

Sponsors can play it safe and diversify between affiliates and tubes.

Or put all their eggs into one basket that is tubes.

Just out of curiosity, how many joins a month do you think the AVERAGE affiliate might send a program?

AND... more importantly, why is it that you think that the major tubes aren't also affiliates?

I opened xhamster and clicked on a random video on the home page: http://xhamster.com/movies/2352614/f...gymnastic.html
See the affiliate links?
tube8: http://www.tube8.com/hardcore/are-yo...F%3F/18820642/
youporn: http://www.youporn.com/watch/8979626...ent/?from=vbwn
redtube: http://www.redtube.com/373840

This is what is comical to me about this conversation. The guys who have all the traffic, have all the traffic. They are now the affiliates that matter. Traditional, small time affiliates are irrelevant. And the game plan is to attempt to coerce programs to abandon their largest affiliates for those that generate a tiny % of sales and 95% of support issues and other problems.

How is it that so many have no clue how this business works, but have such strong opinions about "what to do"

That some tubes are affiliates is irrelevant; a low quality tube is a low quality tube should Google decide to devalue tubes deemed low quality.

Did you just have a brain fart?

I believe we were debating something that could change that, which isn't so comical and that you seem to take very seriously as if the possibility makes you nervous.

Please redirect your derision to the appropriate parties suggesting a mass exodus from tube using sponsors.

I think that praying for Google to change their algorithms to suit the self admitted low hanging fruit of this industry as a business plan is not a great direction to steer ones efforts.



I could care less about any changes. I have seen everything since 1998 thats changed. Constant change. Things changed, are changing and will change. That is true of any and all business environments. Change is a constant feature of the landscape. Another part of that constant change is who is left standing as the result of their ability to deal with the facts as they are and change as well. As usual, most won't. Most will lay blame, cry, whine, complain etc. While others adjust, adapt and while new companies rise up to fill the vacuum left by those who didn't adjust. I've been around a long time and i'm still here. Whatever change comes next, I will adjust effortlessly and keep moving.

Who's praying?

Just being a realist and suggesting sponsors be realists as well.

It'll happen when it happens if it happens.

Nice troll though.

If you say so.

Enjoy the rest of the weekend.

Let tubes be totally banned from google results overnight, their traffic would mostly keep.
Most tube traffic is direct navigation, i.e. type-in and bookmark:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_navigation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type-in_traffic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bookmark_(web)

For old people to forget "pornhub" , "xvideos" etc. in their brain, and new people born after the ban to be over 18, it would take lots of years.

[QUOTE=TheSquealer;20017298While 99.9% of this industry were ignoring what was right in front of them, others were busy building link networks, site networks, structuring them well, linking well, building outside links, using tools like xrumer and others to mix in a lot of non adult links and so on and so on and so on. The basics have never changed ... All that has changed over the years is the pace at which you could build links. [/QUOTE]

Thank you. You are proving that google rewards those that build links in a way in which google likes. It's not about best user experience.

Example.

Plumber 'A' writes an article on how to fix a leaky faucet. It's very easy to understand and great for the user.

Plumber 'B' writes a similar article but it's not so great. But plumber 'B' knows how to build links and does so. Assuming same on page SEO, google sends it's users to Plumber 'B'. The worst article.

In terms of user experience the first article is much better and the user would have a better experience but since google rewards link building the user doesn't get as good an experience.

User experience is not google's top priority. Money is.

Uh google doesn't like porn. Their founders repeatedly have said they hate porn.

Google doesn't make significant money with adult traffic, so any term that it can get away with driving adult terms to sfw sites they do. And then lots of others that are pretty blatantly porn. If I type in "porn" half the results I get are news sites or Wikipedia type shit

They want the traffic to go to sfw sites that can run google Adsense.

:2 cents::2 cents: - They've been saying this for years. Google is not particularly interested in THE world, they are interested in THEIR world. Their revenue world.

With US relinquishing "control" over Internet back to ICANN and all the other moves like ATVOD I can see a day when having free hardcore explicit available to kids, a thing of the past. Then tubes will be irrelevant.

Again, you are being silly. If you provide bad results... you have no users and as such, no revenue.

Furthermore, no search engine can dethrone them, so clearly they are doing a great job no matter what people think.

Approximately 25% of their search queries each day are new. They aren't going to give a spot to a new article on a new domain with no back links vs an older article on an older domain with tons of back links.

And in your analogy, plumber b spends weeks or months making his article rank. Not minutes. And he has to do it in a way which not only goes undetected and unreported... but he has to provide good content, otherwise, it won't get clicks in the SERPs and will drop out anyway. Plumber B, still has to provide good content.... as does Plumber A. The only question is "all things being equal, who will win".

http://sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk/i/w...-all-about.png

http://hateandanger.files.wordpress....k-whistles.jpg

http://imgace.com/wp-content/uploads...an-i-just-.jpg

http://www.dumpaday.com/wp-content/u...es-what-if.jpg

I was at a strip club tonight. The Russian dancer asks what I do. I tell her I sell porn on the Internet and that I own a few websites...

"Oh vich vons? Pornhub?"

"Well ...I verk vit dem..." I mean, "I work with them..."

"Ah that's cool....like the YouPorn and the RedTube? I like the XHamster, too..."

The ONLY sites her and three of her dancer friends (two Romanian, one from Kansas) knew were tube sites.

Case closed.

Thank them for your shrinking income. Tubes I mean. Thats when case is really closed.

And I have a petting zoo full of unicorns in my backyard.

Nope. Just need to be better than the other 2 which aren't that good. You don't have to be great. Yahoo and Bing don't set the bar very high so it is easy to be better than them.

Again who cares if 2 others who suck can't dethrone them. It's cause they suck. Not cause google is so great.

Why not? I thought it was supposed to be about 'user experience' ?

So once again it is about the work a person puts into his site. NOT ABOUT USER EXPERIENCE.

Again you keep making my points for me.

The craziest thing is all four of those tube sites probably make less than $200 million a year COMBINED even with all that traffic and name recognition. Don't get me wrong. I'd love to make $200 million and so too I bet would you but considering these sites control most of the industry's traffic that isn't that much.

A smart businessperson would be trying to figure out how to better monetize that existing $200 million to make it $2 billion or even $20 billion. I think they've screwed themselves there. They've created a monster.

You guys are bizarre. "No one else has managed to build a better search engine and improve the users search experience because Google sucks".... and "Google doesn't care about the user experience, thats how they have grown into a multi billion dollar company and continue to grow, becoming one of the worlds most valuable companies"

I don't think Capitalism works in the way you seem to think it works.

What if user types "porn" and Wiki article come #1. 99.99% of surfers(I believe want to wank) don't care about Wiki at this moment and will click #2 or #3 result (may be right after they click #1 and close it immediately). Will #2 and #3 search result get same traffic as if there is no #1 Wiki? Will Google decrease Wiki #1 position later when bounce rate will be close to 100%? I am just guessing.

Like it or not.... /thread :2 cents:

Did someone hanging from the bottom rung of this business talk about a cheap laugh?
Hilarious seeing what all these weekend pretenders say to try to appear to be relevant. :1orglaugh