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signupdamnit

03-16-2014 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Markul (Post 20017265)

So in other words, you can call out everyone to prove their opinion with ratios and numbers - while you yourself refuse to give out anything of actual value.

Yes. That's exactly it, Markul. The dozen or so articles from industry and mainstream news sources which I have provided excerpts and links to is me refusing to give anything of value.

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And at the same time expect to be taken seriously, while reserving the right to say: "Fuck off ignore me!" to anyone that doesn't agree with you. Okay then :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

And I am not the one whining here, you are, all the time. I also never ever claimed that the industry was in growth or that tubes help the business overall. I said that my business was in growth and that tubes are one tool in the toolbox that I can use to help my business. Get it right please.

So you came to the thread to brag and piss with me but not to actually discuss the topic or provide counter evidence?

Fuck off already, Markul. :)

MaDalton

03-16-2014 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 20017294)

Yes. That's exactly it, Markul. The dozen or so articles from industry and mainstream news sources which I have provided excerpts and links to is me refusing to give anything of value.

sorry, but once again - those articles mostly focus on US-based/DVD (offline) centered companies

like

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"They're destroying us," said Michelle Liss, sales manager of Fleshdrive, a company that sells flash drives preloaded with adult films. "Business is down because of these sites and it sucks. I have friends who come up to me and they say, 'Oh, my god, I saw this great site,' and I say, 'You realize you're hurting my business?' "

selling flash drives? seriously?

besides that - Fleshdrive is Mallcom and as far I remember, they owe money to a lot of people. Just ask Roald when he was with Freeones (amusingly enough they still have Freeones as one of their main headers)

And when I tried to get in touch with them years ago, they didnt even have the courtesy to reply

and thats the people that complain about the business going down

:error :error

signupdamnit

03-16-2014 09:49 AM

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For an industry built on unattainable fantasy, the fate of professional porn may lay in the hands of the actors who publicly reveal their most mundane thoughts and routines on social media.

Long gone are the days when looking at porn required digging through your father?s sock drawer, or worse, purchasing a nudie mag from the judgmental teen behind a shop?s counter. Now, pornographic images are freely accessible simply by turning off Google Safe Search. Internet piracy has left porn companies, like the movie and music industries, scrambling to attract a paying audience.

The profits of the porn industry have rapidly declined in the last 15 years, compelling actors to become more resourceful about finding outlets for their work, the BBC reports. To avoid losing their jobs, adult actors and companies are finding new ways to attract a fanbase.

http://torontostandard.com/industry/...r-salvation-1/

signupdamnit

03-16-2014 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20017301)

sorry, but once again - those articles mostly focus on US-based/DVD (offline) centered companies

like

selling flash drives? seriously?

besides that - Fleshdrive is Mallcom and as far I remember, they owe money to a lot of people. Just ask Roald when he was with Freeones (amusingly enough they still have Freeones as one of their main headers)

And when I tried to get in touch with them years ago, they didnt even have the courtesy to reply

and thats the people that complain about the business going down

:error :error

Yeah I'm sure if you nitpick every article you'll find something small wrong or something to ridicule, comment on a typo, etc. I'm not saying every article is perfect. But overall it seems the trend is clear to those who wish to see.

signupdamnit

03-16-2014 09:54 AM

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The trouble with pornography
Hard times
A big industry in northern Los Angeles is among the worst hit by the recession
Sep 10th 2009 | Los angeles | From the print edition

AFP

EVEN Nina Hartley, who became a pornographic actress in 1984 and continues to be one of its most sought-after performers at the age of 50, is feeling the recession. ?Last year I did a scene a week, this year I do a scene a month,? she says. As a sex celebrity, she has not dropped her fees, charging about $1,200 for a ?straight boy-girl? scene. But production has collapsed, and for younger performers so have prices.

The adult-film industry is concentrated in the San Fernando Valley??the Valley? to Angelenos?on the northern edge of Los Angeles, so the slump in porn is yet another factor depressing the local economy. Pornography had been immune to previous recessions, so the current downturn has come as a shock.

Most of the industry consists of small private production companies whose numbers are secret, but Mark Kernes, an editor at Adult Video News, a trade magazine, estimates that the American industry had some $6 billion in revenues in 2007, before the recession, mostly in DVD sales and rentals and some in internet subscriptions. Diane Duke, the director of the Free Speech Coalition, the adult industry's trade group, thinks that revenues have fallen 30-50% during the past year. ?One producer told me his revenue was down 80%,? she says.

If the Valley used to make 5,000-6,000 films a year, says Mr Kernes, it now makes perhaps 3,000-4,000. Some firms have shut down, others are consolidating or scraping by. For the 1,200 active performers in the Valley this means less action and more hardship. A young woman without Ms Hartley's name-recognition might have charged $1,000 for a straight scene before the crisis, but gets $800 or less now. Men are worse hit. If they averaged $500 for a straight scene in 2007, they are now lucky to get $300. For every performer there are several people in support, from sound-tech to catering and (yes) wardrobe, says Ms Duke, so the overall effect on the Valley economy is large.

The recession, moreover, has exacerbated a previous crisis. Piracy is the main problem. And the internet, with its copious free clips, is an increasingly viable alternative to the paid stuff. Pornography in general has become ?like potato chips, everywhere and cheap, to be consumed and tossed,? says Ms Hartley. It's not the same as in the golden age when she joined. ?The industry will shrink and stay shrunken,? she reckons.

http://www.economist.com/node/14416740

Markul

03-16-2014 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 20017294)

Yes. That's exactly it, Markul. The dozen or so articles from industry and mainstream news sources which I have provided excerpts and links to is me refusing to give anything of value.

Ignorance is a bliss I guess. Show us your numbers. You are asking others to show theirs all the time, so why dont you start? :winkwink:

signupdamnit

03-16-2014 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Markul (Post 20017312)

Ignorance is a bliss I guess. Show us your numbers. You are asking others to show theirs all the time, so why dont you start? :winkwink:

"Fuck off Markul."

MaDalton

03-16-2014 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 20017309)

so when you expect that everyone agrees with you, why bother coming here and post?

signupdamnit

03-16-2014 09:58 AM

Female friendly? ... faced with declining sales pornographers turn to female audience.
http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/life...1117-iji1.html

TheSquealer

03-16-2014 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20017314)

so when you expect that everyone agrees with you, why bother coming here and post?

He has this odd, manic drive to rationalize his own failure. Thats why he isn't interested in anything that contradicts the pre-determined narrative "everything is bad and only getting worse".

I am posting while working on PPC campaigns. He is posting while looking for more articles to twist to prove his narrative correct.

Imagine where your company would be if you woke up each day with that attitude. It's interesting to watch. A guy devotes his life to failure, proving failure, dissecting failure, ranting about failure, obsessing on failure... then can't figure out why he's failing. If he's not blaming tubes, he's accusing programs of stealing from him.

signupdamnit

03-16-2014 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20017314)

so when you expect that everyone agrees with you, why bother coming here and post?

No I agreed with you. Like I said I'm sure if you nitpick the two dozen articles you will find a typo, something silly in them, etc. But the trend overall is clear.

MaDalton

03-16-2014 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 20017321)

No I agreed with you. Like I said I'm sure if you nitpick the two dozen articles you will find a typo, something silly in them, etc. But the trend overall is clear.

i start to think you are Paul Markham - he also likes to put words into other peoples mouths

signupdamnit

03-16-2014 10:06 AM

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As 20,000 adult industry figures -- from porn stars to film distributors to ardent fans -- descend on Las Vegas for the annual AVN Adult Entertainment Expo that runs through Saturday, those in the pleasure business are talking most about ways to fight rampant piracy and adjusting to a new Los Angeles city ordinance requiring performers to wear condoms while at work.

Both are seen as threats to the financial health of an industry said to produce about $8 billion per year in revenue.

Fighting piracy is the norm now for anyone in the entertainment business, adult or otherwise.

Steven Hirsch, founder and co-chairman of industry giant Vivid Entertainment, for instance, goes after websites that illegally post his content. But he acknowledges that victories are usually short-lived. A clip removed from one site usually goes right back up on another.

"It's certainly an issue that needs to be dealt with," he said. "We are against piracy as is everyone else. I do understand the First Amendment argument as well."

One reason piracy is especially damaging to the adult industry is that users often need only five minutes of film to get the job done, Hirsch said, without defining the job in question. It's easier to steal a five-minute clip than a 90-minute movie made for theatrical release, he noted.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/busines...ndom-ordinance

signupdamnit

03-16-2014 10:10 AM

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Fans are the multibillion-dollar industry's lifeblood, but in a strange twist, they're also part of its biggest problem.

"I don't know how they make money," said porn consumer Steve Curely. "I'm a cheap bastard. ... Why pay when you don't have to?"

Paul Fishbein, the publisher of Adult Video News, the industry's largest trade publication, said his business is in trouble.

"The very technology that helped bring the business into the 21st century is also killing it," he said. "It's hard to sell to certain consumers when they can get stuff for free."

It used to be that making money from new technology was the adult industry's biggest advantage. From VHS and DVDs to the early days of the Internet and even mobile devices, pornographers have led the way in creating capital from new forms of distribution.

But being at the forefront of Internet profit-making has made the industry vulnerable to losses from Internet piracy.

"It's a huge issue and it's something that the entire industry is looking at -- and not only the adult industry, but I think Hollywood is looking at it as well," said Steve Hirsch, a top porn producer and founder of Vivid Entertainment.

Hirsch, who has helped make porn mainstream, used to worry about protecting his right to make adult films. Now, he worries about protecting himself from piracy.

"We have two full-time people -- all they do is they're out there on the Internet looking for pirated content," he said. "When they find it, we send a notice, it comes down, then it goes back up and it's sort of a cat-and-mouse game."

Several people ABC News spoke to at the AVN Awards estimated their profits were down 25 percent as a result of piracy and a glut of free content.

http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/porn...ory?id=9795710

signupdamnit

03-16-2014 10:14 AM

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How Big Is Porn?

Recently, much attention has been lavished on the pornography industry?as a business?and many have claimed it is large and profitable, especially on the Internet. Many of the claims are cut from whole cloth, but are accepted without question by the legitimate press.

Skepticism is in order, though, because as David Klatell, associate dean of the Columbia Graduate School of Journalism notes, ?[Pornography] is an industry where they exaggerate the size of everything.? The fact is pornography, or ?adult entertainment,? is as marginal now as it ever was.

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All told, the adult video business takes in anywhere from one-tenth to one-half the figure proffered by Adult Video News. Certainly, self-interested statements by pornographers merit a second look.

http://www.forbes.com/2001/05/25/0524porn.html

ITraffic

03-16-2014 10:17 AM

no one cares.

signupdamnit

03-16-2014 10:19 AM

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This time in the adult industry, though, it may be different, partly because of the current conditions and partly because of the drift by consumers toward new options.

?They are definitely struggling,? said Jack Kyser, an economist with the LACEDC. ?They are subject to piracy like the mainstream industry is, and that siphons revenue away. Then there are a lot of amateurs in the online industry, which is growing rapidly, and they don?t charge for it.

?The industry is really seeing a change in their business model.?

AVN Media Network, the most prominent overseer of the business, publishes trade publications for the adult entertainment industry and puts on trade shows. Paul Fishbein, chairman of AVN, is entering his 27th year in the business, ?and this is the first time I can honestly say the adult business is not recession-proof.?

?Everybody I?m talking to says the business is down anywhere from 20 to 30 percent,? he explained. ?That?s in line with the rest of the economy. People in the retail sector are down anywhere from 10 to 40 percent.?

Why buy the cow ...
While the recession has something to do with it, Fishbein said, the availability of cheaply made adult fare online is cutting into the cash flow for traditional outlets and establishments.

?There?s enough free porn on the Internet that, if you don?t care about quality, you can get what you want,? Fishbein said. ?Plus the DVD business put out 13,000 new releases last year. That?s just too much.

Slideshow: Celebrity Sightings ?There?s too much stuff out there. The economy is bad. And there is a lot of free porn. So it?s a perfect storm that is affecting everybody?s business.?

http://www.today.com/id/28737244/ns/...mping-economy/

signupdamnit

03-16-2014 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ITraffic (Post 20017335)

no one cares.

That's why you are replying and the same people always come in to bicker when such information gets posted. :)

signupdamnit

03-16-2014 10:22 AM

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Web sites like RedTube and PornHub allow users to view pirated porn videos for free.

Porn mogul Jay Quinlan really hates when people on the Internet steal his intellectual property.

At a panel this week at the ?XBIZ State of the Industry Conference,? Quinlan, tattoo-covered vice president of a company that owns three adult entertainment pay Web sites, struggled to contain his anger over seeing videos from his pages being illegally posted on YouTube-esque porn hubs.

?The people stealing this stuff should be brought out to the back room and shot,? he said. ?I mean, who wouldn?t want to watch free porn? I don?t think people are that picky about their masturbation habits. So every year that goes by now, there are new people ? especially younger people ? watching adult content who think that porn is free. And it?s not good.?

YouTube has an answer in the porn industry, and it?s called "Tube." Web sites like RedTube and PornHub allow users to upload and view an unlimited selection of mostly illegal porn videos for free, and it has devastated the porn industry.

The adult business, already struggling from free, user-generated porn on the Internet, saw a 22 percent steep decline in DVD sales and rentals last year, more than twice that of Hollywood, according to a Hustler press release at the conference.

The issue hit mainstream media in December of 2007, when leading porn producer Vivid Entertainment Group filed a lawsuit against Porno Tube, alleging the site profited from its copyrighted material. Like with Napster, it made little difference.

The free sites are still wildly popular today. Alexa, a web information company that ranks the top global sites on the web by traffic, on Thursday had ranked YouPorn at #35 and RedTube at #49, both above CNN?s Web site, which was #50 and #72 Apple.com. (LINK)

http://www.thewrap.com/media/article...s-profits-1394

Markul

03-16-2014 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 20017313)

"Fuck off Markul."

If you say so Paul :1orglaugh

signupdamnit

03-16-2014 10:24 AM

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You know our economy is in really deep trouble when no one spends money on pr0n.

Sure, people once believed the adult entertainment industry was recession proof, as porno movies, at a certain point, actually made more money than legitimate Hollywood flicks.   

Adult industry needs a stimulus planComparing it to the alcohol industry, the ubiquitous Ron Jeremy said, "When times are good you drink, when times are bad you drink."   

But now reports are surfacing that since taking a slide several years ago, the X-rated biz still hasn't recovered.

"Americans Consuming Less Pornography" read the headline in the Hollywood Reporter, and the story also tells us that revenue in 2010 has gone down from $899 million from $1 billion in 2008. What's hit the adult industry is what's also hit the music business and mainstream Hollywood: people taking content for free.

According to an earlier report in the L.A. Times, adult pay per view went down 50%, and one porn star, Savanah Stern, told the Times where she was once making $1,000 per sex scene, she was down to $700 a scene, and where her yearly income was $150,000 a year, she was now down to $50,000 a year.

Back in 2007, I spoke to Bill Asher, President of Vivid Entertainment Group, and he said movie pirating was then already a problem in the adult biz.

"If you go to these sites that have video sharing, the number one product on the site is adult, the number one brand of adult that's being shared, or stolen if you will, is Vivid. So it's always been a big issue for us.

"But our take on it is a little more like independent bands think," Asher continues. "Until these sites get shut down, we'd rather there be Vivid content on there. Let people get a taste for our movies. For us, it's good advertising. With adult, remember we're putting out a new movie every four days, so what you pirate today will be out of date four days from now."   

Two years later, Asher told L.A. Times reporter Ben Fritz, "It had never crossed our minds that we'd be competing with people who just give it away for free."

Another problem that may have hurt the adult industry is over exposure.  

http://www.tgdaily.com/games-and-ent...-stimulus-plan

Sly	03-16-2014 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 20017338)

That's why you are replying and the same people always come in to bicker when such information gets posted. :)

It makes more sense for them to defend an industry that they make a living on, than it does for you to go on and on about an industry that you claim to have moved on from.

I just do it because I can't let affiliates know there is no more money!

signupdamnit

03-16-2014 10:28 AM

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Porn Is Not a $4 Billion Industry. Think Before You Swallow.

While in the midst of a report sharing the facts and quelling the irritating telephone game that always starts following a report of adult industry disease "outbreaks," I came across a dear friend.

"The $4 billion industry..."

I pressed pause on my boom box (today's a Hot Chip day, following Friday's rad show at the Hollywood Bowl), finished my Red Bull (sugar free, duh) and hit up my buddy Kristen Kaye, executive director of business development at adult trade organization XBIZ.

"They're using that old number again," I told her. She chuckled.

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"That year [2001] was just the beginning of a highly profitable decade for adult entertainment companies up until the past couple years where revenue has been down virtually across the board as a result of free porn on the internet, tube sites, piracy and oversaturation," Javors said.

Though media outlets still reference the multi-billion-dollar numbers (understandably so - what else is there to quote?), keep in mind that regardless of how many surveys were sent out or on-the-record conversations were recorded, there's no way to truly know how much money adult companies make.

"The adult industry has always been a private realm founded by and structured around savvy business minds who founded sex-centric companies as million-dollar side projects," Kaye told AfterDarkLA. "It's all about perception - whether they're making a dollar or 14 billion, no smart business owners will reveal true numbers."

The industry is like a big men's locker room. We're all sitting in the steam room with towels covering our junk sharing our trysts from the weekend. You'll never know if Jim actually banged a Laker Girl AND won the lottery doing doggy style, but he certainly looks like a stud and is wearing a new watch, so you give him the benefit of the doubt.

http://www.laweekly.com/afterdark/20...re-you-swallow

signupdamnit

03-16-2014 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 20017343)

As I said many times before I am still in the industry. I just do no further work with pay sites as an affiliate as there is no future in it given the state of the industry and piracy/free content.

Lying and pretending you have a 12 inch dick doesn't make it true. You can't defend the industry by pretending. When you do that you are only hurting it.

What I am posting is the truth. If someone wants to refute it, please do. But you can't do that by calling me names or questioning my motives and making snide comments. At least I won't accept that.

Markul

03-16-2014 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 20017351)

As I said many times before I am still in the industry.

How about proving that for us all ?

signupdamnit

03-16-2014 10:36 AM

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For many years, the adult entertainment industry was on the vanguard of technological innovation. Companies in the pornography have for years used the latest technologies to distribute their content, beginning with VHS tapes in the 1980s and evolving with the birth of the Internet in the 1990s.

However, in many ways, the adult entertainment industry is facing many of the same problems as the music and movie industries.

Now that all media content can be digitized, reduced to a series of ones and zeroes and transferred instantly over the Internet, issues of piracy and falling revenue streams are beginning to hamper the pornography business.

?It?s hard to sell a product [porn] that a lot of people don?t think they should have to pay for anymore,? Allison Vivas, chief executive of Arizona-based adult entertainment company Pink Visual, said during a panel discussion at the Mesh technology conference in Toronto on Wednesday.

http://business.financialpost.com/20...e-digital-age/

signupdamnit

03-16-2014 10:39 AM

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Nobody pays for porn anymore: A tale of a sad-sack expo

This is the Adult Entertainment Expo. Held every January in Las Vegas, it?s a loud, glitzy celebration of America?s most recession-proof industry. Well, at least it used to be. In recent years, exhibitors at the Expo have been slowly vanishing. ?It feels like the industry is deteriorating,? says one adult star. ?It?s sad.?

The reason? Nobody pays for porn anymore. Over the past five years, adult studios have seen their revenues plummet as more of their viewers turn to pirated porn uploaded onto ?porn tube sites,? the X-rated cousins of YouTube. With only a few clicks, anybody with an internet connection can stream bootlegged content that used to cost them $25 and a trip to the adult video store.

X-rated tube sites were first launched about five years ago with the idea that it could be a place for exhibitionist couples to post homemade sex tapes. Soon, the sites began overflowing with illegally-uploaded videos from professional studios. Propped up by pirated content, porn tube sites now make up four of the world?s top 100 most visited websites. Blame the college students, say porn producers. While baby boomers were happy to plunk down $40 or $50 for a blue movie now and then, the next generation of internet-savvy porn users is used to getting such things for free.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/01...sad-sack-expo/

signupdamnit

03-16-2014 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Markul (Post 20017354)

How about proving that for us all ?

I shouldn't have to (the thousands of industry posts I've made should prove it) and shouldn't even be responding but I guess I can scan in a check or something with the personal information blacked out. The only thing is if I do that you have to agree to pay $100 for every post you made in this thread + every future post (so you have to pay $100 each time you post here in this topic) to the charity of my choice within 72 hours and provide a receipt. Deal?

I think I know what will happen you will go on and on bickering about things with this and it'll never be good enough. So I think I'm playing into the troll but I'll offer you the chance here. Yes or no?

Markul

03-16-2014 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 20017375)

Hahaha you must be joking. Why would I want to see a check? Show me a site of yours. And no. I will not pay for it lol. Just show us all that you actually do something other than whine.

signupdamnit

03-16-2014 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Markul (Post 20017480)

Hahaha you must be joking. Why would I want to see a check? Show me a site of yours. And no. I will not pay for it lol. Just show us all that you actually do something other than whine.

Then it looks like you believe I'm in the industry after all.

signupdamnit

03-16-2014 01:39 PM

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At the Adult Entertainment Expo held last weekend at the Hard Rock Hotel & Casino in Las Vegas, Nevada, I talked to adult performers, agents, consumers, directors, producers, cam girls, veterans, and newcomers about the state of the adult movie industry.

Pirating was the subject everyone was talking about. Now that pirates have commandeered their content, what can those who work in adult do about it?

For some, business is booming. Take, for example, Nate Glass, CEO of Takedown Piracy, a company that attempts to wrest pirated content from the pirates? hands.

For one veteran porn star I spoke to at the show, after thirteen years out of the business, everything has changed.

For a top adult talent agent, demand is non-stop.

Today, consumers don?t want to pay for porn, and therein lies the problem. Can the industry reinvent itself?

Here, those who work in porn talk about how they make a living in the brave new world of porn.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/susannah...iness-of-porn/

signupdamnit

03-16-2014 01:43 PM

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SAN FRANCISCO ? The adult-entertainment industry is in a tailspin, shattering the notion that it is one of the few recession-proof industries.

The slump is especially stinging because technology ? which helped adult-entertainment enterprises reap riches through innovations such as video streaming, webcameras and online payments ? is contributing to the misery.

DVDs and online pay sites, which make up the majority of porn-related sales, are in a free fall largely because of the rise of so-called tube sites.

Knockoffs of video-sharing site YouTube, the sites serve up snippets of free porn that is often pirated. (Google's YouTube has done its best to bar explicit content.)

Some 1,000 tube sites ? double those of a year ago ? have put a sizable dent in the estimated $13 billion porn industry, prompting a flurry of copyright-infringement lawsuits. Most tube sites run ads to make money.

"We're dealing with the perfect storm: declining DVD sales, rampant piracy, free content and a weak economy," says Steven Hirsch, founder of porn heavyweight Vivid Entertainment. He says its DVD sales plunged 20% last year. "This is the worst I've seen in this industry in 25 years."

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/...orn02_ST_N.htm

signupdamnit

03-16-2014 01:45 PM

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Down the Tubes

How free streaming video threatens the porn industry

The troubles for the porn studios began with a technology called BitTorrent, introduced in 2001, which made it easy for people to share data files over the Internet. This technology provided the world with unlimited free music, much to the dismay of the giant music publishers. But it was still somewhat clunky. If you wanted to watch a video, you had to download it, which took time and ate up space on your hard drive.

By 2005, the BitTorrent technology gave way to something more manageable and user-friendly: streaming video. This technology was used early and heavily by sites with names like PornHub, Xvideos, and YouPorn. Suddenly, anybody who wanted to watch a clip could do so almost instantly. You clicked on a video and it played in the browser: no more waiting, no more downloading.

This simple innovation has demolished the porn industry?s traditional way of doing business. Porn tube sites are now among the most visited websites in the world. According to the online measurement company Alexa, PornHub holds a worldwide traffic rank of 54. Xvideos is at number 53, and haYouPorn is at number 64. The threat comes from the sheer ease of uploading content?anyone?s content?onto a site and then drawing users to view it. Most tubes describe themselves as aggregators of ?user-generated content,? but the material they publish is much broader?many video clips are created, paid for, and owned by porn studios.

?Piracy has hurt us a lot,? says Ali Joone, founder and director of the adult-film company Digital Playground, which last year tracked illegal downloads of its most popular title, Pirates. ?Over the course of a month, it was downloaded about four million times. And that?s just from a handful of sites. Even if those downloads cost us a thousand customers, let?s say, who were going to pay?that hurts.?

The porn studios face the same fundamental question as any content provider in the Internet age: how do you protect your stuff once it?s ?out there?? The answer, so far, is, ?Not well.?

The tube effect has been profound enough to inspire a recent public-service announcement featuring more than a dozen adult performers and directors pleading with fans not to view pirated porn. One actress, Charley Chase (who did not participate in the PSA but says she faces the same troubles), got into the business in late 2007 on the promise of lots of work at high pay. But the pay has dropped and the work has dried up. ?And it?s all because of piracy,? she says.

http://www.technologyreview.com/revi...own-the-tubes/

Markul

03-16-2014 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 20017503)

Then it looks like you believe I'm in the industry after all.

No not really. I do believe you are not "all there" though. Show us a site or GTFO ;)

signupdamnit

03-16-2014 01:52 PM

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Now, at 27, Stoya's a free agent ? free from the life of a contracted pornographer ? which means she can say whatever the hell she wants about the major porn production companies, and she does. (She?s a Vice columnist, after all.) It doesn?t take her long, in the day I spend with her, to tell me how big fish corporate companies are devaluing porn by posting the films by small studios on pornography equivalents of YouTube. The studios then either go out of business or get bought out by the big companies. It sounds a lot like what happened to the music industry with the advent of Napster and LimeWire, but with porn sites, only a few sites make considerable bank off of advertisements. She wants me ? and you ? to know that the corrupt studios, the ones that accept poor working conditions for both crew and talent (Stoya mentions a time she voiced concern over shooting ?in the desert at high noon in mid summer with no toilets on set in a place where rattlesnakes hang out?), are the ones who make all the money when we illegally download free porn, and what I guess you could call the free-range organic mom ?n? pop studios are going out of business because of it.

http://www.cosmopolitan.com/sex-love...ng-pornography

signupdamnit

03-16-2014 01:56 PM

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Is the Porn Bubble About to Pop?

I went to the AVN Expo last week to teach a seminar on sex education in retail settings for Good Vibrations. I?ve been to a few shows before, so it wasn?t new. That?s a good thing because I find Las Vegas a bit much even without dozens of porn performers wandering around in skimpy clothing, hundreds of fans getting autographed copies of DVDs, flashing lights, loud (and bad) music, and giant screens showing porn clips.

I?m not the only one who noticed that this year?s show was a lot smaller than past ones. There were fewer booths and many companies had smaller spaces. There also seemed to be fewer fans and the awards show was in a smaller venue. Of course, no industry is truly recession-proof, but I think that the porn industry faces some unique difficulties.

Partly, that?s because of porn?s history. Until recently, porn was pretty much disposable. People (mostly, but not only men) bought it, watched it a few times and threw it out or hid it in the attic. The industry could constantly produce more and more magazines and movies because it was rare for people to keep them for long. The internet has changed that, though. These days, movies don?t go away to make room for new ones. Instead, they get shifted to a different webpage. That led to a glut and the industry hasn?t really figured out how to deal with that. This is made more complex by the increase in non-industry folks who film themselves having sex and upload it to a tube site like xtube.com, as well as clips of pirated movies. Why in the world should someone pay for porn when they can find lots of whatever turns them on for free?

http://www.charlieglickman.com/2010/...-about-to-pop/

topnotch, standup guy

03-16-2014 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ITraffic (Post 20017335)

no one cares.

Lot's of people care, the Tube Boys themselves more than anyone.

Thing is, the latter will never admit there's a problem and, with a few exceptions, no one else offers a viable solution that doesn't entail rolling around in the dung heap with the same scumbags that brought all of this about in the first place.
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topnotch, standup guy

03-16-2014 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Markul (Post 20017518)

No not really. I do believe you are not "all there" though. Show us a site or GTFO ;)

You would do well to see an eye doc and get that tunnel vision of yours checked out. Left untreated such conditions can be very debilitating.

The articles the OP has posted speak for themselves and the credentials of the authors thereof are a matter of public record.

Perhaps you might want to consider attempting to actually like, you know, read one of them.

Don't worry.. if you wait until you're alone first, no one will see your lips moving.
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TheSquealer

03-16-2014 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 20016769)

Yes you're mr. motivational speaker constantly calling people who disagree with you losers while hiding behind an anonymous nickname and posting no stats and pretending to be a porn billionaire. You said in the other thread you left and got back into it. Sounds like an excuse to me. I really don't care but when you're calling others "no join losers" then you should be prepared to show your own cards not to mention how you know what others are making, mr. motivational speaker.

I just realized i still have niftstats installed on a computer and it has a couple sponsors i use still entered and still working and downloading stats. I wasn't keen on the idea of posting stats from systems people would recognize.

Thats 2014 (as the date shows) and you can't just put a fake date because when you change it in niftystats, it automatically changes the time period and downloads the stats for that period.

So anyway... there you go. Some basic stats from a fraction of the programs I work with... for 2 1/2 months only.

So yeah... clearly its all over in 2014.

The primary difference between myself and others is that where you see failure, i see opportunity. Where you see decline, i see competition dropping off, creating more opportunity. Where you see an endless barrage of reasons not to continue, I see only opportunity. Where you busy yourself trying to convince yourself and others that its over, i busy myself planning my next move and growing what I have or enjoying my time with the people I care about.

The honest truth is that i've been insanely lazy so far this year. I took a MASSIVE hit in January and realized I was getting really burned out. I am only now starting to recover from it. Even with that major setback and really just fucking off and neglecting things, i still made more in a couple months than you will make online in years.

Your future is shaped by you and you alone...not by the actions of others. Not tube sites. Not piratebay.se. Not TGPs. Not brazzers.... but you. You should spend your time reading the Art of War rather than archaic articles written by non industry people and failed companies full of fabricated facts and blatantly wrong statements.

When you focus your thoughts on growth and success, that becomes the new prism through which you judge the world. When you focus on failure and why you are failing and that you will fail in the future, you've doomed yourself.

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signupdamnit

03-16-2014 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 20017698)

Wow. Thanks for finally putting something up after insulting everyone else. You're talking more like a human now too which I appreciate. Not bad stats at all assuming they are really yours but very weird stats there. 1:256 overall? 1:9, 1:7, 1:133 with 55 chargebacks on 189 new sales and 470 rebills? I cannot even imagine what it is you might be doing. :) It doesn't look like paysites that much is certain...

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