Originally Posted by DWB (Post 20044171)

I'm not trying to defend WHP, but since you mentioned Africa I wanted to point out that not all countries get the same vaccines. Some require more, some less, and some at different ages. There are variables that for whatever reason get ignored by studies.

It goes without saying that in some cases you absolutely must get vaccinated against some things, especially in regions of the world where your baby will flat out die if you don't. Yellow fever, malaria, hepatitis, and so on. Some you simply must have, no matter the risks involved.

Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 20043882)

I don't understand why you people would continue to argue with this guy. You're giving legitimacy to his asinine arguments by even acknowledging them. I mean the idiot even admits that his formal education on the subject matter consists only of his own "research".

Yes it's sad that some people are so stupid that they might be influenced by this kind of nonsense. Unfortunately you can't fix stupid but at the same time people like the original poster are never able to influence actual policy anywhere because it's obvious to anyone with even a partial education that they're woefully ignorant on the subject matter. One country in Europe, I forget which off the top of my head, recently had their high court rule that the rights of parents to be ignorant do not trump the rights of children to be safe and have mandated vaccination. This is a trend that hopefully will continue making people like WHP even less significant than they already are. They will get more and more desperate, and make more and more noise, but overall have an even smaller effect. The vaccine conspiracy retards are losing and will have to move on to something else before too long.

I am not a medical doctor and so I have to rely on the knowledge of those who are. That's frustrating because lots of times doctors don't agree on things. In this case, however, the overwhelming majority of all medical professionals strongly agree on vaccination. Even if that weren't the case, hell, a single peer reviewed study is more powerful than every YouTube video these asshats can come up with.

I actually know two people, a man and a woman, who both do and have done an awful lot of work in Africa. One of them is currently volunteering at an HIV clinic in Numidia and the other has worked in a couple of different African countries with the Doctors Without Boarders organization. People like WHP absolutely infuriate them. When a mother would risk death to walk Hundreds of miles JUST for the CHANCE of getting their children vaccines, you have to ask yourself why? Do you think that "Big Pharma" has indoctrinated her? Of course not, it's because when you're actually face death for your children from preventable diseases, you have a lot different perspective than posting from your mom's basement in the UK.

Originally Posted by DWB (Post 20044171)

It goes without saying that in some cases you absolutely must get vaccinated against some things, especially in regions of the world where your baby will flat out die if you don't. Yellow fever, malaria, hepatitis, and so on. Some you simply must have, no matter the risks involved.

Originally Posted by Sarah_Jayne (Post 20044205)

Whenever I see threads like these, I think of that guy in Ghostbusters who made Egon turn off the system that was keeping all the bad ghosts in place where they couldn't hurt the public.

That and the various adults I knew growing up that were partially paralyzed because they had polio as a child.

Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 20044210)

didn't they have a different form of Vaccine when all that started? Scrape of the arm?

Originally Posted by Sarah_Jayne (Post 20044205)

Whenever I see threads like these, I think of that guy in Ghostbusters

Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 20044227)

They used to use a vaccine which caused Polio by itself, after a child have been vaccinated they could spread Polio to those around them via shedding.

"Jonas Salk, inventor of the IPV, testified before a Senate subcommittee that nearly all polio outbreaks since 1961 were caused by the oral polio vaccine."

Bill Gates still sends that particular vaccine to the Third World. :2 cents:

Originally Posted by wehateporn (Post 20042145)

CDC = Center for Disease Creation

CDC receives money from the Pharmaceuticals and is full of people who quit their job in a major Pharmaceutical one day, started in the CDC the next, then after a few years moved straight back to their previous corporate job. Conflicts of interests everywhere, certainly not independent.




No, the anti-vaccine people and those who are concerned with vaccine safety are the ones who've read a lot more than you, it's takes years of research to start to turn against vaccine. We don't get our information from celebrities either, that's just what the propagandists like to say, we get our information from top doctors like Dr Peter Fletcher the former head of the UK Department of Health, we also use our brains to look for conflicts of interest each time a study appears instead of blindly trusting them.

The game is rigged Mark, difficult to accept I know, hard to throw away your old belief system, I can understand you wanting to cling onto it.

Dr Peter Fletcher, former UK Chief Scientific Officer at the Department of Health on MMR/Autism

"it is the steady accumulation of evidence, from a number of respected universities, teaching hospitals and laboratories around the world, that matters here. There's far too much to ignore. Yet government health authorities are, it seems, more than happy to do so."

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"the refusal by governments to evaluate the risks properly will make this one of the greatest scandals in medical history"

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"There are very powerful people in positions of great authority in Britain and elsewhere who have staked their reputations and careers on the safety of MMR and they are willing to do almost anything to protect themselves."

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"Clinical and scientific data is steadily accumulating that the live measles virus in MMR can cause brain, gut and immune system damage in a subset of vulnerable children,"

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20044238)

it's weird you claim to be the enlightened one.

Originally Posted by ********** (Post 20044375)

So yeah, right. You want the world to listen to some porn webmaster instead of doctors and scientists from the CDC. Sorry but I think I will go with the real experts instead of the pretend experts.