Are you a vegetarian? I like steaks!!

I'm glad you can't read. I didn't say anything about you posting a call to arms. But now that I know for sure that you're unable to comprehend really simple words, I'll just disregard you from here on out as another conspiracy loon like WHP. :thumbsup

You have a learning disability?

According to this
http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/ne...rville-roundup

BLM is releasing the cattle back to Bundy and pulling out of the area

You know there are things here we will not hear about going on!

GFY standards? LOL come on Aaron. I have never seen them so low. This is what I expect lol

They set up no-fly zone to keep News helicopters away

http://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/notam_actual_4_1687.html

Thanks for pointing out how dumb you are. :winkwink:

So you are not denying a learning disibility? I never said anything about my intelligence. I can help you out with a copy of hooked on phonics. Maybe help your ability to read to at least a 4th grade level.

I'll break it down for you. I said, and I quote... "if you're unable to distinguish far right blogs calling for arms".... not "Vendzilla", or "old idiot".

But keep preaching on about other people being ignorant when it's pretty clear you can't read for shit. :1orglaugh

You brought up calling for arms as an insult like I believed it, it was clearly your intention to label me in that I believe those blogs when I never mentioned anything about the militia or the calling to arms.

Clearly you think I'm beneath you as I'm older. Something I'm sure you share because of a troubled relationship with your mother.

You came in this thread , not to debate, but to insult.


Trevesty, is that a play on words for Travesty? As in what the state paid for your education? It was a Travesty?

You sure love to make assumptions and write out a lot of words just because someone pointed out that you can't read very well. I'm sorry your feelings are hurt... actually, no I'm not. I have no respect for far-right loons.

?Years ago, I used to have 52 neighboring ranchers,? he said. ?I?m the last man standing. How come? Because BLM regulated these people off the land and out of business.?

http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/cliven-bundy-part-1/

Do you really think that I'll listen to anything posted on a conspiracy website? Really?

A few of his neighboring ranchers were commenting on the original Reddit thread on /r/news. 3 of them weren't really defending him, but were pretty upset with the feds - 1 of them seemed pretty neutral - he just described what was going on for those of us who didn't know without putting some omg freedom or omg feds are right spin on it. So, I'm not sure how they define "neighbor", but they were posting pictures from their porch of helicopters, etc., coming in with "hey reddit!" signs. I guess that'd have to be pretty close.

Regardless, I wouldn't consider anything from that site worth anything.

If you can read, why do you quote me and say nothing that has to do with what I posted?

My feelings aren't hurt, this is GFY.
You are the one trying so hard to battle with an OLD GUY.

Now you are calling me a far right loon? WHY? What makes you think that?

Shows how little you are following all this, it's pretty over for now and the BLM is giving back the cattle, the calmer heads are prevailing. I'm sure you would have done it differently.





This is fun. But I'm going to stop this.
The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits. And I have reached mine for the day!

Have a good day Travesty

:thumbsup

Another asshole like this
 

This guy has this semi trailer on US 71 I-29 calling Democrats parasites. The USDA pays him over $200,000 a year in farm subsidies. So who is the real parasite?

http://i.imgur.com/uPnBqYV.jpg

I really don't care what you listen to. But since you have an issue with that source, pick another.

https://www.google.com/search?q=bundy+52+ranchers

If InfoWars isn't your style, then here's a Reuters article:


(Reuters) - U.S. Senator Harry Reid recognized nine years ago that connections between his official duties and the lobbying activities of his relatives could lead to ethical questions.

In 2003, the Nevada Democrat publicly banned relatives from lobbying him or his staff after newspaper reports showed that Nevada industries and institutions routinely turned to Reid's sons or son-in-law for representation.

Now, questions surrounding family ties are flaring again in Nevada around the Senate majority leader. He and his oldest son, Rory, are both involved in an effort by a Chinese energy giant, ENN Energy Group, to build a $5 billion solar farm and panel manufacturing plant in the southern Nevada desert.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...87U06D20120831

The websites some of you guys put forth as news sources - with straight faces - is fucking absurd. Infowars? PolicestateUSA.com? Natural News???

Even that David Blackmon guy for Forbes is a well-known shill & apologist for the oil & gas industries, every single thing he writes is in some way a rationalization that corporations should be able to drill & frack & graze & pave over every square fucking inch of the country that they want to.

That these sources are being presented as remotely credible and doing anything other than promoting their ideologies by whatever kooky cherry-picked distortions or speculations they can muster...... welp, I guess critical thinking skills aren't humanity's strong suit.

According to that article the matters are completely unrelated. The land in that article was already bought and sold to the chinese firm. also, that land is over 250 miles away from gold butte, where this matter is occurring. Also, the world's biggest solar farm is 3500 acres. a paltry amount compared to the 100,000s of acres bundy's cattle were grazing from.

I'm not seeing harry reid being behind this.

settle down.

speaking for myself, I'm shooting the shit here about an interesting topic that is unfolding in real time with various sources of conflicting information. You're sadly mistaken if you think I'm clinging to anything about this story, especially a news summary.


If you think my posting that more than fair summary of what appears to blackmon to be going on is some sort of poster child for humanity's critical thinking ability in 2014, grab a mirror.

this isn't about money... it's about how the BLM and feds can come claim any land any time and fuck you over.... Cliven hasn't hurt anyone... the BLM is claiming endangered tortoise yet last year we closed our tortoise sanctuary cause BLM said can't do it anymore... it's bullshit... cliven is a good guy his family is huge and he been on these lands before they were these lands....

deltav, let me know what's not credible about this overview by blackmon and why you claim I lack critical thinking skills simply because I posted it in this thread.

Well there was obviously something to it because the Feds are releasing the cattle back onto the very land they took them from!

This is what happens when a large group of Americans are willing to stand up for what they believe in. Now just imagine if everyone across the country acted like this. Washington would be cleaned up pretty quick.


http://www.8newsnow.com/story/252315...iven-bundy-blm


Armed Bundy family leaders met with BLM officers Saturday afternoon in Mesquite to discuss the fate of the Bundy's cattle that the feds removed from BLM land, over the past week.

Under the deal the cattle were released from a holding area near Mesquite, back onto the federal lands they were removed from.
...
Prior to the meeting, hundreds of protesters, some armed, tried storming the BLM's cattle gate, but weren't successful. The crowd was urged to wait 30 minutes and give both sides a chance to talk.

I listened to the man himself on the radio yesterday. And Mr. Bundy said he had 500 cattle. Not 1,000 and not "thousands"

He also said that the govt. had taken approximately 300 of his cattle as of yesterday, which left him with 200 or so cows.

I don't know where all these sites are getting info from. But I'm taking it straight from the source.

He also said that his family had used those lands for open range grazing since the 1880's. As have several other ranchers. That is the way it was done historically.

And he also pointed out that the land does NOT belong to the Federal Govt.

He also said that he has paid "grazing fees" to Clark County, NV
The land is Clark County property is what he stated on the radio and that he pays them every year.

He also pointed out the absurdity of the BLM's claim that cows are harming the tortoises!!!

Cows don't hurt turtles.
And Mr. Bundy pointed that out. His family and other ranchers have been here from the beginning of Nevada. I think that anybody with common sense would realize a cow doesn't hurt a turtle.

What's next? Is the BLM going to start hunting down every animal that lives on those lands EXCEPT the turtle...so the turtle can be "safe"???

The first thing the BLM should do is remove itself. They themselves KILLED 1,000 of these "endangered" tortoises because the population of them is out of control.

I'm reading through these posts, and the one thing I don't understand is:
How does the govt. come in on lands it does not own with all of it's resources and power...then bully a hard working ranching family: Then somehow this becomes an argument about "right wingers" and "conspiracy nuts"???

It's happening right in front of our faces.
The govt. is overreaching.
It doesn't matter if you are a "Democrat" or a "Republican" or if you own a gun or not.

This is the kind of thing that our country was founded to NOT have happen to our citizens.

And the BLM creating an imaginary "First Amendment Zone"? What the fuck is that?
And then a "No fly zone" over the property so the news helicopters couldn't film them?

What was the guy supposed to do?

I'm GLAD that some people are not going to let the govt. push them around like that.

And in my humble opinion it shows why gun ownership IS still an important thing in this country.

It's just my opinion. I've seen in the last few decades a steady erosion of freedom in this country. It's all been "baby steps" so you don't notice the little incremental moves.

But when you step back and look at it as a whole...especially since 9-11, the govt. is way out of control.

Again: Those are NOT "federal lands". The BLM is claiming jurisdiction because of an endangered tortoise that lives in the desert.
The land is Clark County. Which is why the Sheriff never arrested Mr. Bundy and was instrumental in the meeting to end the "stand off".

I wasn't really referring to you with that post, you're usually one of the more reasonable guys in these discussions.

But just wanted to state for the record that Blackmon's MO is defending Big Oil, gas companies, ranchers, etc, at all costs and curse those evil regulators in pretty much everything he writes. And in that excerpt you posted he does actually make some pretty huge assumptions while using the language of fact - "obvious conclusion" "key facts" "clear expectation" - which again has always been his technique in Forbes as an industry shill.

I don't really have a dog in this one, IMO there are plenty of bigger fish to fry in the industry/land-use conflict arena... it's more just the 1000th time I see Infowars and Natural News being used as objective evidence... just smh.

I kinda see what you're saying. But he uses those assumptions to conclude that bundy has a legal leg to stand on re: capricious regulations, which I find to be a reasonable conclusion.

But yeah, he's pro-oil, i've had that pointed out to me here before re: the tesla when I qouted him on that. :1orglaugh

I think he does a reasonably good summation of events, sure he peppers it with conclusions, nevertheless.

Sweet, but knowing that you'd consider a conspiracy site worthy of mentioning says a lot. Police state usa? come on.. at least some of the other ones TRY to hide their paranoid dip shit bias. Anyways, only Fox News and offgridsurvival.com mention that quote that I see in the top 10. So.. a company that lies consistently and this has been documented, and then another conspiracy site. Awesome. :1orglaugh

http://lasvegassun.com/news/2014/apr...ully-not-hero/
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2014...dy-blm-battle/

Again, came down to a far-right traditionalist dork wanting to have his cake and eat it, too, but got his feelings all hurt when the government decided to stop baking the cake entirely. Pretty typical. :thumbsup

I don't know how accurate this is

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The land has belonged to the federal government since 1848, when it was acquired under the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo.

From 1848 until passage of the Taylor Grazing Act of 1934, the federal government allowed free grazing on federal open range. The Taylor Grazing Act provided for grazing permits within the grazing districts established under the act. The permits required the payment of grazing fees.

The Taylor Grazing Act was subsequently pre-empted by the Federal Land Policy and Management Act of 1976, which continued to provide for grazing fees.

The grazing contracts have a ten-year term.

Nevada open-range law specifically recognizes federal grazing contract provisions as Nevada law.

From 1934 to 1993, the Bundy family had a grazing contract with the federal government and paid the grazing fee.

In 1993, Clive Bundy refused to sign a new grazing agreement with the BLM because the new agreement limited the number of cattle on the allotment (due to the presence of an endangered species of tortoise) and increased the grazing fee.

I personally wouldn't trust this guy as far as I could throw him, or what he says. He has every reason in the world to lie. :thumbsup

That's been my understanding as well - nothing about Clark County owning it. In fact, every reference to the "land" is about the feds owning it even on some of the more loony tunes sites.

As I understood what Bundy said:
It is NOT federal land. It belongs to the state of Nevada and Clark County in particular. Or to "the people" as it should.

It IS a "federally protected" land. Meaning that they can say the tortoise is being "hurt" by the cows.

I have no way other than what I can find online of knowing if that is accurate or not.

I have heard a number that says the Federal Govt. owns 28% of all land in the U.S. (which is kinda fucked up if you ask me).

There isn't anything fucked up with the Federal govt owning land. That means that we usually have access to that land.

Come to Texas drive around a bit and see how little access you have to any public land. Certain cities have great access like Austin, San Marcos and San Antonio but else where in the state it's just miles and miles of fenced off land and zero access. If it wasn't for the federally owned land in Texas there would be next to nothing that the pubic could access with out having to pay a fee.

The national forest, beaches and even BLM land is something to be thankful over, not complain about..

I know you live in Vegas, but not sure if you've ever driven through Utah / Montana, etc. There is a TON of wide open space - beautiful drive, though.

Let me tell you how I came to post that link....

I recalled the facts from a facebook post and discussions I've had with people at the site in question. I then searched Google and posted the first link. That's how much "consideration" I put into the conspiracy thing.

The bottom line here is that you think that because something is posted to a "conspiracy" site that by default, it as no factual basis.

Like I said in my initial post here: "This thread is overflowing with misinformation and ignorant opinions."

I do agree that federally MANAGED land is a good thing.
I just don't think that the federal govt. should actually be owning 28% of the real estate in this country.

I heard someone on the news discussing this the other day. They said that the only land that the federal govt. originally "owned" was a 10 x 10 mile square called Washington D.C.
And they had to pay the states for that land.

Now they just simply TAKE it.

I just don't trust those lifetime bureaucrats. I don't sit around like some nut job fretting over it or anything. But when a discussion like this one comes up...it makes me think about it a little bit more.

I haven't done that yet. But I've been wanting to. Maybe this will be the summer I'll do that. I get so caught up in work that I haven't took a proper NON-working vacation in 4 years.

I drove through Colorado and Utah to the Vegas show in January. Long ass drive, but very worth it.

If a place consistently cries "wolf" about every single thing the government does and puts a far-right, cry baby spin on it, I won't trust it ever. The same as I won't trust a person who constantly cries wolf. It's called being rational.