Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20119060)

But they lied about his importance, they lied about his health to by pass the law about giving 30 days notice.

simple fact, the Army found back in 2010 he deserted his post in a time of war. He was the only person to do that.

Lie #6: The release of the terrorists poses little to no risk to the U.S.

Just days after being released from Guantanamo Bay, Cuba family members of one of the five detainees released by the United States told NBC news that the former Taliban commander, Mullah Norullah Nori, planned to return to the fight in Afghanistan. Nori is a former Taliban Provincial Governor and is said to be responsible for the Shia Muslim genocide in Western Afghanistan prior to 9/11. The attacks he ordered against his own countrymen resulted in the deaths of thousands of innocent civilians who were slaughtered for practicing a different form of Islam than the Taliban.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/09/th...#ixzz34FkkswiF

Originally Posted by Biggy (Post 20119526)

Obama pushed this thru to distract from the VA mess, that's what I firmly believe.

Originally Posted by JoshGirls Josh (Post 20119631)

so hold the phone...nori is a terrorist & a threat because before 911 he killed thousands of other AFGHANS during a civil war?

so based on vendillas logic...Vendzilla thinks william T sherman was a terrorist.

Vendzilla thinks george washington was a terrorist for killing all those americans during the whiskey rebellion.

see what happens when others twist your way of thinking onto you? you should be more mindful how you label others. especially when you have no clue why bergdhal walked off, & you have no clue what those gitmos actually did in the battlefield. You need to improve your distinction between what is a fact & what is a speculation when you vet your information.

:)

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20118735)

Lie #1: Bergdahl was very sick

Bergdahl’s health was not rapidly deteriorating, as the administration claimed. Reports have leaked that the only medical problems Bergdahl is suffering from are “gum and skin disorders” associated with poor hygiene.

The video of Sgt. Bergdahl’s handover to American forces that was released by the Taliban shows Sgt. Bergdahl looking relatively healthy. In the tape, he is seen walking into the company of U.S. special operations forces and then climbing into the aircraft without assistance. The video also shows him lucid and communicating with his captors. We know from previous reporting that he was able to write down the letters “SF” with a question mark on paper once inside the helicopter, as a way of asking his rescuers if they were special forces. This proved that his fine motor skills were intact, and that he was aware of his surroundings.

It has also been reported that one of the few exchange between Bergdahl’s rescuers and his captors was a question about his health. The Taliban said he was not sick. Finally, reports from Landsthul Regional Medical Center in Germany state that Sgt. Bergdahl has been in stable condition.

Lie #2: The Taliban threatened to kill Bergdahl

To further justify its decision not to inform Congress (in violation of the law), administration officials claimed that there was a threat to kill Bergdahl if details of the prisoner swap were released. But Democrat Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California, the chairwoman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, has stated that there is no credible information indicating that there was a threat to Berghdal’s life.

Lie #3: The administration informed Congress about the swap

Reports from Capitol Hill have informed us that the administration last discussed the possibility of a prisoner transfer with members of Congress several years ago. At that time, there was bipartisan and bicameral opposition to the idea. The law requires that the administration notify Congress 30 days prior to the release of any detainee from Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

The administration has admitted that it engaged in negotiations to secure the deal that set Bergdahl free for over a week prior to the swap. During that week, the administration never informed Congress — and only notified congressional leaders after the deal had been reached, after the detainees from Guantanamo were released, and after Berghdal was in American custody.

It appears that the administration chose to willfully violate the law by not informing Congress, as we now know that there was no credible threat to Bergdahl’s life, he wasn’t ill, and the administration was negotiating for over a week with his captors.

Lie #4: The U.S. didn’t negotiate with terrorists

The president’s national security adviser, Ambassador Susan Rice of Benghazi infamy, returned to the Sunday morning talk show circuit last weekend to defend the Obama administration’s decision to release the terrorists. When CNN’s Candy Crowley asked, “Point blank, did the U.S. negotiate with terrorists?” Ambassador Rice said no.

She claimed that by negotiating through the government of Qatar, the United States didn’t negotiate with terrorists. The problem is that the government of Qatar wasn’t holding Sgt. Bergdahl captive — the Haqqani Network was. The Obama administration officially designated the Haqqani Network a terrorist group in 2012.

Lie #5: Berghdal served with honor and distinction

On ABC’s “This Week,” Rice said that Bergdahl served with “honor and distinction.” By all accounts his service was not honorable, but was in fact distinct: Bergdahl has the distinction of being the only American soldier to desert his post in Afghanistan and walk into the arms of the enemy.

Statements about him being a traitor, however, are premature. There is not yet a clear indication as to why he deserted his post, or if he aided the enemy. Claims that he trained the Taliban in explosives are hard to believe, because as a private first class infantryman in the Army, Bergdahl would have had little to no explosives training other than basic familiarization, which every soldier receives.

But there is plenty of reason to be plenty suspicious. It’s been said that Bergdahl mailed home his personal items two weeks before he walked off his post — something completely abnormal in a combat zone. It has also been said that he left behind his weapon, body armor and helmet, only taking a compass with him. Additionally, reports in the press stated that Afghan villagers have said Bergdahl wandered around asking to meet with Taliban.

Only time will tell if these claims are true, but it is becoming pretty clear based on the testimony of his former platoon mates, and the Army’s preliminary investigation into the incident, that Bergdahl did in fact desert his post.

Lie #6: The release of the terrorists poses little to no risk to the U.S.

Just days after being released from Guantanamo Bay, Cuba family members of one of the five detainees released by the United States told NBC news that the former Taliban commander, Mullah Norullah Nori, planned to return to the fight in Afghanistan. Nori is a former Taliban Provincial Governor and is said to be responsible for the Shia Muslim genocide in Western Afghanistan prior to 9/11. The attacks he ordered against his own countrymen resulted in the deaths of thousands of innocent civilians who were slaughtered for practicing a different form of Islam than the Taliban.

Lie #7: The five terrorists released from Guantanamo Bay will be under U.S. monitoring

U.S. officials have publicly stated that the United States will be actively monitoring the released terrorists while they remain in Qatar for one year. The administration claimed that the terrorists would remain in Qatari custody for at least one year before being permitted to travel outside that country. Qatari government officials, however, said that the deal that was reached did not allow for U.S. monitoring of the detainees, and that they would be free to move about the country while they remained in Qatar.

The Qataris did say that they would be monitoring the detainees while they remained as guests in their country. This is not comforting, though, because Qatar has failed to do so at least twice in the past — despite guarantees made to the U.S. government.

In 1996, the United States believed that Qatari intelligence officials were monitoring the movements of Khalid Sheik Mohammad while he was in their country. He was able to evade their monitoring efforts and went on to mastermind the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks. Another terrorist the Qataris were supposed to be watching after his release from Guantanamo Bay Cuba, Jarallah al-Marri, also managed to leave Qatar and was arrested in London in 2009.

Lie #8: This was the “last, best chance” to bring Bergdahl home

I don’t know what crystal ball the administration was using to make this claim, but there is no indication that this is true.

To date, the Taliban have failed to engage in any meaningful peace talks with the U.S. or the government of Afghanistan. The Taliban have said that they will not negotiate as long as foreign troops remain in Afghanistan. With the U.S. and her coalition allies scheduled to leave Afghanistan at the end of this year, it is quite plausible that resolving the status of Bergdahl and the five terrorists that were just released from Guantanamo Bay could have helped secure a larger peace agreement. That is pure speculation, but is no more speculative than the administration’s claim that this was the last, best chance to secure Bergdahl’s release. What is their speculation based on?

Bergdahl was release May 31. In the days since, the administration has pushed the narrative that he was ill; his life was threatened; Congress was informed; this was not a negotiation with terrorists; he served with honor and distinction; the released Taliban leaders are not a threat; the Gitmo Five will be monitored by the U.S.; and this was the “last, best chance” to bring Bergdahl home. Every single one of these statements has been shown to be false — to be a lie.



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Originally Posted by timlover (Post 20119490)

Haha. Pretty much, but his has the big red sticker on the cover..

Originally Posted by ********** (Post 20119655)

Hey asshole I have some advice for you. You should stand clear of the endless bullshit put out by Fox and the other righties. You are insulting a POW and his family. You think you know everything but you don't know shit. You really need to learn to shut your fucking mouth, especially when the poor bastard isn't even home yet, and hasn't even had a chance to tell his side of the story. You are trashing the guy without knowing a fucking thing about what happened, just because OBAMA got him out. You really are a fucking racist. Stop being the fucking ass-clown that you are for once and give, at least him, a break, you fucking pathetic cunt. When any of this gets cleared up you are going to look like a serious pathetic loser - more than you already do.You real

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20120102)

Fuck him, he was declared a deserter by the army, he wasn't a POW, he was a hostage..

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20120102)

LOL, you think I'm a racist because of what? What the fuck is your reasoning to call me that?

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20120102)

Race creed or color, you seem to be putting me in a creed section, makes you a racist, dumb shit!

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20120102)

Fuck him, he was declared a deserter by the army

Originally Posted by ********** (Post 20120137)

WRONG AGAIN ASSHOLE

http://www.stripes.com/news/who-is-b...gdahl-1.286405

This is your fucking problem. You believe the spoon-fed pablum by your buddies at Fox, or Rush, or Alex. You don't bother to lift a finger to do any research. You just listen to whatever reenforces your own beliefs and then spew them back onto the Interwebs for others to gobble up.

So let's clarify: You are trashing a man who fought for your country and his family. A man you do not know, over a situation you know nothing about, before seeing the "proof of life" video, and before he has even had a chance to make a statement. You're bashing Obama trading terrorists for him, but say nothing about the fact that GW Bush did the same thing (and don't forget The Gipper's dance to this song too).

You: Incredible.

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20120369)

Because Vendzilla is on ignore I never saw his original BS....



The man has been kept in captivity for five years. He was locked up in a cage. It's a reasonable assumption that he was "very sick". He's also now mentally ill because of this.

Not sure about you, but he looked half dead during the pick up.



I'm pretty confident the Taliban has threatened to kill him multiple times in the past five years. Now as the war is ending and US troops are pulling out, it's reasonable to assume they had threatened to kill him.



Mccain is record months ago approving this months ago.



Are the Taliban considered terrorists? Not be the state department.

Is the Taliban planning on striking at the US locally? In NY or LA? No. The Taliban is really the former government of a country we invaded, but they really aren't terrorists.




He did. If he didn't, he wouldn't have been serving in a combat zone. Until the moment he dropped out of site, he served honorably.



Did they ever?

Seems these five all served in the Taliban government prior to the US invasion in 2001. One of them was a cabinet member, one of them was a governor, one of them was a policeman. None of them seems to have fought against the United States.

It's debatable that any of them pose a threat to the US.




The US will do it's best to monitor them like we have in the past. Seems we can monitor them pretty well being as we can tell exactly whom is doing what after they have left GITMO.



The US is pulling it's troops out of the area. If we do not secure his release now, it will be much more difficult to do so in the future. The time to act was now.

Originally Posted by deltav (Post 20120474)

Why do you guys waste your time arguing with this guy? Politics aside it's pretty well established - and I don't even mean this insultingly, it's just unfortunate fact - that he's not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Everyone knows this by now. And as my grandma used to say, "Ya can't fix stupid."

But maybe it's a win-win: he obviously loves the attention, everyone else gets to feel superior about not being dumb as a rock?

Originally Posted by candyflip (Post 20120546)

Just another reminder:

http://imgur.com/tunCG4R.jpg

Originally Posted by candyflip (Post 20120546)

Just another reminder:

http://imgur.com/tunCG4R.jpg

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20120455)

Has me on ignore but debates everything I say, fucking idiot!

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20120371)

Hey Cheese Dick, I have a question for you, you seem to have it out for me because I hate Obama and his politics.

You post all the time about how you hate the republicans and anyone that stands against Obama. Even bringing up YouTube videos that are 9 months old!

You're a Cheese Dick Canadian, why does this mean so much to you? You have no cards in the game!

Originally Posted by RobertL (Post 20120918)

You kept asking for someone to debate the points of your OP. Now that someone has, do you care to counterpoint what seem to be valid arguments?

Originally Posted by RobertL (Post 20120925)

I would argue that the actions of the US Government affect the entire world, Everyone has a card in the game of American politics. We aren't Latvia, or Honduras...We are 'the most powerful nation on earth', for better or worse, and anyone on this planet is better off being aware of what we do and don't do and having an opinion on it.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20120102)

Fuck him, he was declared a deserter by the army, he wasn't a POW, he was a hostage..

Originally Posted by WDF (Post 20121006)

Doesn't it need to be a declared war for there to be prisoners of war?

Just something I heard WW2 vets say regularly about the armed conflicts and the prisoners taken during those conflict that came after WW2.

I actually think that was part of the reason for the reclassification.

Originally Posted by WDF (Post 20121006)

Doesn't it need to be a declared war for there to be prisoners of war?

Just something I heard WW2 vets say regularly about the armed conflicts and the prisoners taken during those conflict that came after WW2.

I actually think that was part of the reason for the reclassification.

Originally Posted by TCLGirls (Post 20121054)

Vietnam was never actually declared a war...but the Pentagon officially used the term POW back then.

Originally Posted by deltav (Post 20121026)

Vietnam didn't have a formal declaration of war and we sure as hell called captured soldiers (including good ol' John McCain) POWs rather than "hostages".

Why does everyone feel the need (not referring to you, just in general) to constantly talk out their asses about shit they know nothing about?

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20120311)

When's the last time I linked to anything Fox, Rush or Alex? Cheese Dick

Your link simple says the Army didn't list him as a deserter.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/06/wo...says.html?_r=0

Said he wandered away from his post. They talk about the letter he left behind that was never taken into account.

You have such a rabit hate for anything I say against Obama because I don't like him that you label me a racist, are you that hateful? Fucking Cheese Dick Canadian

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20120371)

Hey Cheese Dick, I have a question for you, you seem to have it out for me because I hate Obama and his politics.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20120371)

You
post all the time about how you hate the republicans and anyone that stands against Obama.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20120371)

Even bringing up YouTube videos that are 9 months old!

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20120371)

You're a Cheese Dick Canadian,

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20120371)

why does this mean so much to you? You have no cards in the game!

Originally Posted by johnny o (Post 20121094)

ad hominem attacks are always a great strategy vend.

Originally Posted by RobertL (Post 20120918)

You kept asking for someone to debate the points of your OP. Now that someone has, do you care to counterpoint what seem to be valid arguments?

Originally Posted by RobertL (Post 20120925)

I would argue that the actions of the US Government affect the entire world, Everyone has a card in the game of American politics. We aren't Latvia, or Honduras...We are 'the most powerful nation on earth', for better or worse, and anyone on this planet is better off being aware of what we do and don't do and having an opinion on it.

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20120949)

Nah, it's just much easier if he calls someone a name.

He can't debate. He just cuts and pastes, then throws out some misleading facts, then tries to argue that we are reading stats wrong, then gives out some half truth and claims our government is spinning lies.

Originally Posted by ********** (Post 20121074)

Lol! You're pathetic. Read it again

Bergdahl is not classified as a deserter.

http://www.stripes.com/news/who-is-b...gdahl-1.286405

You said he was classified as a deserter, and you based your entire hate-filled rant on it. You were wrong. Again. Like you always are. On everything.