you'll always fail while trying to discuss with ruski. he will bring a ton of bullshit and non-sense in response

that's how rusia works: take it or leave it

You live in a state of denial.. It's well known that Russians are being rallied to join up and fight in Ukraine. Weapons and armor have crossed the boarder as well. They don't stop being Russian the second they cross the boarder. Of course you know this but you try to lie and hide from the truth.

Besides USA, no single western country has good match for Russian army if attack is required (as it's much more consuming). Even as combined it's not an easy task. And both sides have nukes. Maybe the WWIII is not the best idea.

Quick major lessons from this thread don't fly an plane into war zone period.

instead of showing some respect, CyberSEO is trying to become a spokes person for Russia and blind us with his propaganda, who is he to have a voice here anyways

His appearance here is hurting many, he is disrespectful.
A lot of Russians do the opposite, placing letters at the ambassador buildings world wide with the text " forgive us "

half of the world is a war zone, you would bankrupt the flight industry

As each side ( ukrainians ) are broke, each side are getting funding/support/weapons/mercenaries :

Ukrainian Rebels supported by Russia
Ukrainians revolutionaries by NATO/USA

nothing new here ... aren`t the USA supporting/arming the so-called syrian rebels ... If you go by the ''logic'' displayed here , we should called them the Quatar rebels , not the syrians :2 cents:

Still , our thoughts goes to the families of the victims.

Nobody is questioning whether or not NATO, the West, or the USA are helping out the Ukrainians in some fashion. The question is whether or not the Ukrainian rebels are supported by the Russians, which everyone seems to believe except Mr. CyberDenial.

Not defending Putin, but it's a great way of keeping Gaza off the front pages.

Daily Mail website currently has no fewer than 12 articles about the crash at the top of the homepage. Gaza is pushed well down the page.

When civilian airliners start launching missiles at foreign soil then and only then will this Gaza action get as much attention as a civilian jet carrying almost 300 civilians being shot down.

I did not see Malaysian Airlines launching rockets at Pro Russian Separatists or Russia. On the other hand Hamas in Gaza has prompted a military response. If you can not see the difference you might as well defend Putin.

what a brilliant comment :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I would expect that from someone that supports Putin and shooting down civilian airliners.

"pro-russian" separatist leaders are not ukraninian but have russian passports.

they did not live in the ukraine before this started

http://cdn2.spiegel.de/images/image-...eryV9-wikh.jpg

one claims to be the "prime minister" of Donez, the other leads the military operations of the separatists

did Putin send them there? not after what i read.

but the russian media supports them with their propaganda and russian media = 90% Putin

but it could be easy - Putin would just need to say that he doesn't support those terrorists and acknowledge that the Ukraine is allowed to control their own territory

I should come to hamburg and try to annex and rule the redlight district.

Mouhahaha i'm so evil

unless you're Russian or Albanian i'd be careful... :winkwink:

the times of the real pimps where problems were handled with fists and baseball bats are over

He just showed you how communication should be done between civilized people. He is asking legitimate questions and as far as I see, never insulted anyone of you while most of your posts (and that other guys, can't remember his name and I don't care) are full of bad words and language like kids living in ghetto.

Major lesson is: don't give guns and money to terrorists if you don't want children dead.

All true :thumbsup

Oh does someone need to call you a whambulance?

Bad words and language is your complaint on an Adult Webmaster board, really?

Seems like it is you who needs to grow the fuck up.

A very good point indeed.

Actually there are a lot of rebels in Russia, starting from Chechnya, but I think he referred to Russians on Ukraine's soil, fighting against Ukraine's central government.

He is keeping his mouth shut, he still has to conduct business with American clients....

Craziest shit is that many of you are convinced what happened and acting without excuse like it is absolute truth. No one of us know what happened (in this moment). New info every day. For all those who are able to try to think clear, try to get as much info from various resources.

Simple question, who would benefit from this ?
-Russian state? No, at any way.
- Local militia fighting against pro nazi? ... no way,
- Ukrainian army (not a real army but a bunch of mercenaries and nazis) that declared day before it they are retreating from positions...probably.

Still,it doesn't mean that they did it, maybe it was done by mistake. Remember when they downed Russian civil plane back in 2001, Ukrainians denied it until last moment when Russians showed evidence, and on that moment they accepted their guilt.

Ukraine is only one benefiting from this. People already forgot people burned alive, killed people over Russian border, or 20 killed civilians in next day (by artilery)...etc.

Wars are made on faked excuse and staged event (WMD in Iraq, Markale in Bosnia, Racak "massacre" in Kosovo...etc), so we should all be very careful judging this terrible event.

Now, if you want to understand, try to get as many info as possible from various sources. below is what ex colonel with huge war experience in this sphere, mr. Zoltán Dani said (he is Serbian citizen, Hungarian nationality, guy that downed F 117 an d F16. Read about his skills more here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zolt%C3%A1n_Dani ):


http://www.b92.net/news/pics/2014/07...65_640x462.jpg

Translation:

"It is impossible that the soldier who fired the rocket did not know it was a passenger civilian airliner. Civilian aircraft flying at altitudes of 10,000 feet, what was the Malaysian passenger plane, have far more reflective surfaces on the radar of the military," says Zoltan Days to Morning Journal.

He says that the opposite is possible only if the person who fired the rocket was completely ignorant.

"Even if he thought it was" flying fortress "plane B-2 or B-52, yet he could not make a mistake because you do not have aircraft with SR as a civilian," tell Danny.

The former Yugoslav Army colonel says that the soldier who fired the rocket, it is understood that it flies towards the civilian passenger plane, could destroy the missile before it hit the plane.

"Yes, he could activate the self-destruct code for the rocket and the tragedy would not have happened," says Denis.

Asked whether the pilot Malaysian aircraft could see the rocket, he said:

"I could see her, but he could not do. Civilian aircraft do not have the ability to" escape "missiles. Unfortunately, the pilot if he saw a rocket, a few seconds until the moment when the rocket hit it," says Zoltan Dani.

Another member of the PPP (Putin Propaganda Patrol) that is trying to deflect all Russian responsibility for this tragedy.

When will you learn that your fairy tale story that Russians and the Russian state having no responsibility has no merit here.

and Putin was like "pew pew pew, down goes de plane"

Post above was made for normal people ,with enough brain cells that would like to find truth in all this. No Putin,no patrol,no propaganda (except in your head)....just info that can help to make some opinion. Pasted above, helped me to change my opinion that whoever did it ,it was by mistake. (pro nazis or militia, we don't know).

As far as I am concerned, with so much military activity , watching and recording of all this, no one came and said it simple: rocket launched from ______ coordinates at _____ time, and that position was under control of _______ fot last ____ days. (plus recorded data as evidence)

If Russians don't do this, then they are trying to help separatists this way and if NATO don't do this, they are helping Ukrainians to blame other side. Simple as that.

Everything else we write here is just writing of personal opinions that means nothing in such serious situation except that some of you guys are clearly showing your stupidity and stupidity means readiness to accept what someone say without taking into consideration different views and info that first side never served to you.

No, you posted your opinion which was a complete deflection of the blame and read like all of the other pure propaganda.

You insult all of us by posting your propaganda and then insult us again when we refuse to believe it.

You sound like the official state news agency talking about Nazi's.

You use these words to spark outrage and it doesn't work. Does that upset you?

When considering your Pro Russian post history I understand why you spend your time deflecting away from Russia and posting as you do.

Maybe this type of stuff works where you live, but not here!

Try again comrade.

Do you think it is having an effect on your business yet?

Do you think it might in the near future?

I would consider those questions seriously before you make your next post.

Flight industry is booming right now, making enough cash. Flight's are really expensive now what they were few years ago if you noticed. :2 cents:

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/defau...%20fares_0.jpg

Consumer Price Index for All Urban Consumers: Airline fare

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2...CUSR0000SETG01

Your simplified way of thinking is always looking for someone to blame or to define black and white. I am not deflecting from anyone or anything.

If you consider something propaganda, that is your personal opinion. If you can't hand logic and questions that any normal person would ask in such situation,that is also your problem. And I do not care.

You have serious mental problems if you constructed all written in previous post based on simple translate of one text from expert in this field. Really crazy, but that is your right,of course.

Not sure about what agency you are talking about, but yes, they are pro nazis , and nazis , too. Use search option here for more details. It is up to you will you accept it or not, it doesn't change anything.

Paranoia is terrible mental condition. No one is sparking anything I am just repeating that they are nazis and mercenaries not capable of handling pro-russians (just did it ). Read it again, and understand how you want it doesn't matter to me.


Glad you are following what I am sometimes writing, maybe you will learn something. Unfortunately, I don't know who you are and what are you writing about. Maybe I would ,if it was something smart and I could remember, but I doubt it will happen once I read what you wrote on this page.

Where here and there? Why using ! at the end. I should ask you are you upset and you are, clearly. Screaming,insulting,etc... hey...one more thing, I don't care if you are or if you aren't. It is your personal problem.

Try what? Tell us, what do you see....

You really need to take medicine before posting because I am having problems to understand all that anger, aggression and suffering that is coming from you. Not sure about what business you are talking about and what are you asking,really. Calm down and try to control yourself. I will check what you wrote in the morning.

just 3 major flaws in your post:

- a "benefit" would imply it was intentional - which it seems it wasn't

- the plane was at 30,000 feet, not 10,000 feet

- whoever handled the BUK was not necessarily the most experienced and therefore probably not able to identify a civilian plane


but probably i am not normal and not thinking clear...

I don't know about these rebels or whatever they should be called, but usually that kind of weapons are not controlled by a single man, although single man usually does the decicion, whether private or general. Usually there are team of soldiers and more or less centralized command that distributes targets, info and fire orders. But rag tag rebels might form an exception

wel at least Propaganda idiot CyberSEO kept his mouth shut for more then 5 hours
{Probably he found out he needs to sell his shit cause no Russian buys it }

I know you understand everything posted and implied!

I am sure you know exactly what I am talking about when it comes to "your business".

Your words here, as well as mine, can have a significant effect on "your business". I am sure you are aware of that also.

I do not scream and there is nothing you can say or do to make me hurt let alone suffer.

Can the same be said about me making you scream and/or suffer, I think you know the real answer to that question.

Who here is going to do business, of any sort, with you when you spend more time spell checking your propaganda posts then your business sig?

Go ahead, poke the bear, don't cry when he eats you, you requested it.

LOL @ the Russians trying to distance themselves from the rebels like they aren't one and the same. The whole war is about the heavily ethnic Russian area in East Ukraine wanting to break off and join Russia, with Putin's approval and help.

They screwed up royally, they didn't intend to shoot down a civilian plane. Any attempt by Russia to claim that the Ukranians shot the plane down to frame Russia is laughable.

Just admit you fucked up and leave Ukraine alone to its own business.

All so tragic, I do a fair bit of Euro bashing on here and it's for a reason - the entire continent has a history of bloodshed that is based on centuries of tribal hatred that never gets forgotten, not much different than the Middle East. Ask these Yugoslav guys on here, they would love to go back to war to avenge whatever bullshit bothers them. It never ends.

just some bad apples - i have friends from Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia, Slovenia - they all get along fine.

there is nothing strange about that - just idiots that confuse feet and meters - because 10,000 meter = 30,000 feet

and commercial airplanes usually fly between 30,000 and 40,000 feet

10,000 feet would mean 3000 meter and i think we can all agree that a commercial airplane will not fly that low

also the airspace over east Ukraine was closed at this time up to 9700 meters

btw - it's pretty telling that the flight recorder disappeared - while only the separatists have access to that area...

They didn't plan it. The russkie terrorists thought they were shooting at a Ukrainian military plane.

not really

I have absolutely no idea what's going on here.

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