It's now 14.

Gaza is the 56th highest story, excluding the sidebar.

They have to pay for this.

Whoever did this knew it was the specific, commercial flight. You don't posses high-end military equipment, have the know-how to use it and get confused on the target.

Pro-russian rebels bragged about shooting down military transport plane just before the news about shooting down Malaysian jet. Then they quickly removed the posts (screenshots are still all over the net though).

we don't know that yet and as mentioned before, our opinions are useless in such serious situation. Personally I think it was done by mistake but that is just my opinion that can be changed after we are reading new info every day.

Genuine article is here: http://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.... av_id=878454

Colonel said in meters but google translate did bad job and translated into feet. Click above and find it by yourself. Anyway, google or not google mistake,you really thought that guy with such experience is mixing feet and meters? How prepotent from you.

BUK is more complicated system than one man portable launchers and requires more people to operate system. Everything we say about this is purely a speculation, nothing more and it reflects our personal opinion, except if someone from here operated this system and I would really love to hear his opinion in that case.


Did I say that for you? Or you made a conclusion on your own like you are doing for things above?Why you are putting words into my mouth? I've just showed you above how easily you can be wrong based on mistake made by third side, and until this moment you used that as main argument. Precisely because of this, we should not blame anyone for terrible incident until we get more details. Or you are all still on medieval level of justice so if someone say "she is the witch", you rush and put it on bonefire?

Sure they do, I have very good friends from Slovenia, Croatia...etc....but as long as there are people blaming other without clear evidences, problems will be there. One reason more why all sides should calm down before agression starts.

It is google translate mistake, colonel said in meters. Check link above,and you can easily find guy was talking about meters ,not feet.

One of the reasons why I believe they did it by mistake, but that is just my opinion.
Only legitimate way to blame someone for this is that what I wrote above.

US defense department should precisely state: when, (time),where from(coordinates) with what (type of rocket) and who controlled that region in the moment of incident.

Russian army must do precisely the same. After that we can see is there a difference and if there it is, why is there and debate further.

Why both relevant sides don't give such info? They do have technology and they all monitor region all the time. Something sucks there.

Useless post because it was based on wrong info.

no, I don't because I do not have enough experience with paranoid people, so I am calling you to explain precisely what you are trying to say here.

No,I don't know what you are talking about , it sounds like some kind of threat, but usually I do not have habit to seriously take people acting like you , especially over internet , it sounds very childish.( so again ,you are free to give your explanation ,in public)

You just did it again,in first sentence. Try to control all that rage, you will feel better.


I really can only laugh on this statement. I am guessing that you are coming from some repressive environment where people live this way. If so,I am sorry for you, but most of the time I work alone and people that I am getting in contact here are professional and serious (though nothing in my online business model depends on them or their decisions). If someone's personal opinion on some subject is something that you use ti decide will you work with him or not, I would like to know , how old are you? :(

i would respectfully disagree given the USA accidently shot down an iranian civilian aircraft in the late 80s.

not to mention the ample examples in history of friendly fire deaths in battle. you would think a trained soldier can tell between a friendly & an enemy aircraft/humvee/soldier but its not so easy in a conflict.

assuming it was an accident (since its not happening everyday) then it was incompetence more than intelligent design.

just IMO. :2 cents:

Yes, that is what we are told.

Can we trust the people that are telling us this?

Have they ever lied to us before?

new info/facts are still out there ...

where're all the lying ruski bitches from this thread?
ruskiSeo, evy?

i can't believe that ruski relying on orthodox and traditional values can be so lying. oh wait... rusia has always declared one things, but behaving like a thug and faggot.

I guess guys you are right, it could had been a mistake, it's so mind blowing that anyone would murder 300 innocent souls.

it was a mistake made by Donieck guys with BUK systems....

the only way someone could do it on purpose would be Kiev government to use it as a false flag operation as propaganda gift for their cause...But I dont believe it...

Sadly, if you want to save xx,xxx $ on gasoline for jet, and you fly where is the warzone and rebels and gov with BUKs, that is how the things may look like....

incompetence that coincidentally keeps happening.

it's really too bad we can't question this properly without being labelled as 'communist' or 'comrades'..

but i suppose civilizations fall is only one opportunity away

could be a lot of things, one thing is for sure tho, it continues to happen.

it would be simple, just hand them to the dutch or osce people right there...

but no...

well, they can hand it to ICAO like they have said

but, apparently ICAO believes:

which is odd.. acting government has declared it a demilitarized zone, rebels have stated they will only cooperate with ICAO

yet..

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...0PV0D520140720

OSCE (and similar organizations )lied in Kosovo and staged results of massacres.. I 've posted German video about it here, several times and I will do it again.I hope you know german language.




Head of OSCE operations there of was experienced CIA Agent William Walker that lied with support of medias that triggered war:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Walker_(diplomat)

For his services, he was awarded as honorary citizen of republic of Albania (where from Albanian army backed and helped with NATO tried invasion).

After knowing this and many other similar things, would you let them judge you?

this should be considered as an act of propaganda

CIA kills Korenians in 1983
http://vsenichego.ru/wp-content/uplo...87-8434309.jpg

and CIA kilss Malaysinas in 2014
http://www.e-news.su/uploads/posts/2...original-6.jpg

but it is not problem for "golden billion", right?:Oh crap
Democraty Uber Alles:Oh crap

now isn't that interesting

all flight data has been updated

case 1: still a soviet missile that shot down the plane

case 2: typical misleading, look at the flight routes for the last 2 weeks before the incident - both routes were used several times

This is how soviet/russian propaganda spins everything: deny, deny, deny.

Kiev Censors MH17 Air Traffic Control Recordings



He makes some valid points..

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-28360784

:Oh crap

And that's how eastern media works, right? Blame or make up theories against before investigation complete.

Sadly this news will shortly diffuse and the world will be eyeballing the next issue the media will throw at them.

Just one after the other and we don't remember

Both black boxes and air traffic controller data are on their way to UK for analysis.

Malaysia airlines now avoids Ukrainian airspace but fly over Syria .. not bright at all

True bro!

Moment of MH17 Malaysia Airlines plane crash in Ukrainian sky