His predecessor stated the same in 2001 when the Ukrainian army shot down the Israeli-Russian civilian plane (perhaps you forgot it). There was even no war there. They did it during the military exercises. What a nice country, isn't it?

Once again. The plane was 100% hit from the Ukrainian territory and the full responsibility now lays on the official Ukrainian government. Because it doesn't really matter who did it - the Ukrainian army or the Ukrainian separatists. Both sides are crazy and uncontrollable barbarians. Why the hell Ukrainian government has allowed civilian flights over the war zone??? There is a fuckin' war! Both sides has Buk SAM's etc. Why the civilian flights are allowed?

Think about that.

It's really too early to be pointing fingers. We have the Ukrainian military, the rebels, and the Russians all in the area, tensions are high, and ALL of them are most likely using the same exact weapons.

If it was a BUK missile, both Russia and Ukraine uses them.

Get the brain already, pigshit.

That's all speculation at this point. It could of crashed on it's own, but given it was in the airspace where the conflict is going on, there is a pretty good chance it could of been shot down. Only time will tell.

Are you serious? Here is how the weapon came to them: http://rusvesna.su/news/1404041521 (the mofos took it directly from the Ukrainian army) - use the Google Translate already. Switch on your brain and stop making all these stupid comments.

An adviser to the Ukraine interior minister says the plane was shot down and we're going with that source full bore? I don't think so.

So they were flying in space?

https://twitter.com/MatevzNovak

looks like it broke up in the air?

You are very wrong. We do not know where the missile came from; In fact, we aren't even sure if the plane was shot down.

Even if it was shot down AND the missile was shot from Ukrainian territory, that still doesn't tell us who launched the missile. It could be the Ukrainian military, it could be rebels, and it could be Russia who snuck a launcher into Ukrainian territory.

So we do not know ANYTHING 100%. In fact, all we know at this point is that a plane went down - nothing else.

He meant feet of course. That because you guys have to use the metric system as the other civilized World does :)

Sorry, I meant to say 22k feet.

And the info on the BUK missile system might be far off. ABC News just said the BUK missile was designed to hit US spy planes that fly at 90k feet.

What do miles or feet have to do with the metric system?
He said 'miles' and he meant 'feet'... neither of those are metric.

Russian terrorists/separatists claimed they shot it down. They thought it was Ukrainian combat airplane. So how is that an excuse for Putler? It would be an excuse for world to take more sanctions against Putler.

In the news here, it is said the plane was shot down by RUSSIAN separatists using a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buk_missile_system

All what we know is: if it was really hit by BUK, it couldn't be hit from the Russian territory because BUK can not be used from such a long range.

The investigation will tell. However only Ukrainian army and Ukrainian separatists have BUK's in that area. So it's 50/50.

Wrong. The Ukrainian separatists took BUK's directly from the Ukrainian army and there is a proof.

So true.

Hint: because the sources say it was hit at 10000 meters which is about 33K feet ;)

Strelkov (terrorist/separatist) claimed that himself via social media. He thought it was Ukrainian airplane though. They shot down 2 Ukrainian airplanes (An26, Su25) before this one.

franck was going to a double anal covention. Hope he is ok

According to Ukrainian investigations the name of the missile operator is Boris and he likes spaghetti

Sorry but there are no Russian separatists. There are Ukrainian separatists - the citizens of Ukraine that want to separate.

Franck does not live in the Netherlands at the moment.

some bad photo and news ... if real ...

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:Oh crap ... r.i.p.

Whom are supported and backed by Russia.

Not by Russia (maybe by some financial corporation powers here or there..) but not by Russia as a country. I'm a part of Russia and I have never supported these motherfuckers. Don't be an idiot and stop posting shit.

thread is tragic but that post is :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

I am an American and I could give you a list miles long of American actions that I do not support.

Don't be an idiot and stop posting shit.

No, you are wrong again. Some of these BUK missiles have a range of 50 km. Thus, it could be 25 km inside of Russia and hit a plane 25 km inside of Ukraine. If you want to technical about it, Russia could have shot down the plane 50 km inside of Ukraine.

Also, we don't know exactly where the plane was shot down. It was shot down "near the Russian border" which is a bit vague. Maybe it was 40 km from the Russian border, shot down by Russian forces inside of Russia....

I had originally said "it could be Russia who snuck a launcher into Ukrainian territory." is not wrong at all. Great, we have proof Rebels (separatists, whatever) have the BUK missiles but that surely doesn't mean Russian didn't take down this plane.

Are you serious? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh Putler himself is supporting the idea of taking Ukrainian lands.

Well said. He personally does not support that and he thinks that equals that Russian government does not support that :1orglaugh

We could discuss about BUK's range almost endless. But now just turn on the simple logic and tell me why Russia would hit the civilian plane, which is going to enter its own airspace? Any ideas?

They are supported by Russia, period. Russia is giving them arms, training, and even manpower. It was Russian troops that took over the navy base in Crimea. Last month Russia sent armored cars into Ukraine - the US tracked them for hundreds of miles all through Russia and across the border into Ukraine, where they were promptly destroyed.

I see your angle now... You are Russian and you have the belief that Russia isn't involved. I see three different groups in the region who all have the same exact weapons.

You're right. Silly me.

Just because it's a major incident near a common border with Russia and the Ukraine, both of which have been almost at each other's throat for the last year, with Russia taking back part of the Ukraine and Putin putting large numbers of troops and tanks at the border at various times, while meanwhile jailing domestic political opponents, while at the same time facing harsh criticism even from his supporters at home for being too "soft" on the Ukraine situation....

Obviously there is absolutely no chance at all that this situation would spill over into Russia at all.

Sorry that I jumped to such a wild suggestion with no basis whatsoever.




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It was shot down 43Km from russian border

This is why I never told something that America does this or that (course if the US army is not directly involved). The US government - yes, but not the United States as a country. I do not generalize.

So you please stop posting shit.

Any quotes? Pleeeeeeeease :)

You must be kidding me... Who the fuck would come out and say that? :1orglaugh It is politics and it would hurt him to say that. I mean, you are either dumb or naive.

See the actions (Rochard posted few), not the words.

Nope. These are mercenaries. I.e. it's not a regular army. Perhaps that will be a secret for you, There are a lot of foreign mercenaries on the both sides of conflict (they came from all around the Globe: Poland, Italy, Estonia, the United States etc).

Check this out: http://rsb-group.ru/

Sure, lots of them. It's not like they haven't shot down a passenger airliner and killed hundreds of people before huh?

At this point we don't even know if it was a missile. It might have been a plane.

Why would Russia to do it? Maybe it was a mistake, maybe they they thought it was a military flight attacking Russia, maybe they wanted to create an incident? I'm not a conspiracy nut, but it's surely possible Russia was involved.

I understand you are trying to defend your country there, but you aren't being realistic with your argument.

I personally do not believe Russia was involved. Russia is clearly not concerned about Ukraine invading Russia, and I doubt Russia would be taking changes launching missiles from inside of Russia knowing damn well the US would see it.

If you know what the world leaders really think and do, I'm really wonder why you still alive then...

BUK reaches beyond 70,000 feet