WTF, seriously. How and who would take Crimea if Putler was not for that? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh You are just unbelievable :1orglaugh

So terrorists stealing weapons systems and using them to shoot down civilian planes are exempt from fault?

What's next, USA is to blame that their own Boeing planes rammed WTC towers?


Fucking dumbass retard.

Please don't be that stupid. It was a civilian plane which was going to cross Russian border. So it was traced and lead by Russian air traffic controllers. It's 21th century (in case if you forgot that) ;)

Interesting tweet. He works at the Borispol Air Traffic Control.
https://twitter.com/spainbuca/status/489813837013848065

plane was being escorted by 2 ukrainian fighters till minutes before disappearing from radar

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2014/07/229270.htm

I thought it was a common knowledge that sepratatists are supported by Russia. Seems its "news" to cyberseo :thumbsup:1orglaugh

Crimea is another thing. It was annexed openly because it's a strategic zone for Russian Navi. But what's about the Ukraine? Why Putin may need it? Any reason?

P.S. Sometimes I'm starting to think that you are just an infantile kid.

They have claimed so in June: http://politikus.ru/events/23008-cpe...voysk-pvo.html

More stupid questions?

Putin wants the chocolate factory

I wonder what they'll do to Putin and Russia when they find out that the BUK system supplied by Russia shot down the plane.

Ahhh, if the U.S. Department of State says so... :1orglaugh:

Oops, went live too early.

I actually believe that mineistaken does think so. At least it should be a typical thought for his ages...

People will think that's a quality product and want to buy some too

Ukraine government just released a statement blaming Russia and saying they will release proof of Russia supplying the weapons to the terrorists

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roshen

:winkwink:

Seems there is a lot of photos, videos and so forth here....

http://nikitskij.livejournal.com/419...7477#t62697477



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So and where is Russia when? :upsidedow

Dude seriously... You are retarded.

It was a civilian airplane that was most likely shot down. The fact that Russian air traffic controllers was tracking has nothing to do with anything - it wasn't Russian air traffic controllers who shot it down. The Russian military doesn't call up Russian air traffic controllers to get permission to shoot down a plane.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

omg this is too funny
supplying the weapons to the terrorists
You mean in lybia, in syria, where where ?

i have heard this from a person nearby.. but, 'shot down by jet plane' was included

I believe mineistaken knows it without wikipedia.

So you confirm that terrorists stole mobile SAMs a few days before planes started getting shot down.

What's your point?

O'rly? You are an idiot if you think so. Sorry, but one of my best friend is pilot and I know how the system works here from the first hands.

Interesting...

It would be unlikely Ukrainian military aircraft would shoot down a plane they were escorting, unless it was an accident or unless they intentionally wanted to create an incident. At the same time you can wonder if rebel or Russian forces were shooting at Ukrainian military jets?

or, with history of these guys being bombed and shooting at fighter jets.. why were they escorting, over that area, knowing those systems were in place.

fubar.

I can't confirm anything. I just can point to their own statement where they say that Ukrainian army has left the base without any fight. So?

Do you need some special attention again?

I C U!!!!

from Guardian live blog

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...s-ukraine-live

US government is doing things like this and you are looking from that perspective. Why would Putin need Malasyan people as excuse if Ukrainians already killed Russians on Russian soil (few days ago).

Both sides will blame other side of course. Maybe someone who know more about air defense systems can make a conclusion what was used on that height? What army have such weapons?

Really sorry for ordinary people that minded their own business. At the end, what idiot sent airplane above war zone? Was Ukrainian flight control responsible since it happened in Ukrainian airspace?

Reposting this since the thread is moving so fast that you may have missed it...

Seems there is a lot of photos, videos and so forth here....

http://nikitskij.livejournal.com/419...7477#t62697477



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Nobody is going to own this so good luck finding out who did it. Deiz is posting stuff posted on social media before the plane was shot down that I assume he thinks is evidence that Russia is behind it but I can't read Russian.

especially after so many planes being taken down?

shady as fuck.

gruesome as fuck. don't click basically

https://twitter.com/MatevzNovak

Nobody knows that for sure yet. There is a lot of SAM's that can do it. However in that region the only SAM's that can do it are BUK's. Both sides of conflict (the Ukrainian army and the Ukrainian separatists) have it. The another possible way to shot down a plane flying at 10K meters is a jet fighter. Only the Ukrainian army has them there. So this is why we are talking about BUK's only (there are no C300 or C400 systems).

Certainly I take it from all the evil crap that the US government has done, but you should know as well as I do that all governments are capable of this kind of thing.

The reason why I think that this would work better as an excuse to invade Ukraine is that it would look like it was done in the interests of international security, and therefore play better internationally. Putin needs to answer the hard nationalists in Russia by looking as strong as possible, while at the same not incurring the economic wrath of the West... Which Russia cannot afford.





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actually, I did, started commenting before I saw all pages of this thread.

And?

I don't understand what your point is here.

The Ukrainian military, the rebels, and the Russians ALL have missiles that can take out planes twice as high as commercial airlines typically fly. On top of this, both Ukraine and Russia have fighter jets.

A plane was shot down three days ago over Ukraine, and I don't believe it was the first time. Just doesn't seem to be too smart to be flying civilian planes in that area.

I disagree.... You know the US is watching that entire area carefully - last month the US tracked armored vehicles moving across Russia all the way into the hands of the rebels.

When Russia shot down the Korean airplane, the US had a recording of the fighter jet getting permission to shoot the plane down.

I think we'll know exactly what happened and we'll know soon.

Even the Ukrainian government doesn't blame Russia for that. They blame the Ukrainian separatists only. Once again: use a simple logic and don't be that stupid :2 cents:

Yes,I agree all governments are capable for this or similar kind of shit (depending on their technical abilities ).

I think he do not need excuse. No one will stop him and whatever he do will be (good or bad,right or wrong) defined as terrible (on western side) while other part of world will support or at least watch other way. So personally,I think that this was classic mistake. Terrible one, but someone mixed that flight with something else.

People died, sides will blame each other and what sounds logical to me is that Russians are watching everything what is going on there and they should precisely know where and when something was launched. Technology is there, it is near border and it is war.