That it was being escorted by fighter jets just puts a big 'ole target sign on it to me.

"The plane B 777 flight escorted by 2 ukraine fighters until minutes before disappear from the radar"

Edit 3: Source: "If the authorities of Kiev want to tell the truth, it is collected that 2 fighters flew very close minutes before, but it was not shot down by a figther"

EDIT 4: Source: "Just after the aircraft B 777 Malaysia Airlines dissapeared, Kiev military authority informed us of the downing, how did they know?" and "After 7 minutes the downing was notified, later our tower was taken with foreign staff who are still here" source

Shooting down plane at 30000 feet would require radar guided missiles. Rebels don't have such things.

Russia did not shot the Korean plane. You are confused everything already. Tremble yourself and start using your brain. That plane was hit by Soviet Union (not Russia) and that was done absolutely intentionally, because it (the plane) has violated the Soviet airspace and refused to obey the commands of Soviet Air Forces. Wouldn't your military do the same? Once again, it was not a mistake. Ah, what I'm trying to talk with you about... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

CS whos that guys? i mean obviously some africans but what country?
just curious.

irak 8 char (isis)

somalia would be my guess

Somalia :)

Google says it's Somalia, which is the same as the modern Ukraine to me. The territory where one barbarians bashing others. I really don't understand why civilian flights are not forbidden over that mess...

no i was wrong, somalia:
http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/1.599021

very probable it's ISIS/ISIL or whatever, gotta remember it started as a mercenary thing.. libya etc

They still haven't found that Malaysian missing airplane.

I am using the most simple logic possible. It's very simple - The Ukrainian military, the Russian military, and the rebel forces ALL have the same missile. The missile suspected as being used here have a range of 50 KM, so it's possible that missiles could have been launched from Russia. It's painfully obvious that Russia has them and has them in the area; It's not a secret.

You are the one who isn't being logical.

This is not a logic. The simple logic must be used to answer on a simple question: why Russia would need to hit that plane?

The rest of the world sees little difference between the Soviet Union and Russia when it comes to military issues. The military of the Soviet Union took orders from Moscow, while the Russian military also takes orders from Moscow.

Rochard, man, we are talking about BUKs only because they are used by both Ukrainian army and Ukrainian separatists. If Russia wanted to hit it, it would use some better long range and more reliable SAM's like C300 or C400. Think about it.

This "rest of the world" is very stupid then. It's like to compare the modern West Germany with the Nazi one. Stupid people are everywhere. That's not a secret :2 cents:

This brings up an interesting point....

It's entirely possible that the rebels do have BUK missile launchers. They've taken over a area and what ever weapons they found in that area they might have control of now.

However, the BUK missile system is not that is simple to use. It's not "drive the truck (tank) to a location and push a button". There is tracking systems, command and control, fueling... It takes some training. It's possible that some of the Rebels are from the Ukrainian military, and might just have such training, but I find it highly unlikely that rebels were able to pull this off.

And if that is the case.... Then it means the Russian or the Ukrainians did this.

On that altitude ,plane of that size is probably not destroyed completely when it was hit, right? Which means many of those people were alive some for some time after it was hit?Any thoughts on this? sounds like hell.

oh jeez; well at least we know who the Russian government consults with


Did you stay at a Holiday Inn Express also?

Reports are coming in on who was on the plane http://news.yahoo.com/maylasian-plan...153426322.html

80 kids were on board

russians are fucking animals

:321GFY

https://twitter.com/spainbuca/status/489835522849009664

"All recorded on radar, for unbelievers, shot down by Kiev, here we know it & military air traffic control knows it too"

https://twitter.com/spainbuca/status/489841055001751552

"Days ago I said it here, military from Kiev wanted a uprinsing against Poroshenko, this can be a way, ordered by Tymoshenko"

:helpme

Your argument is completely invalid - Ukraine has the same exact missiles C300 and C400, so if it was the Ukrainians who did this why didn't they use better long range and more reliable SAM's like C300 or C400?

The truth is three groups in the area that could have shot them down, but you seem to think that Russia "could not possibility" be involved. Yet it seems painfully obvious that Russia is completely involved in multiple ways.

We don't know Russians are involved yet...

collateral damages are... unwanted...

who the fuck flies over a war zone? why not route the plane around to avoid this war area? crazy...

Doesn't seem too bright being as a plane was shot down just Monday....

Engine trouble,nothing to see here.
The plane was at 16000m (10,6km),you need some heavy shit to shoot AND hit that thing

ABC news live feed online is saying "shot down by Russian missile".

http://content.screencast.com/users/...07-17_1214.png

Not in that area.

Not Russian, but Soviet. BUK is a Soviet weapon which is being used by Russia, Ukraine (both regular army and separatists) and other countries.

You are being ridiculous. You have no idea what missiles Ukraine has in that area. Or Russia for that matter.

It says Russian. It doesn't say Soviet.

i think it's in fact a missile from an ancient stockpile of the russian empire of nicolai 2

Negro, please.

Why would Ukrainians shoot at a passenger plane? Especially when they've never used AA weapons before. They didn't even shoot back at Russians in Krimea.

Drunk russian terrorists who mistook it for a Ukrainian cargo plane and shot it down sounds more plausible. Just hours before this happened they had been bragging that they shot down an Ukrainian AF plane with a BUK AA missile.

This is a prime question and it must be directed to the Ukrainian government :2 cents:

Its says bullshit and you just ate it. That says a lot.

Really, WHY, ah?

Now some conspiracy theories (use Google translate): http://top.rbc.ru/politics/17/07/2014/937293.shtml

:2 cents: