Ukrainian intelligence released intercepted terrorist communications where they discuss that they shot down a civilian plane, mistaking it for a war plane


http://top.rbc.ru/politics/17/07/2014/937298.shtml#xtor=AL-[internal_traffic]--[rbc.ru]-[main_body]-[main_item]-[title


:2 cents:

yes, that is clear.

now to answer the question on why it had two fighter jets with it.. and how many commercial airlines get escorted, and rerouted directly over a city that shoots down planes.

https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=20161955&postcount=176

http://s001.radikal.ru/i194/1407/32/27e0bcee02cc.gif

Interfax reported Interior Ministry adviser Anton Gerashenko said 23 of those are Americans. :(

Have you ever watched a TV program called "Bait Car"?

where do you take this from?

i watch that on TV now and this was nowhere mentioned yet (opposed to all the other stuff that was posted here)

http://i.imgur.com/33tp6sI.jpg

or http://i.imgur.com/33tp6sI.jpg

There is no real proof that confirms fighter planes escorting it.

twitter account of some dumbass is not a credible source.

What difference does it make if there were 23 americans? Close to 300 people lost their lives today nationality should not make a difference.

Doesn't seem to be any credible reports of jet fighter escorts.

guess that means your source isn't credible either

oh well that makes all the difference.

Seriously, why the FUCK were they flying over a warzone? Sheer lunacy, I thought it would be standard to divert the flights.

eye witnesses from area, air traffic controller etc

just wait

it appears the flight was diverted directly over this city..

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/17/wo...html?hpt=hp_t1

eye witness saw a fighter plane at 10000m ?

who was it, hawkeye?

seriously

Seriously, ignore _Richard_ , he believes everything he reads on the Internet and posts cryptic nonsense that he thinks makes him look smart, like he's been monitoring the situation from his command center in his basement.

good point. oh well, back to your credible russian newspaper story

you seem to be doing a good job ignoring me.. why aren't you in the other war thread?

Has anyone tried this?

https://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home

So, here we go:

Which could have been done for any of a number of reasons... We can start with weather and then quickly move onto perhaps it was a more favorable jet stream.

Questioning why the fight was routed a certain way is like asking your mother why she took the long route to the grocery store last week.

Exactly.. the whole thing is fucked up on so many levels.. :(

this is a conspiracy !!!!!!!!

Exactly. Their citizenship doesn't matter. The people have died. Many people, including the kids. And not just died. They were killed by Ukrainian separatists (rebels/terrorists whatever) because the Ukrainian government has not blocked the airspace above the war zone where their monkeys kill each other.

I just wanted to be the first to congratulate the Pro Russian separatist for winning the war for Ukraine.

Russia will now have to bow out. They have two choices.. Let the conflict die and bow down to the West or attempt to deny there was ever a plane shot down and face real sanctions which will actually hurt as well as Western intervention into the war zone. Even Putin is smart enough to understand his support of the Rebels will now have to "really" end.

They are Russian separatists.

They speak Russian, they wave Russian flags. They want nothing to do with Ukraine. They want Russia to take them in. They claim to be ethnic Russians living on territories occupied by Ukraine.

Nope. These are not Russian separatists. These are Ukrainian citizens that want to separate from Ukraine. That's why they are Ukrainian separatists. Not Russian, not Chinese and not Italian ones. They are Ukrainians.

90% of Ukrainians speak Russian because they are native Russians. Even the new Ukrainian president and the prime minister speak Russian natively. Does it make them "Russian" separatists too? Where is your logic?

People in Kiev and Lviv wave EU flags, but it doesn't make them EU members.

Because they are separatists, no? :)

No, they aren't. Seems you know shit about the situation there. Some groups want to join Russia. Others want to make their own independent Novorossia. Cossacks want to make their own country etc...

FYI about 90% (or so) of Ukrainian citizens are ethnic Russians (Kiev is an old capital of Russia if you didn't know that). Ukraine can not occupy anything, Ukraine is an old Russian word which means outskirts (outskirts of the former Russian Empire). So it's an independent (yeah, almost) country only since 1991. Before that it was a western territory of Russia - "okraina" (outskirts).

Educate yourself and don't post bullshit anymore, please.

man, not too long ago you explained me that there are no Ukrainian people and now suddenly they all are Ukrainian people...

if this wasn't so sad i'd laugh my ass off

great example.

took no time at all.. apparently the guys who have been shooting military transportation and fighter jets down, have now shot a commercial jet down.

That's not what their sympathizers were saying on here.

(I think they got banned, but they kept insisting that they were Russian)

Instead of acknowledging that he could be wrong on an issue, he just picks up the next issue and runs with it as hard as the one that he was just wrong about.

Very interesting character. Can't tell if real or not.

Is this post directed to me? Didn't you read that I wrote above? There is no Ukrainian nation - they all are Russians (yeah, there are Poles, Jews, Moldovans and others of course). On the other hand, there is the Ukraine as a country. And those (including the separatists) are the Ukrainian citizens. It maybe too much beer for you today or what... I thought that's very easy to understand. See, if you became a Czech citizen (or will became someday) you won't change your nationality. You still be a German. The citizenship won't change your ethnicity.

I told it all the time and I never changed my opinion. Do you know how Ukrainians were called during the Russian Empire times? They were called MaloRUSSIANS. Like BeloRUSSIANS, for example. That means they all are Russians that lived on different territories - you know, out country is big enough ;)

That's why we should merge turkey and turkmenistan !

TURKEYmenistan? WTF is that? :helpme

P.S. You can merge Turkey and Azerbaijan BTW :winkwink:

As about the Ukraine, look at the historical map:

http://cs312131.vk.me/v312131375/6003/MsawGLyEtrw.jpg

As you can see, it's almost a whole territory of Russian Empire + something that Stalin took from Poland, Moldova and Romania... Before 1654 is was a small piece of land which was suffered from Turks. So they asked Russian Tzar for a shelter and became a part of Russian Empire.

How convenient.....

http://chemtrailsplanet.files.wordpr...copy.png?w=432

Because, according to Ukranian official, there is a recorded phonecall 20 minutes after crash, between russian seperatist and Russian Army intelegence service general, about the "mistake".

.. and it would have never existed had the '' west '' not stirred shit by supplying money, mercenaries and CIA ops :2 cents:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oghuz_Turks

lol :winkwink:

Now it looks like the pro Russian separatists are in control of the wreckage. They are apparently not allowing crash investigators into the crash site to collect Intel as to exactly what kind of missile hit the plane and they are going to send the black box to Moscow.

Make of that what you will...



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It's really not a mystery.. The pro Russians claimed they shot it down, when they thought it was a military transport plane. Soon as it was found out to be civilian, they started removing their social media posts and trying to cover their tracks. The pro Russians hold the smoking gun and Moscow gave them the gun.

It's really pretty cut & dry.

:2 cents::thumbsup

The efforts by the PPP (Putin Propaganda Patrol) have been vigorous but the facts at hand do seem to say just that.

I've got about 25,000 Malaysian Airways miles. I'm open to trades.

interesting info http://mobile.extremetech.com/electr...did-they-do-it

so after 5 pages of expert gfy investigation it is indeed seems like rebels nailed the plane

that youtube video of their radio exchange, even though it was posted by ukrainian officials, sounds legit enough... they fired something, thought they hit a transport plane, but it turned out to be a passenger jet...

the other thing is that Carlos guy claiming on twitter they were tracking one or two unkrainian fighters escorting the jet minutes before it went off the radars... what the fuck they were doing there? were they responsible for it changing course and flying directly over the "hot" area?...

still a lot of uncertain details

lets continue our investigation fellow gfyers

It would be stupid to deny that separatists have military advisers in Russia and they are supported by private corporate armies (e.g.: http://rsb-group.ru/) On the other hand, it's not a secret that the official Ukrainian government has military advisers in the States (up to the head of CIA) and there are Greystone mercenaries on the Ukraine.

So, if the plane was hit by the Ukrainian army, would you blame the USA for that? If not, why do you blame Russia for something done by the Ukrainian separatists? Answer to this question please.

Is there anybody else who can answer to my question?

I was always feel irritated when somebody call these bastards pro-Russian (theofficial Russian TV loves to use that term as well). WTF they are pro-Russian? They are pro-their own. There are so many groups that want to separate from the Ukraine and every group has its own goals. I'm sure that if they will really separate from the Ukraine, they will not join Russia but will start bashing each other in the same manner, because every single commander there wanna have his own country and army. It's very similar to all those African conflicts :2 cents: