300 tragedies, RIP.............. World Politics SUCK !!!!

No I don't understand that bullshit. AK47 is an obsolete weapon which is not produced in USSR (so in Russia) since 1959. Perhaps China or maybe Italy still produce it but not Russia for sure.

Russia Today Correspondent Resigns Over Coverage Of Ukrainian Plane Crash

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/...-ukranian?bffb

That's was very stupid and unprofessional. A person with a brain would wait for the official investigation results. Some women are real hysterical bitches while thy have their periods :2 cents:

Ok, I was too lazy to do this before, but here you go...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalashnikov_Concern

If you want to say this place doesn't exist, then I wouldn't be able to convince you that you have a nose on your face.

shocking
https://twitter.com/flightradar24/st...43415002001408

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsxF_J_CcAAycNi.png

and shocking lies

FINNair

https://twitter.com/Finnair/status/489831084079996928

https://twitter.com/flightradar24/st...21625803575296

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsxQy1AIcAAQIqY.png

FINNair's response

https://twitter.com/Finnair/status/490091075491889152

Meanwhile in Ukraine business as usual. One day after plane crush, city of Luhansk is still being shelled by Ukr army. 20ppl died. Horrible pictures and video. What a sick world

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bs1j90vIYAAmrgk.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m55zrW8cijQ

It's not actually obsolete and there are lot of variants from it. I don't know about this Russia thing and I am not going to start fighting about it, but I bet that Russia has plenty of AKs in storage. "New" gun can mean just a gun pulled from storage grease (never used).

Ah, you just discovered Wikipedia? Congrats on that :thumbsup

Jere is a quote from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47: Produced 1949?1959

P.S. Shit happens :winkwink:

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I think it's time to ban all russian retards from this board. Nothing but shit posts.

Yep, but those are mostly AK-74M. Now Russia produces only the modern series of AK: AK-103 and AK-12 + assault riffles designed by other constructors such as AN-94 "Abakan", AS "Val", ASh-12.7 etc.

But one again, AK-47 is not produced here since 1959. Because that's a very obsolete model.

NY Times is abuzz today...

Jetliner Explodes Over Ukraine; Struck by Missile, Officials Say
By SABRINA TAVERNISE, ERIC SCHMITT and RICK GLADSTONE
Malaysia Airlines 17, which was carrying 298 people onboard, was shot down by a surface-to-air missile that might have been Russian made, American officials said.

Russia?s president, Vladimir V. Putin, blamed Ukraine?s government for creating what he called conditions for insurgency in eastern Ukraine, where separatists have bragged about shooting down at least three Ukrainian military aircraft. But Mr. Putin did not specifically deny that a Russian-made weapon had felled the Malaysian jetliner.


Fallen Bodies, Jet Parts and a Child's Pink Book
By SABRINA TAVERNISE
Local residents and rescue workers saw smoldering debris litter miles of sparsely populated Ukrainian farmland after Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 crashed. Residents spoke of bodies falling from the sky, looking like rags or clumps of ash, before the plane came to a jolting rest in a large wheat field, having trailed debris over several miles of sparsely populated Ukrainian farmland.

Barbarians :2 cents:

That factory is a real place that operates today. It was just sanctioned yesterday. You're dense and not very smart, so I'll stop this exchange with you.

Who cares what a sad clown thinks? Right, nobody cares of you :1orglaugh

Create a thread, make us vote.

So you want to ban yourself?

http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Le_2bc6e2_1936193.jpg

It is realy strange they flew there. But that also counts for countries as Irak and Iran where a lot of civilian planes fly over like from Amsterdam to Dubai or Abu Dabi. On airports they check and scan you so you can't take explosives with you. But than they sent the plane above terrorist countries as a sitting Duck waiting to get shot down. And that will happen again, the terrorist get better weapons.

Indeed :2 cents:

Quote of the day:

"This is not just a local conflict in Donetsk and Luhansk but a full-scale war in the center of Europe. I'm certain the international community this time will pay attention and understand."

VITALI KLITSCHKO, the mayor of Kiev, speaking about a Malaysian airliner brought down in a rebel-controlled part of Ukraine.

OK, but I don't think it's obsolete. A tank destroyer that can't kill tanks is obsolete, but since AK-47 is still perfectly capable of killing people it isn't obsolete. Not to mention it is used for that probably every day.

you obviously have not watched RT yesterday - i did

they reported that the Ukrainian government is at fault - before any investigation result

but hey, as usual arguing about that would be pointless anyways :2 cents:

that was the report asking why wasn't there a no fly zone?

does syria have a no fly zone? no one seems to have been flying over that country yesterday

Ukraine air traffic controllers instructed MH17 to fly lower - http://www.themalaymailonline.com/ma...lower-mas-says

btw, "no-fly zones over Ukraine blocked by the Western states"

http://en.itar-tass.com/world/736304

same examples exist with syria.. it's just no one seems to fly over that country.. which is also curious

I don't watch propaganda "news".

And they are correct. It doesn't matter who shot down the plane - the Ukrainian army or the Ukrainian terrorists. There is a war zone and it is a criminal negligence to allow civilian flights over that area.

I'm not arguing with you. I just said that I agree that the Ukrainian government is responsible, and have explained why.

You mean Russian backed Syria?

Could it be because they do not want any one to be a witness to what is happening there.

Ask Cyberassiehole, he will confirm Russia is good everyone else bad.

Are you a pilot, aircraft controller or any way related to airline industry?

controllers request all the time aircraft to change altitude due to other aircraft in the vicinity or weather related is very common except for areas where there isn't radar coverage, outside radar coverage areas each flight is issued a track which is like a tunnel that the aircraft must follow.

On that day the NOTAM for that particular route was minimum ceiling of 32 000 feet , the aircraft was at 33 700 feet so it was above the NOTAM issued note.

There was a Singapore airlines flying at FL 35 000 feet in the same route just 5 minutes behind and an air india at 32 500 feet 10 minutes ahead of the Malaysian airlines. they were exactly in the same corridor only at different altitudes.

Two possible thing could have happened

1- Its was cloudy so they could fire the missile blindly, that means being fired only by rdar lock

2- Malaysia airlines airplanes belly is painted the same color as Ukrainian military transport aircraft and could have been mistaken by on of the Antonov.

Before you start blaming people get some info on how airplanes, routes and controllers work

They've got some drama queens working on there.

What the fuck did they expect?

Exactly. They hired a bunch of unstable hysterical bitches from around he Globe and what they were expected for? How many male reporters have resigned from RT? Zero? That says it all, IMHO. Stupid clowns :2 cents:

or, there is reality:

http://www.themalaymailonline.com/ma...lower-mas-says

makes you wonder, what the altitude was for the flight on the 15th. you know, the same plane, same company, that didn't fly over this city.

surely it is 33k feet as well.. right? surely.

For a Canadian i thought you will be smarter.

Routes will change by hour or day and not same every day but just thoughts here is MH17 flight on July 15th around same area as yesterday.

Altitude: 33 000 feet
speed: 483 knots
squawk: 3254
Heading:@46.718101,36.357824

By data it was flying a few km south of the crash site at same altitude and around same speed.

just an example June 5th flying Canada to europe route went over iceland but June 27th same flight at same time and route went south over azores islands..

reports are russian parasites have looted the crash scene...

NATO needs to blows these fucking maggots to smithereens

'i would be smarter' is the grammar you were looking for.

http://i.imgur.com/pVhvLd7.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/PPjrqs1.jpg

few kilometers eh. at the same altitude eh.

whatever you said

77 Km´s south west and at 33 000 feet so it was 700 feet lower then today so what ? are you saying that they change the aircraft route and altitude on purpose?

you mean, 227 kms to the south.

give me the link where you got the altitude from the 15th flight.

Didn't you know he is a Kremlin stupid agent living in the Soviet Socialist Republic of Canada.

sounds and acts like one

the flight MH17 of july 15th had 3 cruise altitudes after taking off from Amsterdam, it climbed to 33 000 feet and maintained that altitude till it was leaving Azerbaijan airspace then it climbed to 35 000 feet and just 2,5 hours before landing it climbed again to 37 000 feet.


For your info controllers can assign a flight track/route but pilots may or not agree with it so Malaysian pilots could have refused flying that track.

that's nice. so because i am curious on a flight deviation of 277 kms, directly over a war zone, where they have been shooting down planes.. i am suddenly 'the enemy'?

or is it because i posted an article, stating these pilots requested 35, and were denied?

the article that was posted, the reason you're now calling me a communist pig, states, quite clearly, that the altitude is decided by the air traffic controllers.

Yes... if there was a tape recorded phonecall between ukranian army and usa official discussing the attack... yes...

Very easy... The people who did it had immediate contact with russian official about it. This would make no sense if the Russians are not involved...

I tried to give you insight info from someone that flew and has being flying airplanes for long enough to know a bit about it.

A few weeks ago i was flying from somewhere south of Spain to somewhere south of France with flight plan to fly FL 280 but on route controllers requested to descend to FL 180 which was bumpy as hell even after my requests to get higher FL it was denied.

So what is so suspicious about this flight?

Not suddenly, long time and yes. You are what you post.

Take it from an American Asshole, I would not shit you, you simply are not worth an untruth.

Considering the weapon system they were not supposed to have but did has a range of 72 thousand feet the 2-3 k feet you are balking about means absolutely ZERO (0) in this case.

Do not forget flight directives not to fly over Crimea also. When were those in effect and would it alter those flights routes?

It is good that you remind everyone how you think and act whenever these topics come up. I am sure your posts in these threads sits well with others not brave enough to say anything about it.

you're a pilot, but made a 200 km mistake on a flight path map?

what is so suspicious about a flight path deviation of 277 km, over an area that has had 2 planes shot down this week?

frankly, i don't want to interfere with your and wdfs' witchhunt for communists. all the best

myself and my family stand for truth, honour, freedom, and will always stand against evil.

if you find myself and us your enemy, so be it.

I thought we had established this point already.

Now on to the weapon system they were not supposed to have, but did, with a range of more then twice the altitude you are bullshitting over, nothing to say about that though.

No Comment for that fun fact?

So much for YOUR truth, honor, and standing against evil.

Stop trying to bait me into involving your family for the ban, you piece of shit!

You have no honor and showed the members here that with a move like you just tried.

no, it's just so stupid i was ignoring it.

just like how the second suggestion is so stupid, i am going to ignore that as well.

Yup, that sounds right.

Ignore the truth you claim to stand for when it proves you to be an honor-less tool.

You are probably the only 1 here ignoring it now though.

just want to get back to discussing these ideas; you can talk about me all you want

Clowns, this discussion went ballistic, experts FFS. Even if it was downed by rooskies then wot? New 'sanction' to follow? I beg of you, EU and US crack is now visible open, what are they trading? Gas pipes of course, comfortable living based on the Putin's oil.