http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oghuz_Turks

lol :winkwink:

Now it looks like the pro Russian separatists are in control of the wreckage. They are apparently not allowing crash investigators into the crash site to collect Intel as to exactly what kind of missile hit the plane and they are going to send the black box to Moscow.

Make of that what you will...



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It's really not a mystery.. The pro Russians claimed they shot it down, when they thought it was a military transport plane. Soon as it was found out to be civilian, they started removing their social media posts and trying to cover their tracks. The pro Russians hold the smoking gun and Moscow gave them the gun.

It's really pretty cut & dry.

:2 cents::thumbsup

The efforts by the PPP (Putin Propaganda Patrol) have been vigorous but the facts at hand do seem to say just that.

I've got about 25,000 Malaysian Airways miles. I'm open to trades.

interesting info http://mobile.extremetech.com/electr...did-they-do-it

so after 5 pages of expert gfy investigation it is indeed seems like rebels nailed the plane

that youtube video of their radio exchange, even though it was posted by ukrainian officials, sounds legit enough... they fired something, thought they hit a transport plane, but it turned out to be a passenger jet...

the other thing is that Carlos guy claiming on twitter they were tracking one or two unkrainian fighters escorting the jet minutes before it went off the radars... what the fuck they were doing there? were they responsible for it changing course and flying directly over the "hot" area?...

still a lot of uncertain details

lets continue our investigation fellow gfyers

It would be stupid to deny that separatists have military advisers in Russia and they are supported by private corporate armies (e.g.: http://rsb-group.ru/) On the other hand, it's not a secret that the official Ukrainian government has military advisers in the States (up to the head of CIA) and there are Greystone mercenaries on the Ukraine.

So, if the plane was hit by the Ukrainian army, would you blame the USA for that? If not, why do you blame Russia for something done by the Ukrainian separatists? Answer to this question please.

Is there anybody else who can answer to my question?

I was always feel irritated when somebody call these bastards pro-Russian (theofficial Russian TV loves to use that term as well). WTF they are pro-Russian? They are pro-their own. There are so many groups that want to separate from the Ukraine and every group has its own goals. I'm sure that if they will really separate from the Ukraine, they will not join Russia but will start bashing each other in the same manner, because every single commander there wanna have his own country and army. It's very similar to all those African conflicts :2 cents:

They were killed by people who have been 100% supplied with weapons, training and ammo by guess who???

If you want t otravel down the road full of fanciful bullshit because you are Russian, so be it, facts are facts and you can continue ranting and raving like a looney.

ruskie are the most hated nation all over the world those days. way ahead americans and jews

It's not a matter of "guesses". If you have any proof and facts - post them please.

American and Jews are hated too? That's a very typical post for the Ukrainian Nazi :2 cents:

P.S. Have Jews raped you, or maybe Americans stole your salo? Why do you hate them?

desperate ruskie bitch is always a desperate ruskie bitch :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

That's all you can say, you Nazi pig? I can't say why Americans are so hated on the Ukraine, but the Jaws have a real long genocide story there :2 cents:

you look like a total loser now :1orglaugh ruskie bitch is a loser by default

Am I a loser because I do not hate Jaws, or what? Are you drunk again?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bsx_dyWCYAALj5A.jpg

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/48990...405376/photo/1

off topic, i know, but, just, oops ... :) :upsidedow

by who ? you ? :)

As you can see, all these guys around him can't be Russian soldiers. In Russian army you can't have a beard or a punk-like Ukrainian forelock. These are rather Ukrainian locals or mercenaries :2 cents:

Exactly my thoughts, with the level of "professionalism" on either side of the conflict this is quite possible, unfortunately.

The AK47 factory just got sanctioned yesterday. That's a big one.

That black box will be in the deepest hole 100 feet under the Kremlin, never to be seen again.

Where? Just wonder what country does produce this obsolete weapon?

CyberSEO - the proudest ruskie bitch at gfy :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

in reality - fat ass sitting in ruskie shithole land doing webspam script and fighting for holy rusia

have you ever visited Europe or any other country besides your shithole rushka, ruski boy?

There is certainly 1 to blame: Malaysian Airlines.

I flew 3 months ago fron Thailand to Amsterdam and saw we where flying over Ukrain.
And i thought, that is fucked up, why do they fly here! Everybody knew there is a war going on.
That will be solved in court the coming years.
The shit started when they wanted to save a few hundred dollars on gasoline.

R.I.P. to all who died @ Malaysia Airlines flight MH17.

http://img.rasset.ie/00094047-942.jpg

http://img.rasset.ie/00094042-942.jpg

http://img.rasset.ie/0009403f-942.jpg

because world community doesn't recognize rusia is in war with Ukraine. it's new age hybrid war - war by fact, but not declared according to current standards.
if they close air it should be identified as military conflict, while rusia does a lot to not identify it that way

:1orglaugh

http://turboportal.ru/uploads/posts/...91475564__.jpg

R.I.P. to innocent people.

Fighting? You are really drunk today, keyboard warrior. Get sober and come back tomorrow.

have you ever been in Europe?

Course not. I live in Moscow which is located at the North Pole. There are only white bears and ice.

З.Ы. Ты реально такой тупой или прикидывешься? Если воспользуешься поиском, то найдешь мои фотографии из самых разных стран мира. Тебе-дураку в жизни столько не объездить.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.n...77591832_n.jpg

Take a look at the photo of the innocently murdered. The only reason for this is that the world community turns a blind eye to the crimes committed by president Putin's regime that turned into the terroristic regime waging war against Ukraine and the whole world. Each of you is partly responsible for what is happening. Please, show this photo to all your friends and acquaintances and to those ones who can affect the situation and help to stop the distraught Kremlin.


https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&theater

CyberSEO is Moscow based retard, he is fucking around 'just because he can' - same 'vatnik' as all of the other brain washed ruskies.

Yep, both sides are absolutely unprofessional, so it's still 50/50 for Ukrainian army or Ukrainian terrorists.

And you says that? A broke ruskiy alcoholic who left Ukraine and moved to Poland. Left Poland and moved the Italy. What's your next stop, loser? :pimp

It's not their fault.

MH17?s flight plan was approved by Eurocontrol, who are solely responsible for determining civil aircraft flight paths over European airspace.

According to Eurocontrol the route had been closed by the Ukrainian authorities from ground to flight level 320 but was open at the level at which the aircraft was flying.

Shocking but it is clear which country should be to blame.

I doubt the authenticity. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-0...n-flight-mh-17

The youtube video was actually uploaded a day before the plane crash.
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/defau...e%20clip_0.png

Yep. CNN says that MH17 was redirected by Polish dispatcher, because of huge storm over Crimea.

But I don't see any storm.
http://linkis.com/www.wunderground.com/mIDWS