But Cyberseo claims that Russia is not involved :(

Eurocontrol allowed, but sensible air companies avoided it themselves. Most of them did. If the route is not banned by Eurocontrol does not mean you can not think by yourself and do not fly there, like majority of air companies did.

The most important.

Jane's analysis -> http://press.ihs.com/press-release/a...issile-systems

Whoever shot the plane, it was not a mistake. They knew what they were doing.

So the question is this: who benefits most from the downing of MH17 ?

There are others way ahead, such as USA, Israel and Great Britain :2 cents:

The recent anti-Russia thing is mainly propaganda from the top

These are the NOTAM issued yesterday for Ukraine airspace before the crash
If i was due to fly a jetliner I will due everything to avoid those routes even at any altitude.


URRV V6158/14 17JUL0000-31AUG2359 EST
DUE TO COMBAT ACTIONS ON THE TERRITORY OF THE UKRAINE NEAR THE STATE BORDER WITH THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION AND THE FACTS OF FRNG FM THE TERRITORY OF THE UKRAINE TOWARDS THE TERRITORY OF RUSSIAN FEDERATION, TO ENSURE INTL FLT SAFETY, ATS RTE SEGMENTS CLSD AS FLW:
A100 MIMRA - ROSTOV-NA-DONU VOR/DME (RND),
B145 KANON - ASMIL,
G247 MIMRA - BAGAYEVSKIY NDB (BA),
A87 TAMAK - SARNA,
A102 PENEG - NALEM,
A225 GUKOL - ODETA,
A712 TAMAK - SAMBEK NDB (SB),
B493 FASAD - ROSTOV-NA-DONU VOR/DME (RND),
B947 TAMAK - ROSTOV-NA-DONU VOR/DME (RND),
G118 LATRI - BAGAYEVSKIY NDB (BA),
G534 MIMRA - TOROS,
G904 FASAD - SUTAG,
R114 BAGAYEVSKIY NDB (BA)-NALEM.
SFC - FL320.




UUWV V6159/14 17JUL0000-31AUG2359 EST
DUE TO COMBAT ACTIONS ON THE TERRITORY OF THE UKRAINE NEAR THE STATE BORDER WITH THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION AND THE FACTS OF FRNG FM THE TERRITORY OF THE UKRAINE TOWARDS THE TERRITORY OF RUSSIAN FEDERATION, TO ENSURE INTL FLT SAFETY, ATS RTE SEGMENTS CLSD AS FLW:
A493 LIRSI-LEMBO,
G915 AGNIN-FORMA,
A131 BODRO-FORMA,
A236 LULED-LUMAT,
R371 LUMAT-LEMBO,
R371 BELIB-KUBOK,
G372 BODRO-BELIB,
A97 TUMIT-NALEG,
R363 ANIGI-KUBOK,
R368 SOMUM-KUBOK,
A279 RASAP-KUBOK,
B921 ROGLA-GOBUN,
B110 RASAP-GOBUN,
G476 RASAP-MASOL,
R374 TUMIT-KANON,
B231 TERBUNY NDB (TE)-KANON,
R808 KOROT-KANON,
B145 BUTRI-KANON.
FM SFC UP TO FL200
SFC / FL200

Eh, what? I though it was clear who shot it down. They even admitted it on social media, lol.

I am sure people will start a lawsuit against Malaysian Airlines, Eurocontrol where political figures have to say why they thought it was save to fly there. And why didn't malaysian airlines took another route, other companies took their responsibility and did.

This will be in court for years and will be used by politics for proganda.

some are still flying too close for comfort

http://i59.tinypic.com/rk4nx1.png

its time the world coalesces and brings the gates of hell to the front door of these russian parasites

usa + nato have enough resources to pound the pathetic, degenerate russian military back into the stone age and its time they do it

Sorry, but Russia does not produce AK47 for a long time.

another "peacekeeping" idiot..........

...and Italy does not produce Italians.

What do you mean? Sorry but I didn't get your "sarcasm".

I can't understand why aren't there already some satellite footages released.. I'm pretty sure that the major players (Russia, US, EU etc.) are constantly monitoring Ukraine..

we'd most likely be fighting the chinese as well

What I mean is that a Russian will tell you the sky is green with a straight face, when you know it's blue.

Do you understand that?

300 tragedies, RIP.............. World Politics SUCK !!!!

No I don't understand that bullshit. AK47 is an obsolete weapon which is not produced in USSR (so in Russia) since 1959. Perhaps China or maybe Italy still produce it but not Russia for sure.

Russia Today Correspondent Resigns Over Coverage Of Ukrainian Plane Crash

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/...-ukranian?bffb

That's was very stupid and unprofessional. A person with a brain would wait for the official investigation results. Some women are real hysterical bitches while thy have their periods :2 cents:

Ok, I was too lazy to do this before, but here you go...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalashnikov_Concern

If you want to say this place doesn't exist, then I wouldn't be able to convince you that you have a nose on your face.

shocking
https://twitter.com/flightradar24/st...43415002001408

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsxF_J_CcAAycNi.png

and shocking lies

FINNair

https://twitter.com/Finnair/status/489831084079996928

https://twitter.com/flightradar24/st...21625803575296

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsxQy1AIcAAQIqY.png

FINNair's response

https://twitter.com/Finnair/status/490091075491889152

Meanwhile in Ukraine business as usual. One day after plane crush, city of Luhansk is still being shelled by Ukr army. 20ppl died. Horrible pictures and video. What a sick world

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bs1j90vIYAAmrgk.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m55zrW8cijQ

It's not actually obsolete and there are lot of variants from it. I don't know about this Russia thing and I am not going to start fighting about it, but I bet that Russia has plenty of AKs in storage. "New" gun can mean just a gun pulled from storage grease (never used).

Ah, you just discovered Wikipedia? Congrats on that :thumbsup

Jere is a quote from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK-47: Produced 1949?1959

P.S. Shit happens :winkwink:

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I think it's time to ban all russian retards from this board. Nothing but shit posts.

Yep, but those are mostly AK-74M. Now Russia produces only the modern series of AK: AK-103 and AK-12 + assault riffles designed by other constructors such as AN-94 "Abakan", AS "Val", ASh-12.7 etc.

But one again, AK-47 is not produced here since 1959. Because that's a very obsolete model.

NY Times is abuzz today...

Jetliner Explodes Over Ukraine; Struck by Missile, Officials Say
By SABRINA TAVERNISE, ERIC SCHMITT and RICK GLADSTONE
Malaysia Airlines 17, which was carrying 298 people onboard, was shot down by a surface-to-air missile that might have been Russian made, American officials said.

Russia?s president, Vladimir V. Putin, blamed Ukraine?s government for creating what he called conditions for insurgency in eastern Ukraine, where separatists have bragged about shooting down at least three Ukrainian military aircraft. But Mr. Putin did not specifically deny that a Russian-made weapon had felled the Malaysian jetliner.


Fallen Bodies, Jet Parts and a Child's Pink Book
By SABRINA TAVERNISE
Local residents and rescue workers saw smoldering debris litter miles of sparsely populated Ukrainian farmland after Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 crashed. Residents spoke of bodies falling from the sky, looking like rags or clumps of ash, before the plane came to a jolting rest in a large wheat field, having trailed debris over several miles of sparsely populated Ukrainian farmland.

Barbarians :2 cents:

That factory is a real place that operates today. It was just sanctioned yesterday. You're dense and not very smart, so I'll stop this exchange with you.

Who cares what a sad clown thinks? Right, nobody cares of you :1orglaugh

Create a thread, make us vote.

So you want to ban yourself?

http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Le_2bc6e2_1936193.jpg

It is realy strange they flew there. But that also counts for countries as Irak and Iran where a lot of civilian planes fly over like from Amsterdam to Dubai or Abu Dabi. On airports they check and scan you so you can't take explosives with you. But than they sent the plane above terrorist countries as a sitting Duck waiting to get shot down. And that will happen again, the terrorist get better weapons.

Indeed :2 cents:

Quote of the day:

"This is not just a local conflict in Donetsk and Luhansk but a full-scale war in the center of Europe. I'm certain the international community this time will pay attention and understand."

VITALI KLITSCHKO, the mayor of Kiev, speaking about a Malaysian airliner brought down in a rebel-controlled part of Ukraine.