OK, but I don't think it's obsolete. A tank destroyer that can't kill tanks is obsolete, but since AK-47 is still perfectly capable of killing people it isn't obsolete. Not to mention it is used for that probably every day.

you obviously have not watched RT yesterday - i did

they reported that the Ukrainian government is at fault - before any investigation result

but hey, as usual arguing about that would be pointless anyways :2 cents:

that was the report asking why wasn't there a no fly zone?

does syria have a no fly zone? no one seems to have been flying over that country yesterday

Ukraine air traffic controllers instructed MH17 to fly lower - http://www.themalaymailonline.com/ma...lower-mas-says

btw, "no-fly zones over Ukraine blocked by the Western states"

http://en.itar-tass.com/world/736304

same examples exist with syria.. it's just no one seems to fly over that country.. which is also curious

I don't watch propaganda "news".

And they are correct. It doesn't matter who shot down the plane - the Ukrainian army or the Ukrainian terrorists. There is a war zone and it is a criminal negligence to allow civilian flights over that area.

I'm not arguing with you. I just said that I agree that the Ukrainian government is responsible, and have explained why.

You mean Russian backed Syria?

Could it be because they do not want any one to be a witness to what is happening there.

Ask Cyberassiehole, he will confirm Russia is good everyone else bad.

Are you a pilot, aircraft controller or any way related to airline industry?

controllers request all the time aircraft to change altitude due to other aircraft in the vicinity or weather related is very common except for areas where there isn't radar coverage, outside radar coverage areas each flight is issued a track which is like a tunnel that the aircraft must follow.

On that day the NOTAM for that particular route was minimum ceiling of 32 000 feet , the aircraft was at 33 700 feet so it was above the NOTAM issued note.

There was a Singapore airlines flying at FL 35 000 feet in the same route just 5 minutes behind and an air india at 32 500 feet 10 minutes ahead of the Malaysian airlines. they were exactly in the same corridor only at different altitudes.

Two possible thing could have happened

1- Its was cloudy so they could fire the missile blindly, that means being fired only by rdar lock

2- Malaysia airlines airplanes belly is painted the same color as Ukrainian military transport aircraft and could have been mistaken by on of the Antonov.

Before you start blaming people get some info on how airplanes, routes and controllers work

They've got some drama queens working on there.

What the fuck did they expect?

Exactly. They hired a bunch of unstable hysterical bitches from around he Globe and what they were expected for? How many male reporters have resigned from RT? Zero? That says it all, IMHO. Stupid clowns :2 cents:

or, there is reality:

http://www.themalaymailonline.com/ma...lower-mas-says

makes you wonder, what the altitude was for the flight on the 15th. you know, the same plane, same company, that didn't fly over this city.

surely it is 33k feet as well.. right? surely.

For a Canadian i thought you will be smarter.

Routes will change by hour or day and not same every day but just thoughts here is MH17 flight on July 15th around same area as yesterday.

Altitude: 33 000 feet
speed: 483 knots
squawk: 3254
Heading:@46.718101,36.357824

By data it was flying a few km south of the crash site at same altitude and around same speed.

just an example June 5th flying Canada to europe route went over iceland but June 27th same flight at same time and route went south over azores islands..

reports are russian parasites have looted the crash scene...

NATO needs to blows these fucking maggots to smithereens

'i would be smarter' is the grammar you were looking for.

http://i.imgur.com/pVhvLd7.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/PPjrqs1.jpg

few kilometers eh. at the same altitude eh.

whatever you said

77 Km´s south west and at 33 000 feet so it was 700 feet lower then today so what ? are you saying that they change the aircraft route and altitude on purpose?

you mean, 227 kms to the south.

give me the link where you got the altitude from the 15th flight.

Didn't you know he is a Kremlin stupid agent living in the Soviet Socialist Republic of Canada.

sounds and acts like one

the flight MH17 of july 15th had 3 cruise altitudes after taking off from Amsterdam, it climbed to 33 000 feet and maintained that altitude till it was leaving Azerbaijan airspace then it climbed to 35 000 feet and just 2,5 hours before landing it climbed again to 37 000 feet.


For your info controllers can assign a flight track/route but pilots may or not agree with it so Malaysian pilots could have refused flying that track.

that's nice. so because i am curious on a flight deviation of 277 kms, directly over a war zone, where they have been shooting down planes.. i am suddenly 'the enemy'?

or is it because i posted an article, stating these pilots requested 35, and were denied?

the article that was posted, the reason you're now calling me a communist pig, states, quite clearly, that the altitude is decided by the air traffic controllers.

Yes... if there was a tape recorded phonecall between ukranian army and usa official discussing the attack... yes...

Very easy... The people who did it had immediate contact with russian official about it. This would make no sense if the Russians are not involved...

I tried to give you insight info from someone that flew and has being flying airplanes for long enough to know a bit about it.

A few weeks ago i was flying from somewhere south of Spain to somewhere south of France with flight plan to fly FL 280 but on route controllers requested to descend to FL 180 which was bumpy as hell even after my requests to get higher FL it was denied.

So what is so suspicious about this flight?

Not suddenly, long time and yes. You are what you post.

Take it from an American Asshole, I would not shit you, you simply are not worth an untruth.

Considering the weapon system they were not supposed to have but did has a range of 72 thousand feet the 2-3 k feet you are balking about means absolutely ZERO (0) in this case.

Do not forget flight directives not to fly over Crimea also. When were those in effect and would it alter those flights routes?

It is good that you remind everyone how you think and act whenever these topics come up. I am sure your posts in these threads sits well with others not brave enough to say anything about it.

you're a pilot, but made a 200 km mistake on a flight path map?

what is so suspicious about a flight path deviation of 277 km, over an area that has had 2 planes shot down this week?

frankly, i don't want to interfere with your and wdfs' witchhunt for communists. all the best

myself and my family stand for truth, honour, freedom, and will always stand against evil.

if you find myself and us your enemy, so be it.

I thought we had established this point already.

Now on to the weapon system they were not supposed to have, but did, with a range of more then twice the altitude you are bullshitting over, nothing to say about that though.

No Comment for that fun fact?

So much for YOUR truth, honor, and standing against evil.

Stop trying to bait me into involving your family for the ban, you piece of shit!

You have no honor and showed the members here that with a move like you just tried.

no, it's just so stupid i was ignoring it.

just like how the second suggestion is so stupid, i am going to ignore that as well.

Yup, that sounds right.

Ignore the truth you claim to stand for when it proves you to be an honor-less tool.

You are probably the only 1 here ignoring it now though.

just want to get back to discussing these ideas; you can talk about me all you want

Clowns, this discussion went ballistic, experts FFS. Even if it was downed by rooskies then wot? New 'sanction' to follow? I beg of you, EU and US crack is now visible open, what are they trading? Gas pipes of course, comfortable living based on the Putin's oil.

I apologize to you Sid and any others, except for Sextrollish Dick, for taking the thread off topic for a few posts.

When some one arguing over stuff like 32 thousand feet versus 35 thousand feet and the range of the weapon used against the plane is more then that the point of the ignorance needs to be driven home.

As you can see though this important fact was ignored by the person arguing over 3 thousand feet of altitude like it mattered.

In one of the airliner crash photos one of the Russian rebels was using a SKS. that's like Vietnam era but it's also still a good rifle.

We had some Vietnam era communication systems while I was in the army (military service) at early 2000. Those were some surplus bought from US military. Nothing wrong with those, except some cable connections were a bit loose and required some tuning. Although we mixed those communication systems with new stuff.

Ukrainian official: Russian rebels looting crash site for jewelry, cash, credit cards

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/w...cene/12827931/

A mob of cold-hearted looters swarmed the Ukrainian field where Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 crashed Thursday, pillaging victims' possessions from the site where 298 people died.

Officials have no idea how many items have been mercilessly stolen, but the raids could interfere with the investigation into the airline disaster, USA Today reported.

Investigators pulled luggage from the charred crime scene Friday, but many pieces had already been opened and riled through, witnesses said.

Among the items the raiders left behind: a Minnie Mouse lunchbox, a Winnie the Pooh stuffed animal, family photographs and still intact passports.

The looting at the massive 10-mile crash site is only part of the investigation's chaos, USA Today reported.

The recovery effort lacks organization. Possessions found in the debris ? the ones that have not yet been stolen ? have not been categorized as per standard crime scene procedures.

The scene has not been roped off, and unidentified men are allowed to walk into the area. That move likely encouraged the heartless ransacking.

While crews on the ground continued to comb through the wreck, other investigators search for details about what caused the crash.

U.S. satellites confirmed that the plane was stuck by a missile launched from the ground, but it's unclear who launched it. Ukraine and Russia have each blamed each other for the disaster.

The Thursday crash killed all 298 people on board, including 15 crew members.

They have to.be some pretty fucked in the head people, to just leave the bodies laying everywhere as they have and then just go to looting.

They shot down a civilian jet carrying 298 people, tried to cover it up when they realized what they did and denied it, did you really expect them not to disturb the remains.

I'd expect them to act as decent human beings even if they are at war.. They may have no respect for their adversary but the people on that plane were innocent and not involved. Instead of respecting other humans they instead act like animals, which tells you a lot about the population in question.

Exactly my point, they take no responsibility for what they did and try to hide it.

Allowing or encouraging the scene to be disturbed only benefits them by contaminating any evidence that exists.

They did not respect these civilians enough not to shoot down the aircraft why would they respect the remains.

1 of them even claimed they were spies for being on a plane flying over the area they control.

Do you really think they have any common decency?

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/malaysia-ai...attack-1457170

Malaysia Airlines MH17: Was Putin's Flight the Original Target of Missile Attack?

Russian President Vladimir Putin might have been the real target of the missile attack that brought down the Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 as it emerges that Putin's plane was in a similar flight path coinciding with the crash as he was returning from the Brics summit in Brazil.

They are not RUSSIAN rebels , but UKRAINIAN rebels ( or separatists ) .

They speak russian as their mother tongue, but still ukrainians :2 cents:


I know saying RUSSIANS fit better the propaganda or agenda ....