The another fact is that the Ukrainian army has shot down Russian-Israel civilian flight in 2001 w/o any reason (they just took down a "wrong target"). And there was no war or something like that. They just were training to use SAM's...

Cant debate further, if that is what you think. You are sadly naive

Russian asshat is LVL80 today!

one just has to read the first sentence: "A senior Russian officer has claimed"
not exactly an undisputed fact that can easily be verified

perhaps they did indeed shoot it down, but what does a military exercise gone wrong 13 years ago have to do with current events we are discussing?

It is fact from same category you have:
"rebels downed multiple airplanes in the past weeks, so they accidentally downed this one too..."

and his point

" another a fact is that the Ukrainian army has shot down Russian-Israel civilian flight in 2001 w/o any reason (they just took down a "wrong target"). And there was no war or something like that. They just were training to use SAM's... "

Don't you see how it works? You just use some doubtful facts in your favor only, it is called "double standards". You accusing people before official investigation complete.

Unprofessionalism.

After 9/11, everything is a conspiracy.

Sure sure, the Dutch just loaded up a plane full of dead bodies and exploded it over Ukraine. Sure.

Hell YEAH :ak47::ak47::BangBang::BangBang:

Ok I also have a theory.. Putin has little tiny space aliens inside his head and they control his every move.. Seems much more realistic than dead corpses on a plane..

Buy the way it was in one of the Sherlock episodes.

http://www.intellihub.com/wp-content...to-300x193.jpg

Many selfies where released while taken in the plane in flight, they looked clearly alive :)

I understand the propaganda wheel is running just for the sake of confusion and to stall the investigation, just like Pro Russians who are cutting up the plane right now and removing evidence.

Or pro american ukrainians who's drilling holes to make up evidence. Another accuser? :321GFY

So there was a scheduled flight with 300 people on it that flew over the Ukraine. Instead of letting their families and friends wave them off at the airport, let them get on the plane, let the airline crew get on, let the plane take off like normal and then shoot it down.

Instead the 300 people were murdered, the crew were murdered, the 300 dead people were smuggled on board, no one obviously minded smuggling on 300 pissing and shitting dead bodies, or even mentioned it. The plane took off. Then the pilots and co pilots I presume smashed open a window (as you cant open windows and doors on passenger planes when flying obviously) and jumped out, Maybe onto a big fluffy cushion? Then they shot the plane down. Obviously no crew, ground staff, passengers, families noticed.

Sounds a good theory, but I am beginning to see a slight flaw in this well thought out idea

These passports are made of fireproof material

sounds legit

if you would bother to look at the pictures of the crashed plane instead of spreading your usual nonsense, you would see that a big part of the plane is not burned and there is lots of luggage that still looks intact and many dead bodies that are not burned either

this last week really showed the intellectual level of many people on here and it's not pretty

"The fact that the plane fell is an American provocation," firebrand member of Parliament Vladimir Zhirinovsky told Vesti FM radio station. "They always do everything possible to blame Russia. It's possible that there were corpses that were placed ahead of time in the seats of the plane."

Why don't you refer to Jim Kerry? Vladimir Zhirinovsky is a well known clown in Russia (even Wikipedia confirms that). I asked for the links to the Russian media, but haven't seen any. Still waiting...

he knows full well..

The plane was blown up, not burned. Except from the wing with fueltank + engine, not much would be burning when it happens at 30.000 feet

internet saçmalık

I am on my smartphone and couldn't give a shit enough to google the fucking name and radio station for you, I was trying to provide you some more detail that I simply came across, you can google it and have it refuted or supported, I couldn't give 1 single shit which of you 2 3rd worlders shot down that airplane.

:)

Russia is like a 2 year old kid that hasn't grasped the concept that if he can't see you then you can't see him stealing cookies. They do everything possible to blame everyone else and claim they did no wrong. Meanwhile the rest of the world looks at them like they are fucking idiots. I'm starting to think the only country that is worse at creating propaganda is North Korea.

"Passport" is misspelled. Conspiracy: confirmed.

Next thing you tell me is that North Korea never sent someone to the moon..

"Passport" is misspelled. Dutch people: confirmed.

CIA spellcheckers not working :thumbsup

i think it's in fact currentlysober's passort, someone stole it.

No links so far? Hmm...

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :thumbsup
Like the SAM; his post went right over your head.

Again double standards? Ain't USA and asslickers always blame and accuse other countries? And second half of the world looking at them as on invaders? What, you don't have democracy? Then we are coming to you and will force democracy.

Whatever it is or was. Its sad to read my localnewspaper stories of people from a 1 mile radius here who died. Families with young kids.

They treat it very very careful here and i can only compare it to the way NYC treated the 911 casualties. I bet it feels the same for many many people here.

this could very well be the passport of the 17 year old girl who worked two miles from here in a restaurant that i frequently visit, or of her little brother, mom or stepfather. Her dad wrote a sad letter about the sweet and only child he lost.

I honestly can tell you its so much a relief not seeing Russians post here.

We must also consider the possibility that the rebels were baited into shooting the plane down. That flight made daily passes over the area. What was so different on that day that the rebels decided to fire??? Something must have been different.

It's possible that the Ukrainian government sent the fighter jet escort to make the rebels believe it was a military cargo plane and shoot it down. This is the way the world works. Policy shifts happen only through tragedy and sometimes those tragedies must be nudged along.

I personally believe this act was Russia's doing - directly, or semi-directly, through their planted "separatists", but I also think it may have been an accident, in that they may have believed they were firing at a military vehicle (which is still NOT justifiable, but...).

Regardless, before we start WWIII over this, realize the US has done similar shit in the past, and like Putin, our "leader" refused to apologize as well...

https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/...64&oe=544F6194

I normally hate agression but that guy makes me want to punch the stupidity out of him. What a fucking retard he is. Unbelievable.