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anexsia 08-14-2014 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyRandy (Post 20192261)
has their head up their asses. Local police forces have morphed into militarized units, with both weaponry and military training. The emphasis is no longer "Protect & Serve" but rather, "Defeating the Enemy".

Keep ignoring this until they're banging at your door.

http://s12.postimg.org/dzm9ddo61/Screenshot_90.jpg


Move to North Korea and tell us how you like it

RandyRandy 08-14-2014 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20192809)
While I am slightly concerned about the recent events in Missouri (mostly the tear gas for no reason at all the journalists being hassled in a fast food restaurant for no reason), I don't believe we have become a police state and or that we are even moving in that direction.

The armored cars look strange there in Missouri, but they are for the protection of the officers who are clearly out numbered five to one. When there is a riot, police respond with riot gear - it's just that simple.

My point is those armored cars that look strange and all of the military training come out in full force on a regular basis. Yes, in Ferguson the cops were outnumbered. But that's a very rare occurrence. Most of the time it's the other way around - with too much overkill. Look at the police response to the Boston Marathon bombings. That wasn't over the top? Shut down the whole city and the outlying areas and they still didn't catch the kid. It was only after the lockdown was lifted that a house owner spotted the kid in his boat.

The authorities are getting bigger, more powerful, and less effective. They are only there to intimidate. Look at the white flags on the Brooklyn Bridge. And twice now kids have gotten to the new World Trade Center. Those are big targets that are secured with millions of dollars of technology because they are high value targets. Totally useless. And don't get me started about the TSA. Its all very expensive window-dressing.

My original point remains the same. The police are being militarized and perceive citizens as the enemy. Too many citizens have a "security at all costs" mentality. And that fits right in with the US Gov't's plans.

RandyRandy 08-14-2014 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by anexsia (Post 20192957)
Move to North Korea and tell us how you like it

Once again - I compare quality of life in the US against the top countries in the world. And you - well, you say it's better than North Korea. My apologies that I have higher standards and aspirations than you.

aka123 08-15-2014 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by venus (Post 20192790)
not when those people are causing harm to others and or their property...such as looting and destroying property like what is going on in Mo.

Usually police handles robbery and vandalism, and without restricting citizens rights with extreme ways. And if it can't handle robbery, how it will enforce the curfew?

RummyBoy 08-15-2014 02:59 AM

As John MacAfee said: ""You know from their own paranoia and desire to stay in power, they are watching everything they can."

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-28721480

tornell 08-15-2014 03:33 AM

it's police state

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35xT7_tUR_g

aka123 08-15-2014 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by tornell (Post 20193134)

Although the dog was threatening, killing it sucks deeply. Police should always use as little force as possible, and that wasn't applied for the man, nor the dog, since they shouldn't have arrested the man in the first place. Also the dog's leash was there to be taken, just needed to be grabbed.

I am glad that our polices don't have that "cowboy style" (shooting to left and right).

ezgirl 08-15-2014 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by RandyRandy (Post 20192261)
has their head up their asses. Local police forces have morphed into militarized units, with both weaponry and military training. The emphasis is no longer "Protect & Serve" but rather, "Defeating the Enemy".

Keep ignoring this until they're banging at your door.

http://s12.postimg.org/dzm9ddo61/Screenshot_90.jpg


Why would I expect the police to be banging at my door? Why would you make this statement devoid of any explanation of why police would be at one's door to begin with? The presumption of your question is the reader of your post is an innocent at home with his family when the police come banging at his door. But I don't do any of the following so why would they be at my door and why would you suggest they would be banging on innocent peoples' doors?

Shoplifting, Stealing a Bicycle, Stealing from Backpacks and Lockers, Vandalism, Tagging and Graffiti, Drawing on Public Restroom Walls, Keying a Car and Cutting Auto Tires, Alcohol offenses, Underage Purchase or Possession, Underage Consumption of Alcohol, Providing Alcohol to Underage Persons, Possessing an Open Container in Public/Car, Disorderly conduct, Fighting in a Public Place, Cursing at a Teacher, Flashing, Mooning and Indecent Exposure, Assault & battery, Bullying when it Amounts to Assault, Child/Parent Physical Disagreements, Shoving or Pushing a Person, Possession of marijuana, Possessing Small Amounts of Marijuana, Smoking Marijuana in a Public Place, Tobacco offenses by minors; Illegally Purchasing Tobacco, Chewing or Smoking Tobacco at School, Providing or Enabling Youth to Use Tobacco, Curfew violations; Sneaking Out of Home After Curfew,Walking Home After Curfew, Violating a Park Curfew, School displinary offenses; Disrupting Class, Food Fights and Cheating, Violating the Dress Code, Traffic violations; Speeding or Failing to Yield, Not Wearing a Seat Belt, Riding in the Back of a Pickup Truck, Truancy; Cutting Class, Having Excessive Tardies, Violating Court Order to Attend School, Criminal trespass; Entering a Vacant Building, Entering Land or a Dwelling Without Permission, Returning to a Store After Being Banned, Mischief & criminal nuisance; Damaging a Mailbox, Egging or Toilet-papering a House, Picking Flowers in a Restricted or Private Area, Having a Pipe in Pocket with Resin, Using Drug Paraphernalia to Use a Controlled Substance, Possessing Drug Paraphernalia to Grow Marijuana, Bullying, Making Telephone Calls Without Good Reason, Insulting or Taunting Another Person to Provoke a Disorderly Response, Fraud; Writing Bad Checks, Impersonating Another Person, Committing Fraud Via E-Mail, Burglary, Enter Friends or Relatives Homes to Steal Something, Entering a School Building to Steal Something, Entering a Home/School and Causing Damage, False reporting; Pulling a Fire Alarm, Calling in False 911 Calls, Calling in a Bomb Threat, Loitering, Hanging Out in a Group in Front of a Building, Smoking in Groups on the Street Corner, Being in a Park or Store After Closing, Possession of stolen property; Having a Bicycle you know is Stolen, Receiving Stolen Goods from a Friend, Being in the Company of Someone Who is Stealing, Possession of a weapon; Unlawfully Possessing Pepper Spray, Possessing a BB or Pellet Gun While Underage, Carrying Weapons like Metal Knuckles or Nunchucks, Reckless endangerment; Throwing Snowballs at Cars, Hanging on to a Moving Car, Speeding Out of a Parking Lot, Resisting police without violence; Lying to a Police Officer, including one?s Age, Running Away from Law Enforcement, Refusing to Move When Ordered by an Officer, Runaways; Running Away from a Noncustodial Parents House, Going to another City/State when Forbidden by a Parent, Staying at a Friend or Families House without Parent Permission, Unauthorized use of a motor vehicle; Driving Without a License, Unlawfully Using All-Terrain Vehicles (ATV?s), Taking Parents or Friends Car without Permission, Murder, rape, robbery, assault, theft, fraud, shoplifting, theft, burglary, auto theft, drug offenses, drug dealing, welfare fraud, food stamp fraud, fighting, possession stolen gun, shooting gun in public place, disorderly conduct in public place, bad checks, arson, and rioting.

aka123 08-15-2014 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ezgirl (Post 20193445)
Why would I expect the police to be banging at my door? Why would you make this statement devoid of any explanation of why police would be at one's door to begin with? The presumption of your question is the reader of your post is an innocent at home with his family when the police come banging at his door. But I don't do any of the following so why would they be at my door and why would you suggest they would be banging on innocent peoples' doors?

In real police state, for example because of your political opinions. Also in real police state, no explanation is usually required (from the police). Maybe the police wants to bang your wife and you are on the way.



EDIT: Guilty: "Hanging Out in a Group in Front of a Building, Smoking in Groups on the Street Corner". Well, it's not a crime around here. LOL.

Rochard 08-15-2014 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by RandyRandy (Post 20192971)
My point is those armored cars that look strange and all of the military training come out in full force on a regular basis. Yes, in Ferguson the cops were outnumbered. But that's a very rare occurrence. Most of the time it's the other way around - with too much overkill. Look at the police response to the Boston Marathon bombings. That wasn't over the top? Shut down the whole city and the outlying areas and they still didn't catch the kid. It was only after the lockdown was lifted that a house owner spotted the kid in his boat.

The authorities are getting bigger, more powerful, and less effective. They are only there to intimidate. Look at the white flags on the Brooklyn Bridge. And twice now kids have gotten to the new World Trade Center. Those are big targets that are secured with millions of dollars of technology because they are high value targets. Totally useless. And don't get me started about the TSA. Its all very expensive window-dressing.

My original point remains the same. The police are being militarized and perceive citizens as the enemy. Too many citizens have a "security at all costs" mentality. And that fits right in with the US Gov't's plans.

I disagree with where you said our police forces are becoming "less effective". Violent crime is dropping quickly, even through the recession. My little police force in my little home town has license plate scanners on the top of their cars and they can spot a stolen car without putting much effort into it. I think that's great.

The police forces are getting more powerful because they have to. Citizens are now armed with assault rifles, and the police have to match this - and beat it. And while I do believe the police response there has been a bit much, at the same time a day before there was mass looting going on.

RandyRandy 08-15-2014 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20193534)
I disagree with where you said our police forces are becoming "less effective". Violent crime is dropping quickly, even through the recession. My little police force in my little home town has license plate scanners on the top of their cars and they can spot a stolen car without putting much effort into it. I think that's great.

The police forces are getting more powerful because they have to. Citizens are now armed with assault rifles, and the police have to match this - and beat it. And while I do believe the police response there has been a bit much, at the same time a day before there was mass looting going on.

Hey - we can disagree. That's what free speech is all about, right?

candyflip 08-15-2014 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20192809)
While I am slightly concerned about the recent events in Missouri (mostly the tear gas for no reason at all the journalists being hassled in a fast food restaurant for no reason), I don't believe we have become a police state and or that we are even moving in that direction.

Please, bury your head even further in the sand. :1orglaugh


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