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Jel 02-05-2015 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Glen (Post 20382896)
... Tyson was that he was SO dominant when he came around that he pretty much wrecked the whole talent pool that was there at the time. He fought some damn good fighters but kicked the shit out of them so bad they walked away from the sport all together. His demons got the better of him in the end but it was an incredible thing to watch before that--oh, and no stuntmen or second takes..

:thumbsup :thumbsup

Jel 02-05-2015 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Nickatilynx (Post 20382736)
I think people who have not seen a top flight pro heavyweight boxer hit with malicious intent close up....should. You will be in awe.

I remember Tyson as being a step apart in this regard, his eyes/face gave away a whole new level of malicious intent, and by fuck did he deliver it :thumbsup

EngineCash 02-05-2015 02:45 AM

Just one punch will do it for Mike Tyson... But, Bruce Lee could easily knocked him down, he has the skills... :) :)

pimpmaster9000 02-05-2015 04:26 AM

there are girls in my BJJ class that could probably beat bruce lee...

I would go out on a limb and say that every 200lb+ guy has a fair chance of beating bruce lee, without any knowledge of martial arts whatsoever...

a more realistic comparison would be bruce lee vs jackie chan :2 cents:

John-ACWM 02-05-2015 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Pwmp (Post 20381861)
If Tyson could get close enough to land a full swing, game over for Lee... but id think lee could chip away at tyson enough to slow him down, while defending against a tyson haymaker.. Lee wins in 6

I agree :)

Lykos 02-05-2015 07:41 AM

Hmmm... hard to answer, totally different styles....
Would be interesting to see :)

Relentless 02-05-2015 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 20383113)
there are girls in my BJJ class that could probably beat bruce lee... I would go out on a limb and say that every 200lb+ guy has a fair chance of beating bruce lee, without any knowledge of martial arts whatsoever...a more realistic comparison would be bruce lee vs jackie chan :2 cents:

And every 200 pound guy thought he could beat Royce Gracie... Until he started pulling guard and tapping them one after another in the same day to win tournaments....

MrBottomTooth 02-05-2015 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Relentless (Post 20383370)
And every 200 pound guy thought he could beat Royce Gracie... Until he started pulling guard and tapping them one after another in the same day to win tournaments....

I agree with you that an MMA fighter is going to have a tremendous advantage over a straight boxer, but what MMA experience did Bruce Lee have?

I think you are overestimating his capabilities. While he was dabbling with BJJ and grappling a bit towards the end of his life he was mostly just a kung fu guy.

Relentless 02-05-2015 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by MrBottomTooth (Post 20383389)
I agree with you that an MMA fighter is going to have a tremendous advantage over a straight boxer, but what MMA experience did Bruce Lee have? I think you are overestimating his capabilities. While he was dabbling with BJJ and grappling a bit towards the end of his life he was mostly just a kung fu guy.

He invented an entire style of martial arts and understood body mechanics better than any of his contemporaries. Had he been alive in the MMA era I have no doubt he would have picked up those techniques as well.

Relentless 02-05-2015 09:24 AM

When it's 200 vs 130, 130 loses... Unfortunately for Tyson, his elbow or knee or neck don't weigh 200. In fact they each weigh a lot less than 20. And when it's 130 vs 20... 20 snaps and spends 8 weeks in a cast after surgery.

The Porn Nerd 02-05-2015 10:29 AM

FIDDY mismatches.

Bruce Lee for the Win!

bushwacker 02-05-2015 12:32 PM

This thread is chuckle worthy. :thumbsup

Magnetron 02-05-2015 12:52 PM

__________
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Originally Posted by Bruce Lee
Go Fuk Yourself


Mickey_ 02-05-2015 12:59 PM

http://i.imgur.com/vVsI0Au.jpg

Bruce Lee gets my vote.:pimp

scarlettcontent 02-05-2015 01:01 PM

I repeat Bruce Lee would win hands down :thumbsup

Double trouble 02-05-2015 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by AVN Theo (Post 20381812)
Mike Tyson

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Originally Posted by BaltimorX (Post 20381887)
Mike Tyson :thumbsup

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Originally Posted by Way3 (Post 20381967)
Tyson for the win!!!

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-GZObdI7nN5.../bruce-lee.gif

TheSquealer 02-05-2015 01:25 PM

Bruce lee would win..... because..... Uhm..... Enter The Dragon was a cool movie ?Do you have secret footage of him fighting 230 fights and winning that no one has seen? Or because his basic silly demonstrations of his "one inch punch" we're cool, though completely ignoring the immutable laws of physics where force = mass*acceleration and where both mass and acceleration are clearly absent in his technique.

Again... force = mass * acceleration. Mike Tyspn had unreal hand speed for his size which is why he had so many knockouts.

Bruce Lee had..., poor acting And some good ideas.... nothing more.

As Nick said, you could only believe Bruce Lee stood a chance if you don't understand what it is to see or feel a talented heavyweight boxer hitting to kill. No one is winning Glory, Strikeforce, K1, Pride, UFC, Thai Fight etc and thanking Bruce Lee for his one inch punch. He gets praise for standing up and openly saying that most of what Chinese styles are based around is silly and impractical and ineffective. That fact however, does not make him a talented fighter. It just makes him pragmatic. He is often referred to as "The Father of MMA" for his practical theories and thinking, not because of his abilities.

How many pro MMA fighters ever studied Jeet Kun Do? 1? 2? Maybe. What does that tell you?

Also people really don't get that moving quick on camera in choreographed routines - though sometimes impressive, does not translate into great fighting ability. Using speed for the camera is not the same as using speed AND power for devastating strikes.

TheSquealer 02-05-2015 01:30 PM

It should also be said that any mediocre MMA fighter today has a big advantage over any one training any single discipline.

Pad 02-05-2015 01:30 PM

tyson would probably literally kill bruce lee in a fight

scarlettcontent 02-05-2015 01:35 PM

this thread needs a poll. someone make a pole pls

pornmasta 02-05-2015 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 20383723)
It should also be said that any mediocre MMA fighter today has a big advantage over any one training any single discipline.


Lucha libre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Sambo (martial art - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
Jujutsu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Krav Maga - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

any displine that allows (nearly) everything can be more dangerous than MMA

Anthony 02-05-2015 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by AVN Theo (Post 20381812)
Mike Tyson

Show me one record of Bruce Lee winning anything fighting outside of a movie or ChaCha Dance competition.

Tyson all day.

Anthony 02-05-2015 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by crucifissio (Post 20383113)
there are girls in my BJJ class that could probably beat bruce lee...

I would go out on a limb and say that every 200lb+ guy has a fair chance of beating bruce lee, without any knowledge of martial arts whatsoever...

a more realistic comparison would be bruce lee vs jackie chan :2 cents:

Oh come on, let's be for real. You don't have any girls in your class who can beat Bruce Lee. BJJ is good, but let's not get it twisted.

pornmasta 02-05-2015 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony (Post 20383735)
Show me one record of Bruce Lee winning anything fighting outside of a movie or ChaCha Dance competition.

Tyson all day.

Bruce Lee - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Anthony 02-05-2015 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta (Post 20383737)

What does that mean? One fight that no one knows what happened in other than Bruce Lee won against some guy you think is Mike Tyson caliber?

TheSquealer 02-05-2015 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta (Post 20383733)

I said "MMA fighter". There is no fighting style called "MMA" and since you brought it up, MMA allows pretty much everything regardless. It certainly allows anything that is actually effective and useful in a fight.

Anthony 02-05-2015 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 20383743)
I said "MMA fighter". There is no fighting style called "MMA"

Most people don't understand that. Forgive him for his ignorance.

pornmasta 02-05-2015 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 20383743)
I said "MMA fighter". There is no fighting style called "MMA" and since you brought it up, MMA allows pretty much everything regardless. It certainly allows anything that is actually effective and useful in a fight.

"any single discipline":

so sambo, krav maga, jujutsu and lucha libre.

czarina 02-05-2015 01:52 PM

Bruce Lee all the way

TheSquealer 02-05-2015 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony (Post 20383746)
Most people don't understand that. Forgive him for his ignorance.

It's an amusing conversation to me. "Who would win..., the non fighter.... Or the incredible heavyweight pro with decades of world class experiment and world titles?"

Funny that question could even be asked with a straight face

pornmasta 02-05-2015 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 20383743)
I said "MMA fighter". There is no fighting style called "MMA" and since you brought it up, MMA allows pretty much everything regardless. It certainly allows anything that is actually effective and useful in a fight.

do you allow elbow kick ? kick in the balls ? in the throat ?
In krav maga, the rule is to survive not to show your balls like in BJJ

czarina 02-05-2015 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 20383719)
Bruce lee would win..... because..... Uhm..... Enter The Dragon was a cool movie ?Do you have secret footage of him fighting 230 fights and winning that no one has seen? Or because his basic silly demonstrations of his "one inch punch" we're cool, though completely ignoring the immutable laws of physics where force = mass*acceleration and where both mass and acceleration are clearly absent in his technique.

Again... force = mass * acceleration. Mike Tyspn had unreal hand speed for his size which is why he had so many knockouts.

Bruce Lee had..., poor acting And some good ideas.... nothing more.

As Nick said, you could only believe Bruce Lee stood a chance if you don't understand what it is to see or feel a talented heavyweight boxer hitting to kill. No one is winning Glory, Strikeforce, K1, Pride, UFC, Thai Fight etc and thanking Bruce Lee for his one inch punch. He gets praise for standing up and openly saying that most of what Chinese styles are based around is silly and impractical and ineffective. That fact however, does not make him a talented fighter. It just makes him pragmatic. He is often referred to as "The Father of MMA" for his practical theories and thinking, not because of his abilities.

How many pro MMA fighters ever studied Jeet Kun Do? 1? 2? Maybe. What does that tell you?

Also people really don't get that moving quick on camera in choreographed routines - though sometimes impressive, does not translate into great fighting ability. Using speed for the camera is not the same as using speed AND power for devastating strikes.

The reason he would win is because Tyson would never land a hit on him. He was too fast, too nimble. And he could hit too, so while Tyson would be trying to get to him, he'd be able to land a few kicks.
Now, if Tyson would manage to hit him, Bruce Lee would go down, simply because of physics.

TheSquealer 02-05-2015 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta (Post 20383750)
"any single discipline":

so sambo, krav maga, jujutsu and lucha libre.

Meaning the average MMA fighter has effective boxing, good footwork, good kicks and good wrestling/take down defense and submissions. No single discipline has all that which is why MMA fighter train several styles at once and usually have a prior background in something else before starting a fight career.

Again... Krav Maga is straight idiocy. No pro fighter talks about how their Krav Maga training helped them unless it was about mental toughness. Sambo is wrestling. Any Medicare MMA fighter can defend take downs. John Jones is a jujitsu white belt that took Cormier down 5 times (an Olympic wrestler) and stuffed every attempt.

TheSquealer 02-05-2015 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta (Post 20383755)
do you allow elbow kick ? kick in the balls ? in the throat ?
In krav maga, the rule is to survive not to show your balls like in BJJ

All goofy, impractical and ineffective fighting styles have those arguments. Only a non fighter would make them. Good luck trying to elbow Or kick to the balls someone who trains Muay Thai and is wearing a cup (not that you'd land the kick without getting punched anyway)

pornmasta 02-05-2015 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 20383761)
Sambo is wrestling.

no, it is not: they use what is effective.

TheSquealer 02-05-2015 02:01 PM

I have always said "the person who has the advantage is the person who has thrown the most techniques and had the most thrown at him in actual fighting" the style is irrelevant. You guys compare a real fighter to an actor.

Anthony 02-05-2015 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 20383764)
All goofy, impractical and ineffective fighting styles have those arguments. Only a non fighter would make them. Good luck trying to elbow Or kick to the balls someone who trains Muay Thai and is wearing a cup (not that you'd land the kick without getting punched anyway)

Krav Maga is another example of RBSD Reality Based Self Defense. Looks really good in training, but zero application in the real world where the bad guy does not throw a punch here so you can throw an elbow kick there.

TheSquealer 02-05-2015 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by pornmasta (Post 20383766)
no, it is not: they use what is effective.

As someone who has spent his fair share time in Russia training martial arts.... Uhm yeah, it is. The military version is just a little more aggressive with locks and breaks. Oleg Taktarov in the early UFC days was straight sambo. His fights were always the same... A boring turd, laying on top of another boring turd (like severin)

Anthony 02-05-2015 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by czarina (Post 20383758)
The reason he would win is because Tyson would never land a hit on him. He was too fast, too nimble. And he could hit too, so while Tyson would be trying to get to him, he'd be able to land a few kicks.

Now, if Tyson would manage to hit him, Bruce Lee would go down, simply because of physics.

And you base this on what? His movies? Where it was choreographed fighting?

Have you ever seen Mike Tyson fight? He was smaller than all his opponents, and you haven't seen fast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2rpfX7Gi6Y

pornmasta 02-05-2015 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer (Post 20383764)
All goofy, impractical and ineffective fighting styles have those arguments. Only a non fighter would make them. Good luck trying to elbow Or kick to the balls someone who trains Muay Thai and is wearing a cup (not that you'd land the kick without getting punched anyway)

You know i have nearly no experience in fighting, it is just that once i fighted some bjj fighter... (with any real experience in fighting) and he showed me his neck.. nuff said...
Oh yes, he won the fight... i was disqualified because i manipulated chilies 3 hours ago for my lunch... cry my a river...
So no bjj for me...


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