Ok I'll bite, so it's the same old repertoire of sermonic demagogy, what have we had so far:


if you don't like weed (or "hate" as some like to stress the "we're oppressed and misunderstood" factor) then:

- you are not educated enough to understand it, in fact a pot educated person is superior to a pot uneducated person (amazing argument, that's a peak of education, to be able to babble about pros and cons of weed for hours, days and years)

- you are brainwashed by an illuminati agenda that keeps the miracle herb from masses (so those people can't find the real meaning of life - getting stoned, how easy it is)

- you are not the right person to smoke it so you can't understand how amazing it is (also a heavy argument, make sure you look up to your superior drug users, those that were chosen to experience the life after weed)

- it's not a drug because you can find it in nature (yes that's an amazing argument, the same way as you can't get poisoned by a snakebite, it's not a poison because you can find it in nature)

- people smoking weed are amazingly intelligent, creative and successful (yes, the same way as we once recorded a song with our garage band while high and thought it's the next best thing since Jimi Hendrix's Woodstock improvisation, until we sobered up)

- it is in no way addictive (look at anybody stressing this and in 99,5 pct. of cases he'll smell after weed and you'll find that they smoke it daily)

- stoners are fun to be around (as long as you're stoned also, otherwise you may feel like hitting them with a rock)

- marijuana won't kill anyone (drinking piss will neither, yet that still doesn't make it any more sensible)

Have I left anything out?



Then we, eventually come to one principal question, you like weed, we get it, so....

Why would anybody in their right mind feel the utter need to fight for and explain their drug use over and over and over and over again?

Nobody cares, do whatever you want in private, hell you can smoke horseshit if you want to! But don't be coming to boards and pubs and I don't know where and advocate smoking horseshit as the next big thing and how amazing expanding, healthy and harmless that is.

That those that can't smoke horseshit or don't know it's full history and illuminati agenda behind it can't understand how oppressed yet expanded the horseshit smokers are, and how anyone not smoking horseshit is just somewhat inferior to a true horseshit smoker, because the horseshit smokers figured it all out already.


Seriously - I wonder, is a typical, chronical weed smoker secretly ashamed of his drug use? therefore the never ending justification and "argumentation"?

Do they really need to justify their drug use at any given opportunity?

I'm in no way against one's right for recreational marijuana use and trust that the government shouldn't be criminalizing it. I am, however, easily annoyed by the very demagogic and extremely overplayed, borderline psychotic, quite laughable and most importantly absolutely unasked for "arguments" as illustrated above. I suspect I'm not the only one.

Actually, I have known many people who suddenly and mysteriously turn into an "angry drunk" and get aggressive when they drink. Alcohol can do that to people. Now can a joint calm down a violent criminal? Would be interesting test. LOL Tho I will not volunteer to administer it. LOL But I suspect not, since if someone is so chemically-unbalanced in the first place weed would probably enhance his violent nature.


Take a puff dude and chill out. :stoned This thread was inspired by the Washington DC/Congressional announcements from today. So yeah, plenty of people argue this point and, in this country (the USA) state-by-state people are debating it on a daily basis.

WHY is that? Is it because the majority of people understand marijuana should be legalized? This is certainly, undoubtedly, and unarguably the trend.

Yet the Haters continue to hate. If the Right Wingers and clueless judgemental fucks would leave us pot smokers alone then there would be no need for ANY discussion. But they cannot "leave us alone", instead fighting every attempt at legalization and I would like to know why.

Capiche?

Only drugs I've ever done were weed and X, weed just puts me to sleep, did like X but that was back when I was clubbing and shit which would be a rare occurrence these days. So as of today I drink beer, vodka and smoke cigs. Don't give a shit what anyone else does though. :2 cents:

^^^ Truth

Sex Ed did wonders getting the girls to loosen up :thumbsup

Many forms of marijuana contain ZERO THC and do not make you high at all but are terrific treatments for horrible illnesses. If you haven't seen the TED talk about Charlotte's web marijuana click this link and watch the video for 15 minutes. It may change your entire view on legal marihuana. :2 cents:

We like to think cannabis is less harmful because it is a plant that is consumed in it's natural form. On one hand, plants can be poisonous. On the other hand alcohol is poison.



I think that's the stoner argument. More natural and less processed than other drugs like sugar. Not as toxic or impairing as alcohol. Why is one buzz banned and not the other?

My mom's doctor suggested she try medical pot for her pain. She has serious arthritis and lack of cartilage in her knees so she has a lot of pain. She is 75 years old so a knee replacement might not be the best option. She has pain meds, but they all have nasty side effects of some form. Her doctor suggested she give it a shot. It might help her with the pain and not have the bad side effects.

More proof that size doesn't matter, it's all about the weed.

:1orglaugh

I really miss doing coke .......

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Has wehateporn responded yet? Pretty sure he would have some input on this one...and ironically he may be right on this one :-/

So you use marijuana and you have never met a classic burnout? It tends to dull a persons ambition. And if overused the people can becomea bit zombied.

he is probably on a mission

Livers rejuvenate.

Brain cells...not so much.

I don't miss the dent it made in the wallet.

Talk about a gateway drug! Gateway into all da clubs and ho's...LOL

Actually, a close childhood friend was exactly that way, total burnout. I had to cut his loser ass out of my life after knowing him thirty years cause he was exactly as you put it. Really sad. I have no idea if he ever got his shit together, I last saw him over ten years ago.

But these are extreme cases, and any drug or addiction can lead to these types of examples. It's always easy to go to the worst case scenario. But I am not advocating we go back to Prohibition and ban alcohol simply because it makes some people assholes and has an inherant tendency to do so.

So there must be a 'higher agenda' at work here to keep marijuana so demonized and for so many to still hate it.

No, Sir, you are not the only one. There are so many johnny-one-notes who OCD over marijuana and think it cures spinal deformities and should be the exclusive diet of infants and is the way to connect to god and a fuel for rocket ships, etc. It is one of many plants that produce an effect on the brain. Anecdotally, every long time user I've ever seen who makes marijuana a regular part of every day and goes to it as "stress relief" does actually seem subtly impaired, like early alzheimers, or a confused exiled gnome. You used to get that with alcohol "In Vinum Veritas" and shit like that, but not so much anymore.

Still, smoke if you wish, drink if you wish, just don't invade anyone's space with it.

Lots of people who smoke weed shoot guns /endthread

I have seen marijuana calm down a violent criminal.

He was baked, smiling, laughing, happy and we had a good chat about all sorts of things.

The times before I met this individual, not stoned, he was the type to always be bragging about his violent exploits, what a tough man he was, life in jail. Earlier in life, somebody tried to rob this man, and after defending himself, chased them down several blocks and beat the other man to death, until his brain fell out of his head infact.

I've also witnessed that individual on alcohol, and another occasion on meth. Speaking from experience, I know which drugs I'd rather see "freely available" and it sure ain't booze or meth.

:2 cents:

No prizes for guessing what drugs said individual was on ^ when he committed that murder.

In my own experience, I've never seen a person become violent from marijuana, but I sure have seen it a lot with alcohol, and we all know how meth effects people after not very long...

I used to smoke weed but I cant stand it any more. It makes people lazy as fuck and skitzo's.

Don't care for second hand smoking of any kind: cigarettes, marijuana, beach bonfires and fire pits, etc.

I hear you on that one, tho secondhand marijuana smoke is not the same as with cigarettes or cigars and I like its' sweet smell. But you have a good point, which is why I think e-cigs and the new vape pens are becoming so popular.

With the new vape pens what you are 'burning' (really just heating up a little) is cannabis oil, and while you can inhale it the best way to use it is like a cigar (no inhaling). It's oil so is best absorbed in the mouth. Then you exhale....vapor! No secondhand smoke, barely any smell. Just perfect for out 'n about, too. :)

That happens with over use of any drug.

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There may be something to this weed thing...

Psychotropics have been good for society since the invention of religion...:winkwink:

:thumbsup

So... let me get this straight... you say there are people that hate marijuana? How is that even possible?

I am going to have to go listen to some jazz and think about defiling dem white womuns and intelsexualshize dis concept...

:1orglaugh and the reason you think pot destroys braincells is the 'tests' they did on two poor monkeys that had over 200 times the psychoactive dose humans would have taken. At 100 times the psychoactive dose, still no brain damage. they literally just kept upping the doses until they discovered brain damage. nice eh?

but hey, at least you don't believe you have brain damage, have an ability for critical thinking, and question every piece of bullshit that is fed to you via proverbial spoon.

but, canadian camaraderie aside, here is another study that does state there was an 8 point iq drop:

Marcus: If teens use marijuana 'regularly,' they drop 8 IQ points | PunditFact

but 'regularly' is something like 4+ times a week, before you are 18, and would need to smoke like this till you're 39. Then, you get into the fact of whether IQ does measure intelligence, and further into the fact that you are basically an idiot anyway if you're dependant on something for over 20 years.

but, to discuss booze just damaging liver, that's not entirely accurate:

Ethanol (Alcohol) Metabolism: Acute and Chronic Toxicities

'the body?s digestive process creates metabolites such as acetaldehyde and other ?reactive oxygen species? which are toxic to the brain and other cells in the body. This is why you have a hangover, after drinking large quantities of alcohol.'

so..

It is a logic question. There are items that are "natural" that can helpful, and "natural" items that can be harmful. So it is not a plus or a negative but a characteristic. So to a person who has looked at that logically, it is like you are screaming, "And it is green!" There are things that are green that are helpful and/or harmful. Being green does not denote a positive or negative slant. It just is.

Then "it grows everywhere" is the same for me.
A) I had to think about but I realize it doesn't grow everywhere.
B) Lots of plants have the grow range of this plant. It is not that special in this regard.
c) Being that it is hardy doesn't make it better for me in anyway.

I think the big knock on the health angle is that most/lots of people burn it. Particulate in the lungs is proven to be bad over the long term.

I haven't seen anyone to turn mysteriously violent. Everyone who I have seen to get violent as drunk, have violent tendencies anyways. They just handle their tendencies better when not drunk.

i used to smoke chronically and stopped for whatever reason. funny from the outside looking in seems like pretty much all chronic pot smokers have some kind of interior rage and anger issues they are self medicating. they are not naturally mellow but continually deferring and sublimating some deep painful frustration and wound. not judging, just something i have observed. i guess that's why pretty much all chronics see alcohol users as violent and rage filled. textbook projection.

My take on the matter is, propaganda and misinformation over a couple of decades swayed public opinion on a number of things... marijuana being one of them.

My opinion is that the pharmaceutical industry would rather get on you on costly painkillers to deal with pain, then grow a solution yourself. Someone recently mentioned the cotton industry doesn't want hemp clothing to become popular due to competition. I don't know enough about that, but they are both for the same reasons: MONEY.

I'm a big advocate for allowing people to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't affect others. Whenever someone tells me weed should be illegal, I ask them why not tobacco as well?

The money to be made from legalizing recreational drugs... it's enough reason IMO. They tax booze and cigarettes like crazy, why not pot as well?

Fuck, you're retarded. You're the perfect example of what weed does to the brain.

Yeay, pot totally doesn't make you slow and stupid.

Nothing gets more retarded than stoners defending their magic plant from god.

Let me explain you something. Most people don't have a problem with weed. They have a problem with idiot stoners like you.

The reason people use that gateway drug argument, as far as I've been able to take a guess at anyway, is that pretty much everyone who does other, possibly more harmful drugs, started with pot/weed (was the case for me, and literally all those of my friends who did/do drugs - none of us stopped at only smoking).

So basically another instance where all buses are red, but not all red things are buses. Hence the correct statement that it's a gateway drug, insofar as the majority of users start with that rather than take heroin/meth/smack/charlie as a 1st drug, and most likely wouldn't have taken those others if they hadn't started with pot/weed. People get confused though imo, misinterpreting "it's a gateway drug" as "if you smoke you WILL end up doping other drugs", so because of the 2 different interpretations depending on your perception of it, neither 'side' can understand where the hell the others' viewpoint is coming from.

Just my theory on that particular facet of the whole thing :)

Lol. ok then....

It won't be long before the gig is up.

To all the non smokers or people that smoked back in the day or people that always just got shitty weed, not all strains are the same.

So that stereotypical lazy stoner is most likely smoking swag or indica heavy weed (and well probably too much of it). The beauty of going somewhere that has it legal for sale like Amsterdam or denver or etc is you can buy specific strains and do specific dosages depending on what you are doing.

You will not be lazy at all off a few hits of good 100% sativa and a couple cups of coffee aka the classic hippie speedball.

Anyway, it just should be treated the same as alcohol. Taxed and regulated. Even heh though alcohol will kill you and weed won't

most haters have never tried using the stuff others are just brainwashed sheeple. don't knock it until you have tried it :)